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She insists she did not touch the door.
Theories on what happened to Haleigh
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Yeah, I think she's lying about that because she's scared of RC. I hope LE hasn't dismissed that possibility. I hope they've at least thought of it!
Just saw this video of a doctor explaining brain injuries and how hours after injury death can occur. This video is a discussion of brain injuries and how it can lead to death. They are specifically discussing Natasha Richardson, but the info contained in it fits really nicely with my previously posted theories about the possibility Ron could be responsible.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/29752140#29752140
since I had theorized that Ron need not have been home to have been responsible for Haleigh's death (to refute the "I was at work" defense), just thought I'd post this as it is very interesting and the Dr. really gives some valuable information.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/29752140#29752140
since I had theorized that Ron need not have been home to have been responsible for Haleigh's death (to refute the "I was at work" defense), just thought I'd post this as it is very interesting and the Dr. really gives some valuable information.
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I have been an avid reader of this forum for a long time. I have been disappointed in the argumentative posts of members as to the history and economic status of all the players in this case and have been intimidated until now to become a member and post. I feel this on all fronts has defiantly effected the purpose of the well intended to contribute in this search for this little one that is not where she is supposed to be at this very moment . I feel the talents of many are needed to bring to light the truth of this case and hope that others feel this way also.
These sad cases of missing children have been well researched in the attempt to learn from what Law Enforcement unfortunately have had to learn. The forensic science of the investigation has become an art with many missing and abducted cases solved in a short time.
It became clear to me with the help of all the hard work done on this site that this was not a random crime nor was it committed by a stranger. The truth is most abductions are family abductions.
My opinion is Law Enforcement would defiantly remain tip lipped if they believed that Haleigh is still alive and or they believe a family member is involved. We all would like to believe that a non family member had a hand in this but the evidence just doesn't support that theory. It is a family member! Who in this family would have a motive? This is my heart felt opinion and hope I am right only because it would mean Haleigh is some where right now will be coming home soon to her DADDY!
THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION !
I do not consider rumors or hearsay to form my theory but the evidence that was released by Putnam Count Sheriff dept.
EVIDENCE RELEASED
02/10/09 911 call 3:27 am
02/10/09 police report 3:50 am
1.) No forced entry.
2.) Back door open and screen door propped with cinder block.
3.) Light on in kitchen.
4.) Foot print on wooden path going towards pond.
5.) The lean to, stick chair, shovel and rope found in woods close by.
5.) Haleigh’s night shirt was later found in laundry pile after Misty is asked to find
Haleigh’s clothes she wore that day to school.
6.) Something was discovered missing of Haleigh’s after trailer is released to family.
MY OPINION ON THE EVIDENCE
The fact that there is no forced entry rules out stranger automatically to me. We have not heard mention the front door being locked nor the front door to the screen porch but can assume that defiantly would have been mentioned and picked apart by now. So it still leads me to believe someone close.
The propping of the screen door was planned. It indicates to me they had intentions to get in and out but also they where planning on getting back in and out with Jr. I don't see any other reasoning because they were not afraid to turn on a light. We have been told that Misty was in the big bed with Jr. and I am assuming she was on the outside and Jr. was on the inside near the wall and that is why they were not able to take Jr.
The light on in the kitchen. My opinion is who ever this person was they knew Haleigh but not exactly the layout of the trailer. This person may have known that Haleigh is scared of the dark. Obviously she was not scared of who woke her and removed her from her bed.
The Hanna Montana shirt that Haleigh wore to bed was said to be found at the bottom of the dirty clothes pile on the floor in front of back door and washer machine. We know it was very cool that night I believe 40 something and Haleigh’s shirt was removed probably to leave behind any type of evidence that later can be identified. I am assuming she was dressed in something warmer and they forgot the shoes which is so normal for us southerners.
Child's foot print was found directly on scent trail from back door so I believe it is a vital clue that connects to the crime. It tells me that it is someone who cares about Haleigh. Haleigh is not scared enough to run nor scream. She must be awake and conscious to stand.
That something missing is anyone’s guess at this time. It defiantly would reinforce someone who cares has Haleigh and is taking good care of her for the moment.
The lean-to, chair, shovel & rope I believe was staged.
EVENTS THAT HAVE GIVEN ME CONCERN
It has been stated by many and CS her self she was notified at 3:40am by TN, RC’s mother that Haleigh was missing. It was reported she did not call her father till 5am and that CS did not show till mid morning.
