Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody and/or Associates

[smile22]

im sure if u petition the courts and all i mean it is part of an investigation involving anna and we need to know all the info we can get.. you said in the bfh the keys were located hmm? all the personal stuff was distroyed by the state what about other stuff in their like money or jewelry or something that might link us to anna could it be possible to get into those boxes im sure with the right contacts anything can happen

 

[Dr. Doogie]

As GW's sister was president of the Socialists Worker's Party, it seems likely that the FBI would have a file on her and possibly her brother, GW. Maybe the Freedom of Information Act could unearth some details of an investigation that possibly would include Brody?

Good idea. GW also may have his own file based on his refusal of the draft during Viet Nam and his anti-war activites. If this turned up anything of value, we would actually have Richard Nixon's paranoia to thank (Who 'da thunk it?)

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Could that be used in any way to force an investigation by authorities? Logically all or a portion of the money would have been Anna's as she is the only known heir. Anna is missing under suspicious circumstances. Could those funds be used to finance the search or anything?

Anna was Waters' heir. The only way that this money could be accessed is if Waters was listed as Brody's heir. The only potential chain of heirship that would work is Brody dies, leaves money to Waters. Waters dies with Anna as his heir. Anna missing, so Annasmom receives the money and holds it trust for Anna.

I do not know if an attorney could even make this chain of events happen, and if they could, they would suck dry the funds so that nothing was left.

 

[SherlockJr]

I do not know if an attorney could even make this chain of events happen, and if they could, they would suck dry the funds so that nothing was left.

I can question my brother about this chain of events. But this is a bad week to bother him, he is involved in a very large case in Ohio right now. But I will e-mail him anyway.

 

[mysteriew]

Anna was Waters' heir. The only way that this money could be accessed is if Waters was listed as Brody's heir. The only potential chain of heirship that would work is Brody dies, leaves money to Waters. Waters dies with Anna as his heir. Anna missing, so Annasmom receives the money and holds it trust for Anna.

I do not know if an attorney could even make this chain of events happen, and if they could, they would suck dry the funds so that nothing was left.

So Brody's name was the only one listed on the box?

 

[Dr. Doogie]

So Brody's name was the only one listed on the box?

Evidently, since the California Unclaimed Property site only lists Brody. Bank of America had not been able to locate any records of the box that might provide any more information.

 

[mysteriew]

Well, I guess that explains why George W. didn't empty it. He didn't have access to it since it wasn't in his name.

 

[SherlockJr]

Evidently, since the California Unclaimed Property site only lists Brody. Bank of America had not been able to locate any records of the box that might provide any more information.

Am I understanding this right? The box is empty now. All papers were destroyed and any money left in the box is now with the State of Unclaimed Funds. Is this fact or belief?

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Am I understanding this right? The box is empty now. All papers were destroyed and any money left in the box is now with the State of Unclaimed Funds. Is this fact or belief?

Unfortunately, it is fact. The State only absorbs the money into its general fund and will repay any heirs after a valid claim is filed and approved. Any non-monetary contents of the boxes are destroyed by the State with no record of what they were. Ain't government a wonderful thing...

 

[HeartofTexas]

And boy do they make you jump thru hoops to claim the money, too. It's hard to do it without an attorney's assistance... and hiring the attorney eats up most of what you get. The whole process drug out for more than a year when I went thru it. We had to file ancillary probate in another state in order to claim the money, and that alone cost about $6,000 for attorney's fees.

 

[SherlockJr]

im sure if u petition the courts and all i mean it is part of an investigation involving anna and we need to know all the info we can get.. you said in the bfh the keys were located hmm? all the personal stuff was distroyed by the state what about other stuff in their like money or jewelry or something that might link us to anna could it be possible to get into those boxes im sure with the right contacts anything can happen

Is there a way to find out if "other stuff" was left in the box?

 

[SherlockJr]

And boy do they make you jump thru hoops to claim the money, too. It's hard to do it without an attorney's assistance... and hiring the attorney eats up most of what you get. The whole process drug out for more than a year when I went thru it. We had to file ancillary probate in another state in order to claim the money, and that alone cost about $6,000 for attorney's fees.

