Thought and theories on Jeremy

[Deleted member 39678]

Was JI supposed to work his regular job the next day, the 4th? How in the world would he have accomplished working another day without any sleep since the starbucks job took much longer than expected? MOO

Why couldn't he get some sleep. He wouldn't get 8 hrs but some. I've worked two jobs before that sometimes left me with only a few hours sleep. I didn't like it, but I did it.

 

[melissasmom]

There were a lot of burglaries in that neighborhood that people were saying Jersey did..If I knew my DH was working a night shift and all those burglaries going on-you bet ALL my windows and doors would be locked..Why did Deb NOT lock the door when she went in at 1030!!

My DH works 2nd shift and my doors are locked the min.he leaves-I never leave windows open-you just can't now a days...

I don't lock my door until I go to bed normally, and I leave windows open all the time. In the summer especially, I want fresh air. I guess I'm just not safety concious. Plus it makes no difference to me if my husband is here or not. I am just a capable as he is of defending myself if need be. I don't need a man to protect me or my family.
Nothing personal against you, I just hate the impression that women don't feel safe unless their 'man" is there. Who knows how DB felt about it.
JMO

 

[iamnotagolem]

When my husband is gone overnight, or gone when we go to bed, I double make sure the doors are locked. He is typically the one to lock the doors and check the windows, but we keep the doors locked when we are home during the day. We live in a relatively safe area. When we lived in what I would consider a crime ridden city (above nat'l average in crime, still quite a bit lower than KC) we were very vigilant in making sure the house was secure at night.

Since this thread is about Jeremy....why didn't he fix the garage door to prevent break ins? How often did he check the windows? Is he sure the screen was bent that night and not previously?

 

[SyraKelly]

I don't lock my door until I go to bed normally, and I leave windows open all the time. In the summer especially, I want fresh air. I guess I'm just not safety concious. Plus it makes no difference to me if my husband is here or not. I am just a capable as he is of defending myself if need be. I don't need a man to protect me or my family.
Nothing personal against you, I just hate the impression that women don't feel safe unless their 'man" is there. Who knows how DB felt about it.
JMO

First of all-I did not know I was giving anyone the impression that I was not capable of taking care of myself if my DH was not here--I was saying that I would lock my doors and not leave widows open at all-esp when their is a lot of burglaries going on in the neighborhood..I am safety concious..esp if I had children in the house-you can't always stop someone from breaking in..but you sure can make it difficult as hell to do--she left windows open-doors unlocked..she might have well stood there and put a sign on their door--saying open house--I mean reallly--she was going to bed-she shut the door--why not lock it????

 

[iamnotagolem]

I'll be honest, I feel safer with my husband here. If someone broke into our house, I'd rather one of us be containing the children out of harms way while the other took care of the intruder. This doesn't mean I'm not capable of blasting a bad guy.

 

[melissasmom]

First of all-I did not know I was giving anyone the impression that I was not capable of taking care of myself if my DH was not here--I was saying that I would lock my doors and not leave widows open at all-esp when their is a lot of burglaries going on in the neighborhood..I am safety concious..esp if I had children in the house-you can't always stop someone from breaking in..but you sure can make it difficult as hell to do--she left windows open-doors unlocked..she might have well stood there and put a sign on here door--saying open house--I mean reallly--she was going to bed-she shut the door--why not lock it????

I guess I worded my post the wrong way. If Deb was not used to locking the door, then that may be why she didn't (IF she didn't, this has not been clarified) To you, shutting the door then automatically locking it may be second nature. But possibly not to her. Especially if she had been drinking, she just didn't think about it. Locking doors is NOT automatic for me. I grew up in a small town, we never locked our door, not even at night. For the most part throughout my adulthood I have lived in small towns, lots of time I have not locked my door. It has only been the last couple years that I lock my door before I go to bed, and yes, I still have to THINK about it.

And the reason I brought up the comment about not needing my husband to protect me is because of a couple posts mentioning DB being home at night alone with the kids, she may be nervous or spooked. My point was that just because Jeremy was not there does not mean she would have been afraid. It doesn't matter to me if I have a house full of people or am all by my lonesome. We don't know HOW DB felt about JI not being there at night.