CS and her family have been slinging mud instead of being productive and positive in appreciation of all those that are there for that purpose, the search for Haleigh. CS put Jr. on TV with no fear of him being in danger for being able to identify abductor.
“To catch a mouse , you have to lay the bait and set the trap.”
DOGS AND THE DUMPSTER
My personal opinion is the use of the dogs, dumpster and the media was to observe the reactions of family members. Cs was interviewed and her response was odd, she said she had no knowledge of the search with Dogs in progress yards away nor that they had hit on a dumpster and that it could possible be linked to this abduction. She was not concerned and only asked over her shoulder to others in her camp "Where are the dumpsters?”......ODD!!!!! No mother would act so indifferent with that information if she didn't know where Haleigh was.
THE MARIAGE ANNOUNCEMENT
My personal opinion is this move is to further irritate or anger CS to make a move. I found it odd CS had make-up on at presser and 29 previous days of plain Jane doesn't make any sense unless the bait was taken and she is making her move. She must still have feelings for Ron because that is a move that indicates to me she wants him to notice her after their announcement. This development is definitely a sign they would of been hoping to see and are paying close attention to along with all persons in her camp. I personally find no fault in Misty's age or stated experience to be able to keep kids. I do have some concern for the babysitter to girlfriend to live in only because of her age. I feel if he truly has feelings for misty he would of respected her (no sex) and waited for her to turn 18 and in the mean while encouraged her to return to school or get her GED. But who is to say that was not the truth of the matter before hand and all these events are what prompted the sudden marriage, but I do believe their is more to this sudden event than we know. I am sure they know that this marriage will not protect either in a court of law in regards to Haleigh’s abduction , but are asking all to focus now on Haleigh and not focus on a now legal relationship.
JUSTICE COALITION PRESSER 3/12/09
It was obvious to me the press conference had a hidden agenda.My opinion was that all agency 's involved where not there for a pat on the back but an opportunity to see and hear Ron and Crystal speak and plead for the return of Haleigh. I watched everyone of those VIPs (Justice Coalition. FBI, FDLE and Florida's State Attorney plus Putnam County Sheriff and investigators ) from behind that podium keep watch of all family and others for reactions to the various statements that were given and the parents pleas for the return of Haleigh's return. It seemed to me that RC seems very close to investigators in comparison to Crystal, him standing behind and with all those VIPs said a lot!!!
CS pleas for Haleigh reinforce my suspicion that CS still has feelings for RC because she uses the term “Mommy and Daddy”.
It surely was not for the benefit of the public eye it was planned and staged to observe the squirm of those involved that were present and to send a loud and clear unsaid statement.
YOU WONT BE ABLE TO LIE MUCH LONGER
WE ARE MANY AND WE WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO FIND THE TRUTH
Who took Haleigh?.....
My personal opinion is CS and her mother MG knows who took Haleigh and who is now hiding her .
Why?........
My personal opinion is the way Ronald went about getting the kids in his custody 2005 is probably the main reason why CS went about it this way, to get even. I feel it was her intention to take Jr. also, but was unable to take the risk and remove him from the bed where he was sleeping with MC. CS has some physiological things going on in connection with this new family and the one she and RC started. Possibly some postpartum depression that has brought certain surprised feelings to the surface in regards to her non custody of her two children with RC. I believe that the children expressing their love for MC; RC’s 17 yr. old girlfriend was the last straw on Crystals back. .
It is a fact that Crystal is behind in child support and is possible financially strained with their one income household, new baby and both having support payments due for children outside their home. To obtain custody would solve the support due and lessen their financial responsibility outside the home, but how do you do that with no money and no one who has been on your side? You prove the parent is unfit and call in back up. I believe this is where the story begins.
Please note that this is my opinion.
These sad cases of missing children have been well researched in the attempt to learn from what Law Enforcement unfortunately have had to learn. The forensic science of the investigation has become an art with many missing and abducted cases solved in a short time.
It became clear to me with the help of all the hard work done on this site that this was not a random crime nor was it committed by a stranger. The truth is most abductions are family abductions.
My opinion is Law Enforcement would defiantly remain tip lipped if they believed that Haleigh is still alive and or they believe a family member is involved. We all would like to believe that a non family member had a hand in this but the evidence just doesn't support that theory. It is a family member! Who in this family would have a motive? This is my heart felt opinion and hope I am right only because it would mean Haleigh is some where right now will be coming home soon to her DADDY!
THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION !
I do not consider rumors or hearsay to form my theory but the evidence that was released by Putnam Count Sheriff dept.