I was able to find money for my father from his mother who passed in 1964. Wasn't that hard, but took the state about 4 months to send his money to him.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Is there a way to find out if "other stuff" was left in the box?

No record was kept of its contents beyond the cash. Interestingly enough, the total of cash came to $16,970.09 - that means that Brody had at least four pennies in the box. A sane person would have filled it with at least twenties and up, he seemed to empty his pocket change into it!

 

[azure]

I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this yet, but could the L's be the family that was going to take Anna? This makes sense with the final arrangements being the arrangements of her abduction and new life.

If insurance policies were given as gifts, perhaps this was GW's gift to Anna before starting her new life.

Kelly

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this yet, but could the L's be the family that was going to take Anna? This makes sense with the final arrangements being the arrangements of her abduction and new life.

You may very well be correct.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I spoke with the Private Investigator who has been working on this case on-and-off since the late 1970's. He has worked some big-time cases (Kennedy assasination, the Oklahoma City bombing and the World Trade Center Building 7, for example) and has a lot of experience with Freedom of Information Act requests. Here is his opinion:

"FOIA lawsuits are a specialty in their own right. It
will be a long and laborious process. The likelihood of finding
anything significant in these records, to my mind, does not justify
the labor involved in trying to get them. In addition, you very
likely would end up getting nothing."

I will probably still place the request, but I am not optimistic that it will prove productive. I will let you know how it is going.

 

[gardenmom]

Doc, clear some space in your mail box. (Please) :blowkiss:

 

[SherlockJr]

HeartOfTexas we need you!!!! You are the geneologist in the this family. We need a family tree on Brody like yesterday.
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

 

[mfmangel1]

WOW! You leave for a few days and look at what happens....The BFH raises it's ugly head to bite Dr. Doogie and the Websleuthers. This is unreal! Okay, now I have so many questions. I hope they have not been addressed previously.

Why the obsession with the accidental death policies? They would not have paid out like normal life insurance policies. Did GW and GB use them to borrow against, and if so, where did that money go? They certainly were not living extravagantly. It would seem that GW's income would have been sufficient to cover their meager living expenses.

Had GW and/or GB been to the home from which Anna was taken?

What were GW's and GB's alibis for the day Anna disappeared?

I believe Annasmom stated that GW owned a Volkswagon 411 squareback. Did anyone remember seeing that vehicle in the area in the days leading up to Anna's disappearance? Was the car searched by LE? What happened to the car after GW's death?

It has been stated that the home/property could be viewed from certain sites. Were any tire tracks taken by LE?

It has been stated that a friend saw a white van with an older man and a younger man on the same road as the home just prior to the abduction. Did LE verify if a van had been rented by GW or GB recently for any reason?

I am just praying that the BFH will finally give up it's secrets.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Why the obsession with the accidental death policies? They would not have paid out like normal life insurance policies. Did GW and GB use them to borrow against, and if so, where did that money go? They certainly were not living extravagantly. It would seem that GW's income would have been sufficient to cover their meager living expenses.

That is a good question. It may be that GW was relatively young and healthy, and they felt that an accidental death was the most likely way that GW might die. I do not believe that a person can use these type of policies as collateral for loans since they have no value unless the insured dies in a particular way. While they did not live in extravagant housing, evidently GB was quite the natty dresser and spent quite a bit of GW's money on clothes and they also ate at local dinners for most (if not all) of their meals.

Had GW and/or GB been to the home from which Anna was taken?

No, not that anyone is aware of, but child support payments were mailed to the street address, so Waters was aware of where the family lived.

What were GW's and GB's alibis for the day Anna disappeared?...It has been stated that a friend saw a white van with an older man and a younger man on the same road as the home just prior to the abduction. Did LE verify if a van had been rented by GW or GB recently for any reason?

It is believed by Joe Ford that GW and GB were such mentally damaged goods that neither one of them could have physically been involved in abducting Anna. However, they could have hired or arranged someone to commit the crime.

I believe Annasmom stated that GW owned a Volkswagon 411 squareback. Did anyone remember seeing that vehicle in the area in the days leading up to Anna's disappearance? Was the car searched by LE? What happened to the car after GW's death. It has been stated that the home/property could be viewed from certain sites. Were any tire tracks taken by LE?

Annasom can provide answers to these questions.