 

[hambirg]

There were a lot of burglaries in that neighborhood that people were saying Jersey did..If I knew my DH was working a night shift and all those burglaries going on-you bet ALL my windows and doors would be locked..Why did Deb NOT lock the door when she went in at 1030!!

My DH works 2nd shift and my doors are locked the min.he leaves-I never leave windows open-you just can't now a days...

BBM. . .honestly, we don't know that she didn't. We only have JI's word that it was unlocked when he came home. DB says she can't remember.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

We don't know Jeremy and neither does Ron Rugen, but this was his recent reply regarding Jeremy's personality in the RR thread:

Originally Posted by 2door73chevy View Post
Have you met JI and is his demeanor different off camera? TIA
I have not met JI. I'm told he is much different off camera and is definitely the head of the household. I do know he never trusted many people. He was always waiting for my to slip up.

BBM

That is exactly what I thought when I saw the video of DB and JI where he pushes the cat off the porch.

There are cameras rolling, they are coming home and JI leaves DB about 10 steps behind as she tries to catch up with stuff in her arms.

 

[melissasmom]

I'll be honest, I feel safer with my husband here. If someone broke into our house, I'd rather one of us be containing the children out of harms way while the other took care of the intruder. This doesn't mean I'm not capable of blasting a bad guy.

I understand what you are saying. Safety in numbers, so to speak. I guess my view just stems from being alone by myself with kids for several years, I didn't have anyone there to make me feel "safer", so you just get used to it.

 

[lonetraveler]

I've been following Lisa's case since day one but haven't posted much on it, too afraid I'd get too deep again in another missing child case, but I do check on the case several times a week..

I have had thoughts about Jeremy on this case. During one of Judge Jeanine's interviews she asked Jeremy who he thought could do something like this and his reply caught my attention. He stated something like: 'someone who would cheat on their husbands'. Only he stopped midway on the word husband and only got out husb...as soon as Deborah gave him a negative look. This really stood out to me and I've been trying to figure out why he said this since then. Was he maybe suspecting that Deborah was cheating on him while he had to work that night? Did he suspect this as soon as he woke her up and notice that she had been drinking? Or did he leave the Starbucks a little earlier than stated and discovered something that put him in a total rage? and took Lisa out of revenge to pay Deborah back for something? Or did he discover an overdosed, dead Lisa while Deborah was still passed out?

In some of the looks he gives Deborah in the beginning of the case he appears to be very angry and looks at her in a loathing way, JMO.

Another thing, to me at least, Deborah seems to be frantically holding onto him as if she is afraid that he will reveal an awful secret about her and that night. There are videos showing Deborah clinging to him and he just gives her that hating look, with arms down at his side, not attempting to touch her
and maybe even avoiding her touch as well.

These are my observations about Jeremy and they are my opinion only. I don't know if I'm just getting the wrong vibes or not, but it is what it is. Now, the couple seem to have joined together in support of each other but that could also be from their attorney's advise. Who knows?

 

[iamnotagolem]

I understand what you are saying. Safety in numbers, so to speak. I guess my view just stems from being alone by myself with kids for several years, I didn't have anyone there to make me feel "safer", so you just get used to it.

Yes it is safer w/2 adults. But being a parent means keeping your kids safe, whether you have a spouse or are alone. You lock the doors, especially in a crime ridden neighborhood.

I understand being in small towns and low crime areas. The two houses I was raised in we never locked the door, ever.

Where we live now vs where we lived last, huge difference in how we live. We don't lock our cars when we're at home, we'll leave the garage door open while we're home during the day. We worry more about 4 legged animals than 2 legged. Kansas City has a high crime rate, you have to be vigilant about keeping your family safe and protected, which means locking your doors at night. They'd already had a vehicle broken into recently, they KNEW they were not immune to the crime.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

A quick hypothetical on JI's phones missing comment.

A couple of weeks ago my wife went shopping and took both sets of keys (hers and mine) so I couldn't go anywhere.

Did my DW take the keys to keep me home? NO! Now go back and read the bolded sentence replacing "so" with "therefor" and it makes perfect sense.