EVIDENCE RELEASED
02/10/09 911 call 3:27 am
02/10/09 police report 3:50 am
1.) No forced entry.
2.) Back door open and screen door propped with cinder block.
3.) Light on in kitchen.
4.) Foot print on wooden path going towards pond.
5.) The lean to, stick chair, shovel and rope found in woods close by.
5.) Haleigh’s night shirt was later found in laundry pile after Misty is asked to find
Haleigh’s clothes she wore that day to school.
6.) Something was discovered missing of Haleigh’s after trailer is released to family.
MY OPINION ON THE EVIDENCE
The fact that there is no forced entry rules out stranger automatically to me. We have not heard mention the front door being locked nor the front door to the screen porch but can assume that defiantly would have been mentioned and picked apart by now. So it still leads me to believe someone close.
The propping of the screen door was planned. It indicates to me they had intentions to get in and out but also they where planning on getting back in and out with Jr. I don't see any other reasoning because they were not afraid to turn on a light. We have been told that Misty was in the big bed with Jr. and I am assuming she was on the outside and Jr. was on the inside near the wall and that is why they were not able to take Jr.
The light on in the kitchen. My opinion is who ever this person was they knew Haleigh but not exactly the layout of the trailer. This person may have known that Haleigh is scared of the dark. Obviously she was not scared of who woke her and removed her from her bed.
The Hanna Montana shirt that Haleigh wore to bed was said to be found at the bottom of the dirty clothes pile on the floor in front of back door and washer machine. We know it was very cool that night I believe 40 something and Haleigh’s shirt was removed probably to leave behind any type of evidence that later can be identified. I am assuming she was dressed in something warmer and they forgot the shoes which is so normal for us southerners.
Child's foot print was found directly on scent trail from back door so I believe it is a vital clue that connects to the crime. It tells me that it is someone who cares about Haleigh. Haleigh is not scared enough to run nor scream. She must be awake and conscious to stand.
That something missing is anyone’s guess at this time. It defiantly would reinforce someone who cares has Haleigh and is taking good care of her for the moment.
The lean-to, chair, shovel & rope I believe was staged.
EVENTS THAT HAVE GIVEN ME CONCERN
It has been stated by many and CS her self she was notified at 3:40am by TN, RC’s mother that Haleigh was missing. It was reported she did not call her father till 5am and that CS did not show till mid morning.
CS and her family have been slinging mud instead of being productive and positive in appreciation of all those that are there for that purpose, the search for Haleigh. CS put Jr. on TV with no fear of him being in danger for being able to identify abductor.
“To catch a mouse , you have to lay the bait and set the trap.”
DOGS AND THE DUMPSTER
My personal opinion is the use of the dogs, dumpster and the media was to observe the reactions of family members. Cs was interviewed and her response was odd, she said she had no knowledge of the search with Dogs in progress yards away nor that they had hit on a dumpster and that it could possible be linked to this abduction. She was not concerned and only asked over her shoulder to others in her camp "Where are the dumpsters?”......ODD!!!!! No mother would act so indifferent with that information if she didn't know where Haleigh was.
THE MARIAGE ANNOUNCEMENT
My personal opinion is this move is to further irritate or anger CS to make a move. I found it odd CS had make-up on at presser and 29 previous days of plain Jane doesn't make any sense unless the bait was taken and she is making her move. She must still have feelings for Ron because that is a move that indicates to me she wants him to notice her after their announcement. This development is definitely a sign they would of been hoping to see and are paying close attention to along with all persons in her camp. I personally find no fault in Misty's age or stated experience to be able to keep kids. I do have some concern for the babysitter to girlfriend to live in only because of her age. I feel if he truly has feelings for misty he would of respected her (no sex) and waited for her to turn 18 and in the mean while encouraged her to return to school or get her GED. But who is to say that was not the truth of the matter before hand and all these events are what prompted the sudden marriage, but I do believe their is more to this sudden event than we know. I am sure they know that this marriage will not protect either in a court of law in regards to Haleigh’s abduction , but are asking all to focus now on Haleigh and not focus on a now legal relationship.
JUSTICE COALITION PRESSER 3/12/09
It was obvious to me the press conference had a hidden agenda.My opinion was that all agency 's involved where not there for a pat on the back but an opportunity to see and hear Ron and Crystal speak and plead for the return of Haleigh. I watched everyone of those VIPs (Justice Coalition. FBI, FDLE and Florida's State Attorney plus Putnam County Sheriff and investigators ) from behind that podium keep watch of all family and others for reactions to the various statements that were given and the parents pleas for the return of Haleigh's return. It seemed to me that RC seems very close to investigators in comparison to Crystal, him standing behind and with all those VIPs said a lot!!!
