This thread is for posters that believe Calee is still alive #5

[JBean]

Just to clarify JBean, it is ok to discuss the various aspects of the evidence, right?(phone logs, forensics, witness statements, etc.) The reason many of us think she is alive is because we view the evidence in a different light than many others and I wanted to make sure we are still able to discuss our Alive theories in a logical, non-gossipy, fact based manner. This would necessarily require us to branch off in many different directions with our discussions and this might fall under your description of a general discussion. Help, please?

This is a unique thread because no where else do we only allow one viewpoint to be discussed. We may limit parameters of discussion in other threads , but not viewpoints as long as they do not violate TOS.

So, please use your best judgment as to what is "Alive" related. I know you need to discuss the evidence , but just be sure the discussion is based on Caylee Alive!
Do the best you can.

 

[Seranade]

Thanks JBean! Definitely, everything will be Alive related.

 

[Macushla]

If this will help you all in any way, I have not read anything more about the call KIO said she received from Casey and then changed her mind and said it was from a different Casey. I may not have read EVERYTHING about this case , but that was something that stuck in my mind and I think I would have remembered if anything further had been said about it.

 

[yankeesbelle04]

Good afternoon everyone!!! So glad that this thread was soo active last night! Let's keep it up!! LOL! Anyways, I'm just looking for some clarification on what we are NOT supposed to post on this thread.. Please clarify it for some of us! Thanks!!!

 

[looking4clues]

FOR THOSE WHO BELONG IN THIS THREAD:

I do have a theory, or maybe an explanation, for the missing childrens sites, and it's quite simple..I've looked on missing childrens sites! I've looked on America's Most Wanted sites, FBI most wanted sites.. It's what I"m interested in.. That's why these sites are up, for unselfish people to search to see if maybe they recognize someone.. Not saying that's what Casey was doing, I'm just saying that I don't find her searching missing childrens sites a smoking gun.. Everywhere I go, every little girl I see, I look at, just to see if maybe, just maybe it's Caylee...and that's what these missing childrens websites are for..

You are so, so right! When I think about some of the things I look up online, some of the sites I visit, some of the pics in my photobucket, myspace, etc, it's scary to think what I could be convicted of IF that is what is going to set the standard here.

I will continue to believe Caylee is alive until I see all the evidence.

Someone mentioned what George said...he said "the body in the trunk of the car was not my granddaughter." So was someone in the trunk of the car? I also didn't know that about the death band on the hair. Perhaps that's why Nancy Grace has backed off that on her show.

I have my theories, but some of which we can't discuss here.

I'm glad to see so many posting in this thread though. Keep the faith -- for Caylee!

 

[BreatheLife21]

So the senerio goes : her mom was threatening to put her in jail and filing for custody, actually choking her on Jun 15th after learning of money was stolen from her mom. Scorned she leaves the next morning taking caylee somewhere with someone she trusts.

 

[BreatheLife21]

That has been one of my biggest questions.
Could other chemicals cause a deathband on hair?
Or if Caylee's hair was already in the trunk because it fell off of her clothes and there was another body in the trunk, could the decomp from that body cause a death ring on Caylee's hair?

I agree , i have read that its a certain bateria that causes the ring , being that there were flies and maggots in the trash it could have been the flies carring the bacteria to the hair..

 

[BlueEyedSpy]

Those who are on the fence about the decomp. in the trunk, there are a couple of things that may help reinforce your hope for Caylee. Remember when a reporter started to question GA about the test results and the fact that it showed decomposition, and how angry he became? I remember the statement he made very well, because it has haunted me a bit and I can't get it out of my mind. He stated very angrily and matter of fact "Because the person in the back of that car is the one who took my granddaughter"! Why would he say that? OK...I took it as, he acknowleged there was decomp. in the trunk, but it was not Caylee's, but rather the person who took her.

That isn't exactly what he said, Cerenity. He never identified nor intimated that the person in the trunk is the one who had taken Caylee.

George Anthony said: "The person who was in the back of my granddaughter`s (SIC) car is not my granddaughter!"

Now he obviously meant to say, "The person who was in the back of my daughter's car is not my granddaughter." - but he made a misstatement due to emotions.

George has never indicated who it is that he thinks was the decomposing body in the trunk.

 

[yankeesbelle04]

That isn't exactly what he said, Cerenity. He never identified nor intimated that the person in the trunk is the one who had taken Caylee.

