Theories on what happened to Haleigh

[doogiesgirl]

after listening to this video

I do not think ronald knows anything, this video made me cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIJOgHjRTDo

I couldn't even listen to that coz it tears me up. I know I'd be a wilted mess if that was my child. I know some people think he doesn't ring true but to me he does. moo

 

[Beyond Belief]

Any septic tank work done in the area recently? Could LE have dismissed disturbed ground due to a septic tank being worked on? That rumour of shovel near the "lean to" has me suspicious that she's in that area somewhere. I think septic tanks should be checked.

 

[NRN]

The real implications of this call for me re theory are related to the fact dad has gf make the call in the first place. But I had to allow it might be due to dad's state of mind (enraged) thus clearly having hard time providing info calmly; or blaming gf therefore insisting gf be one to report; and/or tho she lacked even some of the basic vital info he may have anticipated since gf was the one home (theoretically) that nite, she would be better prepared to answer other questions re circumstances leading up to Haleigh's disappearance. So not sure this is red flag I initially thought it was. JMO

arrot:

I can't understand why he would stay INSIDE the trailer, cussing and ranting about killing whoever took his daughter. Why wouldn't he tell Misty to call 911, then be out the door, yelling her name, in the hopes that Haleigh would answer or that whoever had her would get scared and drop her & run? Yelling her name loudly would pro'ly also wake up some neighbors (and their dogs) and get more people coming out to look.

Or jump back in his car & tear off down the most likely road, honking horn, trying to frighten the abductor into dropping her, or trying to catch a glimpse of a suspicious vehicle, a license plate, something?!

Staying inside is just VERY suspicious to me. Ron seems like a "man of action" not the type to be scared that someone out there in the dark would "get" him, so WHY stay inside?

Would any of you stay inside ranting if your child was gone from her bed and the door was standing open ?

Where would you be when LE arrived?

 

[not_my_kids]

Great Grandma seen her and Rj eating on porch at 7 pm. She stopped by to drop some stuff off for the kids. Someone else (family) was there around 5:30

But if you listen to what the great grandmother says, that story changes too. First she says that she was there, and then on an NG interview, she says that she "had people there, dropping off some clothes." I have to go find the link, but I do recall that. If anyone else remembers this or can find me alink, I would appreciate it, but I'll be looking too.

 

[Aries72]

Just thinking outloud about the whole mother thing with Misty...IF she feels "like a mother to them" then why the he77 didn't she call 9-11 ASAP instead of waiting? There's an interview where someone asks her what she was doing in between the time that she discovered that Haleigh wasn't in her bed until Ron got home...Misty replied by saying something like "I was looking all over for her". OK...say she got up at 3 am or even 3:15...it would not take 15-30 mins to figure out that the child isn't anywhere around...especially in a mobile home. Think about it...if you're frantically looking for a child, it would take mere minutes, even seconds...to look in the house then go outside and yell for her then you'd call 9-11...heck I'd be on the phone with 9-11 WHILE I was searching.

 

[suzet]

But if you listen to what the great grandmother says, that story changes too. First she says that she was there, and then on an NG interview, she says that she "had people there, dropping off some clothes." I have to go find the link, but I do recall that. If anyone else remembers this or can find me alink, I would appreciate it, but I'll be looking too.

You're right. I remember it. GGrandma said she had people there. Now she says she was there? Can anyone in that family give one single straight answer and stick to it?

 

[kiki the parrot]

I can't understand why he would stay INSIDE the trailer, cussing and ranting about killing whoever took his daughter. Why wouldn't he tell Misty to call 911, then be out the door, yelling her name, in the hopes that Haleigh would answer or that whoever had her would get scared and drop her & run? Yelling her name loudly would pro'ly also wake up some neighbors (and their dogs) and get more people coming out to look.

Or jump back in his car & tear off down the most likely road, honking horn, trying to frighten the abductor into dropping her, or trying to catch a glimpse of a suspicious vehicle, a license plate, something?!

Staying inside is just VERY suspicious to me. Ron seems like a "man of action" not the type to be scared that someone out there in the dark would "get" him, so WHY stay inside?

Would any of you stay inside ranting if your child was gone from her bed and the door was standing open ?

Where would you be when LE arrived?