CS pleas for Haleigh reinforce my suspicion that CS still has feelings for RC because she uses the term “Mommy and Daddy”.
It surely was not for the benefit of the public eye it was planned and staged to observe the squirm of those involved that were present and to send a loud and clear unsaid statement.
YOU WONT BE ABLE TO LIE MUCH LONGER
WE ARE MANY AND WE WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO FIND THE TRUTH
Who took Haleigh?.....
My personal opinion is CS and her mother MG knows who took Haleigh and who is now hiding her .
Why?........
My personal opinion is the way Ronald went about getting the kids in his custody 2005 is probably the main reason why CS went about it this way, to get even. I feel it was her intention to take Jr. also, but was unable to take the risk and remove him from the bed where he was sleeping with MC. CS has some physiological things going on in connection with this new family and the one she and RC started. Possibly some postpartum depression that has brought certain surprised feelings to the surface in regards to her non custody of her two children with RC. I believe that the children expressing their love for MC; RC’s 17 yr. old girlfriend was the last straw on Crystals back. .
It is a fact that Crystal is behind in child support and is possible financially strained with their one income household, new baby and both having support payments due for children outside their home. To obtain custody would solve the support due and lessen their financial responsibility outside the home, but how do you do that with no money and no one who has been on your side? You prove the parent is unfit and call in back up. I believe this is where the story begins.
Please note that this is my opinion.
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If I may please say I do not think CS had anything to do with her daughters disappearanece.I don't think ron did either.I think it may have been some one (cousin?friend?)misty knew and maybe even let in the house.Maybe she was passed out on drugs and did not hear any one take Haleigh.This is just my opinion.
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I know its hard to believe.
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I do feel for her even though my opinion clearly implicates her.
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Maybe it was propped open so it wouldn't slam shut after the perp left with Haleigh. Pretty good video with audio on NG that pretty much demonstrated the outer door makes a good amount of noise when it shuts.
The implications of that is of course the perp would have known that door makes a lot of noise. How many and who would know that ?
Yep, puzzles me that the person would worry about the door slamming and waking someone up, but the light wouldn't?
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I have given a lot of thought to the door being propped and have ruled out all motives for its purpose but the one. When you look at the crime as a whole with all the evidence as a highlight you see consistencies in the motive that are indicated by the evidence. I hope that makes sense to all.
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Well that is quite the kicker isn't it - the light being on. Someone not afraid to turn the light on in the house while Misty and 2 children are asleep around the corner with the door open. I would think a stranger would not turn on the light and risk being caught...rather brazen.
Ron and Misty both say they didn't use the back door except to take out trash and to vacuum the car otherwise they don't use the door. So what are the chances someone propped the door open to avoid noise - seems to me not many people would know that given info from Ron and Misty. They only lived there for three weeks before this happened. There is no reason to prop it open to re-enter the house to steal a second child as their hands would be empty and they would have to hope Haleigh did not awaken where ever they put her down. Makes sense to prop it open to carry something out if one's hands are full or to keep it from slamming shut or to make it look convincing.
LE: "Misty is the key to this investigation"
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Misty is the reason not the key.
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Le is only going to tell us what they want us to hear. NOT THE THRUTH at least not yet.
Florida's Sunshine law is the probable reason we are not being told the truth in regards to who really their poi is.
Florida's Sunshine law is the probable reason we are not being told the truth in regards to who really their poi is.
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LE says she's the key.
Resp. snipped for space....
When RC 'took' the kids in 2005, 'custody' (by the courts) had not been determined.......If Crystal just up & "takes" one or both of the kids now, she's looking @ jail time, if she's caught, plus maybe losing her third child.....
I just can't see Crystal financially able to 'disappear' with 2 or 3 kids, even if Chad decides to go with her.......haven't they recently bought a house ??
Why buy a house if your planning to disappear ??
So far as a 'plan' just to gain custody, why not go ahead with the abuse charges PLUS the fact RC living with a minor ??, & could be charged w/felony.
Again, why buy a house ??......hire a PI to get the goods on RC & take him back to court.
If Crystal's involved in this, no way she'll ever gain custody, but locked up in jail I doubt she'll have to pay child support....MOO
IIRC...sunshine laws don't kick in until an arrest has been made.
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I haven't concluded that Misty is the reason - but there is definitely a possibility.
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Very true...could have happened.
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