George Anthony said: "The person who was in the back of my granddaughter`s (SIC) car is not my granddaughter!"

Now he obviously meant to say, "The person who was in the back of my daughter's car is not my granddaughter." - but he made a misstatement due to emotions.

George has never indicated who it is that he thinks was the decomposing body in the trunk.

Good eye.. I had responded to this quote and didn't even notice it! As a matter of face, my response is wrong too, because in mine I quote him as saying "the dead body in my daughter's car was not my grandaughter" ! Sorry about that!!!

 

[yankeesbelle04]

So the senerio goes : her mom was threatening to put her in jail and filing for custody, actually choking her on Jun 15th after learning of money was stolen from her mom. Scorned she leaves the next morning taking caylee somewhere with someone she trusts.

I have thought that too..But, the part about the choking, that "fact" came from LP, and I don't trust him.. At all.. My own opinion though! But I have thought that Caylee is with someone she trusted, all because of the fight with her mother.. Even though Casey has done some horrible things to her family and friends, like stealing and lying, she must have felt an enormous amount of pressure from her mother when confronted about stealing money..And, on top of that, having someone tell you constantly you are unfit, and then threatening to go for custody of your own child, whom I do believe she loved, I think she could have panicked knowing that her mother could possibly be awarded custody, and gave Caylee to someone she knows who won't say anything because maybe Casey has fed them half truth lies..

Another theory that I have is, what if Caylee's father is really in the picture and has been all along.. Or, what if some man thinks he is Caylee's father because of the lies that Casey told him, and maybe he has been there since the beginning, and that explains who was watching Caylee all those times when Cindy wasn't and Caylee wasn't around..Maybe the supposed father thinks that if he doesnt keep Caylee for Casey right now, he will lose her forever..

I don't know if that's a stretch.. But it is something that I always wondered.. Could she have fooled everyone in her life to thinking there is no father around, but yet he's been around this whole timie??? Wouldnt surprise me, it really truly wouldnt.

 

[aqua_mom]

Good afternoon.

Forgive me if this has already been asked of you. Besides a body is there any evidence that would allow you to believe that Caylee is deceased? Thanks.

I only speak for myself but if I were to see a report that contains DNA from validated decomp fluids, then I would possibly change my mind. Of course, this is based on my current limited understanding of decomp fluids and DNA. As far as I understand, those findings have not been released for public viewing.

 

[BlueEyedSpy]

Good afternoon.

Forgive me if this has already been asked of you. Besides a body is there any evidence that would allow you to believe that Caylee is deceased? Thanks.

Just so you know, this isn't a debate thread. It's strictly for those who believe that Caylee is alive to discuss issues surrounding that belief.

Personally, I find it amusing that at no time has LE stated, without a LOT of hedging, that Caylee is factually deceased. Any "indications", (another word LE loves to use when referring to a deceased Caylee), have been through media reports with third-party hearsay or "sources".

The FBI is not known to make statements, ever, so that is understandable - but LE thus far has only put out the hint to the public that she "probably is", "we think", "it indicates", and so on.

It is quite clear that even they aren't sure that Caylee is not alive.

 

[BlueEyedSpy]

Good eye.. I had responded to this quote and didn't even notice it! As a matter of face, my response is wrong too, because in mine I quote him as saying "the dead body in my daughter's car was not my grandaughter" ! Sorry about that!!!

No problem vickie. What you quoted is what George meant to say, obviously that car didn't belong to Caylee, so he meant to say his daughter's car.

There's a huge difference though in that statement, or Cerenity's quote having George identify the body in the car as the person who took Caylee.

There are so few real known facts in this case, I'd like to keep them preserved as truth, that's all.

No harm, no foul.

 

[aqua_mom]

Just so you know, this isn't a debate thread. It's strictly for those who believe that Caylee is alive to discuss issues surrounding that belief.

Personally, I find it amusing that at no time has LE stated, without a LOT of hedging, that Caylee is factually deceased. Any "indications", (another word LE loves to use when referring to a deceased Caylee), have been through media reports with third-party hearsay or "sources".

The FBI is not known to make statements, ever, so that is understandable - but LE thus far has only put out the hint to the public that she "probably is", "we think", "it indicates", and so on.

It is quite clear that even they aren't sure that Caylee is not alive.

What BlueEyedSpy said! Exactly!! :clap:

 

[Blink34]

Just so you know, this isn't a debate thread. It's strictly for those who believe that Caylee is alive to discuss issues surrounding that belief.

