Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody and/or Associates

[Annasmom]

Whoops, I posted the previous message and then googled Gordon and found out that he died in November 1983 in the Philly area. He is definitely not Brody. Oh well!

Before I saw your last post, I looked at the picture and thought the nose was too big to be Brody...I bet it had been broken a few times. Thanks for all your work!

 

[Annasmom]

Annasmom....

Does the fact that Brody may have been a boxer change your opinion on if he might have been able to take Anna himself? I know he was old and sick, but if this was our man, he doesnt seem weak enough to be afraid of physical confrontation.

Another side note: I wonder if Brody changed his name not because of numerology, but for another reason - in trouble with the law, avoiding the draft (although his last fight was in an armory?)..

He might also have changed his original name because he felt there was some discrimination against boxers with foreign-sounding names, and the second name change (we presume) could well have been because of the things you mention. I don't know about his taking A. himself. He didn't drive, as far as I know, and he would rarely do anything himself if he could get someone else to do it for him. I don't think he was all that sick in 1973.

 

[SherlockJr]

I heard back from the owner of the Philly Boxing website again but there was no mention of a date of birth, or date of death, for Anthony Giordano (Bobby Wolgast's real name). He did, however, send the url for two pix of Wolgast boxing, both of which we have (fighting with Villa and Genaro).

How about we e-mail the portrait picture of GB to some Giordano's to see if they recognize him? We may get lucky and find a geneologist in the their family.

 

[skywatchn]

http://www.szentesinfo.hu/mozaik/2004/exkluziv/2004-11-27_enekes-istvan-.jpg

This is my opinion only. I could use some feedback. I think our George Brody is the man pictured above. WHY?

His name is Istvan Enekes, a gold metalist in the 1932 Olympics held in Los Angeles. He was born in Budapest 02-20-1911 and is said to have died(which I doubt) 01-02-1940.

I think he entered the USA (maybe illegally) using his fellow Olympian's name of Gyorgy Brody, who was born 07-21-1908. His features do not match our George but Istvan Enekes ears and nose do.

They were both Jewish Hungarians and were inducted into the hall of fame.

GOOGLE their names for more pics and info.

 

[SherlockJr]

http://www.szentesinfo.hu/mozaik/2004/exkluziv/2004-11-27_enekes-istvan-.jpg

This is my opinion only. I could use some feedback. I think our George Brody is the man pictured above. WHY?

His name is Istvan Enekes, a gold metalist in the 1932 Olympics held in Los Angeles. He was born in Budapest 02-20-1911 and is said to have died(which I doubt) 01-02-1940.

I think he entered the USA (maybe illegally) using his fellow Olympian's name of Gyorgy Brody, who was born 07-21-1908. His features do not match our George but Istvan Enekes ears and nose do.

They were both Jewish Hungarians and were inducted into the hall of fame.

GOOGLE their names for more pics and info.

Sky, Why do you doubt his death? Do you find any articles of him entering the USA? OK, I found he came to USA for Olympics in 1932.

 

[skywatchn]

http://www.webenetics.com/hungary/images/enekes_istvan_lg.jpg

Here is a better pic one can enlarge and check facial features. I just think our George had something to hide. I guess his co Olympian died around the time Margaret Kukodo died.

Did I read that our George used a date of birth in July ?

 

[mbroemsen]

If you think Brody = Wolgast = Giordano, then you might find this post I ran across interesting...
Steve Giordano wrote: I find the Catholic church quite uncooperative in making their records available. Have you any hints? I also have an ancestor I am searching for someone else. He was member of what then was called Mafia. Most of his life is a mystery. Any hints?

GENEALOGY LADY: The Catholic church is slow to give out their records to just anyone; however, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has over time been able to receive most of the parrish records from the Catholic church and put them on micro-film. These micro-film records can be viewed at one of the many Family History Centers throughout the world, most located at Stake Centers. The family History Centers are connected to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints main Genealogical archives, which contain the most comprehensive and vast amount of organized genealogy information available in the world.
As far as the missing relative from the Mafia, there isn't much we can do with this because there are no names, dates, and places

Heres the link:
http://www.new-jerusalem.com/genealogylady/part2.html

 

[SherlockJr]

If you think Brody = Wolgast = Giordano, then you might find this post I ran across interesting...
Steve Giordano wrote: I find the Catholic church quite uncooperative in making their records available. Have you any hints? I also have an ancestor I am searching for someone else. He was member of what then was called Mafia. Most of his life is a mystery. Any hints?

Careful of his wording.... searching for someone else. That person may not be a Giordano.

 

[mbroemsen]

I know but you never know. I also thought the church records might be somewhat useful...I'm looking thru some to see if I find anything...

 

[SherlockJr]

http://www.webenetics.com/hungary/images/enekes_istvan_lg.jpg

Here is a better pic one can enlarge and check facial features. I just think our George had something to hide. I guess his co Olympian died around the time Margaret Kukodo died.