Yes have discussed, expressing similar disbelief that they would not be out, first gf and then dad, heard yelling into the night (as I said waking up every neighbor w/in earshot--was corrected when I said this, and informed one of the two ? did go out and could be overheard?) It is the gf who initially fails to respond in an appropriate manner IMO, not calling dad for nearly half an hour. The way she tells it, dad is essentially there before she actually calls LE. This is her version, I realize, but that lapse in time is at least as troubling to me. Maybe she felt initially she should stay w Jr (even tho personally I'd so be grabbin him and gettin the h#[[ outa there, bangin on doors until dad or LE got there). Gf doesn't place 911 call til dad's pulling in almost simultaneously--so what's his excuse? Dad doesn't want to leave younger child there w gf? Even after LE arrives, only factors that make this remotely understandable on dad's part are this, and LE gathering info from either or both. But neither making call nor venturing out struck me as odd too. JMO

arrot:

 

[secret_agent_mom]

One theory: Ron or Misty or both, owed big drug money & had no way to pay. It was either forfeit their own life (lives) or give up the little girl to satisfy the debt. They can't implicate the drug thugs (incur their wrath plus incriminate themselves) & so staged the abduction to explain the disappearance.

Are there really instances of this happening? I mean reported instances...and not just supposition. I read this a a theory with the "other" case. I find it very hard to believe that a drug dealer would take a child as payment. How exactly does that help the drug dealer? Maybe I have only known of the "petty" drug dealers, but the last thing they want is a kid. I mean, geez, they aren't looking to make a family...they want the cash. And - they definately don't want to be toting a kidnapped kid around while they are dealing!

I'll get off my soapbox now. This has just really been bugging me...

 

[secret_agent_mom]

I couldn't even listen to that coz it tears me up. I know I'd be a wilted mess if that was my child. I know some people think he doesn't ring true but to me he does. moo

Did anyone notice that RC says "I would give my life to have my child's life back"?

He also says that his gf got up to go to the bathroom, but in the police report MC said she got up to get a drink, went to the kitchen and saw the back door open.

I don't want to think he is involved. It is clear he loves his children...but inconsistencies like this make my hinky meter go off.

 

[lonetraveler]

I thought it was weird that she did not correct the operator that she and Ron are not married, that Haleigh is not her biological child. That seems to be pretty important info to state up-front IMO. As far as we know, they are not married (that is a crazy thought!) She continues with the "husband" and "wife" titles throughout the call and acts as though Haleigh is her child. Very odd.

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Or maybe RC was roaring in her face to call 911 and tell them his daughter is missing. Intellectually challenged as she appears to be, she told the 911 operator just that, her daughter was missing. Or, maybe time was too critical to try to explain to the 911 operator what their lifestyle was, and got to the important thing, that a little girl was missing. Who knows, I don't really think that their alternate lifestyle is important to this case, though. What I do think is extremely important is that Misty needs to tell the actual truth and stick to it. To me at least, she is holding back the truth because she is afraid of RC and his family and in general what everyone else will think of her. Fright can really affect young people who don't have the intelligence to figure out that the truth is more important than how they are portrayed. She holds the answer, IMO.

 

[yosande]

Yes have discussed, expressing similar disbelief that they would not be out, first gf and then dad, heard yelling into the night (as I said waking up every neighbor w/in earshot--was corrected when I said this, and informed one of the two ? did go out and could be overheard?) It is the gf who initially fails to respond in an appropriate manner IMO, not calling dad for nearly half an hour. The way she tells it, dad is essentially there before she actually calls LE. This is her version, I realize, but that lapse in time is at least as troubling to me. Maybe she felt initially she should stay w Jr (even tho personally I'd so be grabbin him and gettin the h#[[ outa there, bangin on doors until dad or LE got there). Gf doesn't place 911 call til dad's pulling in almost simultaneously--so what's his excuse? Dad doesn't want to leave younger child there w gf? Even after LE arrives, only factors that make this remotely understandable on dad's part are this, and LE gathering info from either or both. But neither making call nor venturing out struck me as odd too. JMO

arrot:

Even though it has been said, I think by Ron, that Misty called him, I don't think she had a phone. I say this because he took the phone from her and hung up on 911 operator. The operator calls him back and asks to talk to his wife.
Misty never uses any phone other than Ron's and to this day I have not seen her with a cell phone in her hand, which I find totally weird. jmo

 

[Kat]

GRRRR, I still can't come up with a theory that I'm comfortable with in saying to myself "yes, I believe that is what might have happened".

LE is just being too tight lipped. The only part of a theory that I have is that Haleigh is missing, and I theorize that she is no longer alive. That's the bulk of it so far.