Personally, I find it amusing that at no time has LE stated, without a LOT of hedging, that Caylee is factually deceased. Any "indications", (another word LE loves to use when referring to a deceased Caylee), have been through media reports with third-party hearsay or "sources".

The FBI is not known to make statements, ever, so that is understandable - but LE thus far has only put out the hint to the public that she "probably is", "we think", "it indicates", and so on.

It is quite clear that even they aren't sure that Caylee is not alive.

I would have to completely support this post. As a matter of fact, I read an article on the dailybssite late last night, that specifically stated that LE was confirming Caylee was in fact, deceased. A few hours later when a poster commented requesting a link, The author updated the article to read "unconfirmed" and added own comments that said he received 50 emails from readers stating that the 11PM broadcast on WFTV stated same, and as the day progressed today he would remove his own comments following confirmation or the article would be pulled.

I would provide a link, however, as you can guess, it was pulled.
I find that grossly irresponsible and certainly offensive to anyone that holds hope that Caylee is still with us. I actually thought I might have imagined it until a colleague sent me the screenshots this morning.

I support every person's right to believe Caylee is alive, and condemn anyone that would report she is not without verification.

 

[JBean]

Good afternoon.

Forgive me if this has already been asked of you. Besides a body is there any evidence that would allow you to believe that Caylee is deceased? Thanks.

I think this is a fair question and asked in a most polite way.
Just be aware mbw that if the answers are not satisfactory to you, there is no debate in here. You ask..they answer that is it. I truly believe you are not trying to be argumentative at all.. so don;t think this is anything except a clarification for you. This is a unique thread with rules a bit different than the rest of the forum.

 

[jandkmom]

I wasn't trying to debate. I sent the user the PM below: Sorry it was interpreted that way. I will try to be more careful how I word things. I certainly didn't mean to offend

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Good afternoon.

I wasn't trying to debate...I wouldn't be very good at it I hope I didn't offend you. I just was wondering. I admire believers for their faith and too am waiting to see what actually comes out in court. Lots of unanswered questions. Thanks for replying.

MBW

Just so you know, this isn't a debate thread. It's strictly for those who believe that Caylee is alive to discuss issues surrounding that belief.

Personally, I find it amusing that at no time has LE stated, without a LOT of hedging, that Caylee is factually deceased. Any "indications", (another word LE loves to use when referring to a deceased Caylee), have been through media reports with third-party hearsay or "sources".

The FBI is not known to make statements, ever, so that is understandable - but LE thus far has only put out the hint to the public that she "probably is", "we think", "it indicates", and so on.

It is quite clear that even they aren't sure that Caylee is not alive.

 

[BlueEyedSpy]

I wasn't trying to debate. I sent the user the PM below: Sorry it was interpreted that way. I will try to be more careful how I word things. I certainly didn't mean to offend

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Good afternoon.

I wasn't trying to debate...I wouldn't be very good at it I hope I didn't offend you. I just was wondering. I admire believers for their faith and too am waiting to see what actually comes out in court. Lots of unanswered questions. Thanks for replying.

MBW

You didn't offend at all MBW, which is why I answered you.

Seeing that you are new to this thread, I just wanted you to have a heads-up about the intent of this thread so that it didn't get carried into a troublesome area of discussion, nothing more.

 

[BlueEyedSpy]

I think this is a fair question and asked in a most polite way.
Just be aware mbw that if the answers are not satisfactory to you, there is no debate in here. You ask..they answer that is it. I truly believe you are not trying to be argumentative at all.. so don;t think this is anything except a clarification for you. This is a unique thread with rules a bit different than the rest of the forum.

Thanks JB, that was exactly my point when I made that statement.

 

[Seranade]

All of the directly quoted statements by LE regarding the forensic evidence and what they conclude have been convoluted and with so much wiggle room you could drive a Mack truck through them. There has been no official announcement that Caylee is dead, only impromptu sidewalk interviews and anonymous leaks using twisted, ambigous wording. If she is indeed deceased I think they owe the public a formal press conference telling the public in no uncertain terms, literally. Even the statement regarding Casey's status said she "would be" a suspect, as if answering a hypothetical question.

To answer the question about what would make me believe she is dead besides a body, the above is one. Two, I would also like to see the forensic reports for myself, or at least hear an analysis of them from a neutral expert.