Did I read that our George used a date of birth in July ?

MB, can you manipulate, enlarge and whatever else you do to this pic?

Sky, If I remember correctly, the DOB was Aug 15.

 

[Annasmom]

http://www.szentesinfo.hu/mozaik/2004/exkluziv/2004-11-27_enekes-istvan-.jpg

This is my opinion only. I could use some feedback. I think our George Brody is the man pictured above. WHY?

His name is Istvan Enekes, a gold metalist in the 1932 Olympics held in Los Angeles. He was born in Budapest 02-20-1911 and is said to have died(which I doubt) 01-02-1940.

I think he entered the USA (maybe illegally) using his fellow Olympian's name of Gyorgy Brody, who was born 07-21-1908. His features do not match our George but Istvan Enekes ears and nose do.

They were both Jewish Hungarians and were inducted into the hall of fame.

GOOGLE their names for more pics and info.

Certainly an interesting story (and impressive research), but I don't think the photograph resembles the George Brody I remember.

 

[SherlockJr]

Is this supposed to be a picture of Bobby Wolgast? IMO, it doesn't look any thing like the Bobby Wolgast picture that we were working with last night. Here is the one that I think could be George.

[url="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/wolgast_bobby_ring192404.jpg"]http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/wolgast_bobby_ring192404.jpg[/url]

Are there 2 Bobby Wolgasts? I am confused.

Shadow, it was a joke! Doogie was talking about how wimpy the name "Great Entertainer" was. So I found a pic to match his description. LOL

 

[Niteowl]

Great websleuthing on the boxers, fascinating reading, and I hope it will lead to some answers.
Here is another reference to "the Rock", actually a woman in Sydney. Though the date and time of this trial is 1992, if you read down quite far, it talks about the history of the cult. Surprise! California in the 60's and 70's, Synanon not the only place to perhaps hide a child.

http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Sydney_Morning_Herald:_The_Family_v._The_Rock

Many of the 19 families whose children are the subject of care readily admit belonging to the infamous cult. The group was formed in the 1960s in California from the teachings of the alcoholic radio evangelist, David Brant Berg, who now lives as a semi-recluse in Japan, aged 74. He fled there in the late 1970s, after breaking up the group, to avoid US Government tax investigations into the cult's finances.

 

[Niteowl]

That group held a terrible fate for all chidren involved. I apologize in advance for sending anyone especially Annasmom to this link. Don't go unless you have a strong stomach! Just makes you want to go out there and....(don't know how put the puke icon here, but that's what I want to do.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_God

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Boy, oh boy. Things are just getting more exciting every day here in the search for Anna.

The woman PI who accessed the case files for Anna back in 1974 did not work for the PI that Annasmom and Joe Ford hired to look for Anna. Their PI did mention that he met a PI at a convention once with a very similar first name and the same last name, but they never worked together. He believes that she did work with another PI in SF at that time, but is not listed as being a licensed PI in California now.

A woman by the same name does pop up in a google search as a technology lecturer for women in business. I have the ability to contact her, but if she is the same woman, she may be bound by ethical considerations to keep what she knows secret. Any comments or suggestions, WSers?

 

[SherlockJr]

Boy, oh boy. Things are just getting more exciting every day here in the search for Anna.

The woman PI who accessed the case files for Anna back in 1974 did not work for the PI that Annasmom and Joe Ford hired to look for Anna. Their PI did mention that he met a PI at a convention once with a very similar first name and the same last name, but they never worked together. He believes that she did work with another PI in SF at that time, but is not listed as being a licensed PI in California now.

A woman by the same name does pop up in a google search as a technology lecturer for women in business. I have the ability tio contact her, but if she is the same woman, she may be bound by ethical considerations to keep what she knows secret. Any comments or suggestions, WSers?

I vote you do NOT contact her until we do some further research on this woman. But that's my :twocents:
I am sure LE would still have the letter of request which would be written with some type of letterhead.

 

[HeartofTexas]

Doogie, that was 32 years ago... there's a good chance the woman has married since then and may have a different last name. Have you checked that route yet? IOW, she may still be a PI but may be working under a different name.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Annasmom just contacted me that she found an older typed note that indicated a friend of the family had hired a PI to look into Anna's case prior to Anna's family hiring a PI. The first PI found nothing and never contacted Annasmom or Joe Ford directly. This is probably the source of the mysterious MH (so it appears nothing suspicious occured here.)

 

[mfmangel1]

We could use a Bobby Wolgast autograph to compare to the autographed GB portrait....So far, I haven't had any luck.

 

[natasha-cupcake]

We could use a Bobby Wolgast autograph to compare to the autographed GB portrait....So far, I haven't had any luck.

Great idea! It never occurred to me to compare their handwriting.