 

[LFlorida]

One of the Jax news outlets, probably WJXT, maybe WTLV, had raw uncut video of Ron & his mom's interview from the first day Haleigh was missing. [Or maybe 2nd day.]

Toward the end of the interview, Ron's cell phone starts ringing. He doesn't even glance down at it to see who's calling, and Teresa [his mom], who was kneeling alongside him, doesn't say anything to him about it either.

Scott Peterson-like moment in my mind. [See his interview w/Diane Sawyer where exact same thing happened. Media was all over him for it.]

And why did he say from the very first phone call that she [Misty] let someone come in and steal Haleigh? He is a control freak, surely one of his first suspicions would have been that Misty didn't follow his rules.

Something just ain't right.

 

[LancelotLink]

One of the Jax news outlets, probably WJXT, maybe WTLV, had raw uncut video of Ron & his mom's interview from the first day Haleigh was missing. [Or maybe 2nd day.]

Toward the end of the interview, Ron's cell phone starts ringing. He doesn't even glance down at it to see who's calling, and Teresa [his mom], who was kneeling alongside him, doesn't say anything to him about it either.

Scott Peterson-like moment in my mind. [See his interview w/Diane Sawyer where exact same thing happened. Media was all over him for it.]

And why did he say from the very first phone call that she [Misty] let someone come in and steal Haleigh? He is a control freak, surely one of his first suspicions would have been that Misty didn't follow his rules.

Something just ain't right.

I noticed this as well. The photog even zoomed in on the phone. He /she was probably wondering why he didn't answer it immediately as well. Maybe he was trying to hide his scuffed and bloodied hand? I wish one of the reporters had asked, "Ron, you want to get that, buddy?"

 

[Reannan]

I do not believe Misty's story (or stories). She is in fact, a very bad liar! I mean come on! You don't tell LE that you were in bed with a child that goes missing, and then change the story to say that you were in a different bed, but in the same room. That is a HUGE lie! On the other hand, she is only 17 years old, and obviously without sound judgement because she is living with a 25 year old guy with two kids! She tells LE that Haleigh was wearing a pink shirt....yet finds the pink shirt in the dirty laundry a few days latter - and turns it over to LE! THAT part of it sounds too stupid to be a lie to me. I think Misty was gone from that home, returned and found Haleigh gone, and in her panic, she has been making up stories ever since to cover for her negligent act of leaving the children alone. JMHO.

 

[LFlorida]

I noticed this as well. The photog even zoomed in on the phone. He /she was probably wondering why he didn't answer it immediately as well. Maybe he was trying to hide his scuffed and bloodied hand? I wish one of the reporters had asked, "Ron, you want to get that, buddy?"

Yes! I would love to interview the camera guy and/or interviewer and ask how long it took for him to check the phone, if ever.

Maybe he has special ringtones for certain callers; I don't know too much about that kind of stuff.

Still, NG, GR, et al, are willing to jump all over other non-things, why not this? [And if it was WJXT, they are the local CNN affiliated tv station.]

 

[djk]

my theory is not very many, if any, of the principles in this case really cared at all about Haleigh before she went missing. and that is why she is missing. if there had been such an outpouring of love and concern for Haleigh before she went missing there would have been no need for a minor child to be the main protector of Haleigh between the hours of 3pm and 3am, or as the minor child likes to say on TV "24/7". Pretty much the whole family looks like a bunch of druggies or alcoholics that are right now hurting very badly cause they have lost the ability to be zoned out on a daily basis. My theory is it was NEGLECT that caused this. And they are ALL GUILTY.

 

[Indigo]

I posted this on another thread, hope it's alright to post the thought again. DH and I just did an experiment. I asked him to put his hands on my neck as if he were going to choke me and I put my fingernails where they would be if I were trying to fend off an attack. My middle fingernail fell directly on the cuticle of his thumb, and had I actually scratched him, it would have produced a crescent/round shaped mark. Very similar to what you see in this video at 5:22:

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

 

[LFlorida]

Sorry if I'm repeating someone else, but I missed it earlier:

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/me...ousin_not_a_suspect_in_haleighs_disappearance

 

[AuburnJenn]

She holds the answer, IMO.

ITA. Misty is the key to solving this puzzle. But I don't know what, if anything, is going to break her. I also wonder - how easy it would be for her to just up and leave town? She has moved around a lot in her life, is there anything legally keeping her from skipping out?