Same with JI's statement, they took our phones so (therefor) we couldn't call. Then he remembers his work phone and does make the initial 9-1-1 call. It's not that complicated really. JMHO

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I've been following Lisa's case since day one but haven't posted much on it, too afraid I'd get too deep again in another missing child case, but I do check on the case several times a week..

I have had thoughts about Jeremy on this case. During one of Judge Jeanine's interviews she asked Jeremy who he thought could do something like this and his reply caught my attention. He stated something like: 'someone who would cheat on their husbands'. Only he stopped midway on the word husband and only got out husb...as soon as Deborah gave him a negative look. This really stood out to me and I've been trying to figure out why he said this since then. Was he maybe suspecting that Deborah was cheating on him while he had to work that night? Did he suspect this as soon as he woke her up and notice that she had been drinking? Or did he leave the Starbucks a little earlier than stated and discovered something that put him in a total rage? and took Lisa out of revenge to pay Deborah back for something? Or did he discover an overdosed, dead Lisa while Deborah was still passed out?

In some of the looks he gives Deborah in the beginning of the case he appears to be very angry and looks at her in a loathing way, JMO.

Another thing, to me at least, Deborah seems to be frantically holding onto him as if she is afraid that he will reveal an awful secret about her and that night. There are videos showing Deborah clinging to him and he just gives her that hating look, with arms down at his side, not attempting to touch her and maybe even avoiding her touch as well.

These are my observations about Jeremy and they are my opinion only. I don't know if I'm just getting the wrong vibes or not, but it is what it is. Now, the couple seem to have joined together in support of each other but that could also be from their attorney's advise. Who knows?

BBM: I totally agree with the above ...

Jeremy's response of "someone who would cheat on their husb--" is totally "bizarre" ... one of the "strangest" responses I have heard ...

And I agree with your observations of JI and DB in the first few videos of these two that were shown : JMO but Jeremy "appears" to be "disgusted" with her and he appears like he does not even want to touch her ...

And now ... the "latest" we have to go on is their interview with Phil McGraw Show ... One thing I noticed that struck me as "odd" : Jeremy was sitting "in the middle" -- between Debra and Joe Tacopinto -- I thought that was "odd" -- ya would "think" that the mother of the missing baby would be positioned inbetween Jeremy and her attorney ...

So ... Jeremy had Deb on one side, and Joe Tacopinto on the other side of him so that they BOTH could keep Jeremy from "slipping" ... or keep him "in line" ... or what ? ? ?

Jeremy IS the weakest link ...

MOO ...

:seeya: Oh lonetraveler -- please post more often !

 

[melissasmom]

Yes it is safer w/2 adults. But being a parent means keeping your kids safe, whether you have a spouse or are alone. You lock the doors, especially in a crime ridden neighborhood.

I understand being in small towns and low crime areas. The two houses I was raised in we never locked the door, ever.

Where we live now vs where we lived last, huge difference in how we live. We don't lock our cars when we're at home, we'll leave the garage door open while we're home during the day. We worry more about 4 legged animals than 2 legged. Kansas City has a high crime rate, you have to be vigilant about keeping your family safe and protected, which means locking your doors at night. They'd already had a vehicle broken into recently, they KNEW they were not immune to the crime.

I have never lived in a high crime area, thankfully. I am definitely not a "city" person. I shudder at the thought. LOL

As far as DB's not locking the door, if she was irresponsible enough to get drunk while watching the kids, then is it really shocking to think that she would worry about locking the door? Especially if you think irresponsibility was a "habit" of hers? I'm just saying this based on the general opinion of DB here. I would think it would not be shocking at all.

JMO

 

[hambirg]

A quick hypothetical on JI's phones missing comment.

A couple of weeks ago my wife went shopping and took both sets of keys (hers and mine) so I couldn't go anywhere.

Did my DW take the keys to keep me home? NO! Now go back and read the bolded sentence replacing "so" with "therefor" and it makes perfect sense.

Same with JI's statement, they took our phones so (therefor) we couldn't call. Then he remembers his work phone and does make the initial 9-1-1 call. It's not that complicated really. JMHO

BBM

But they did call. The taking of the phones didn't prevent them from calling at all.

It's like in your hypothetical situation if you said, "my wife went shopping and took both sets of keys (hers and mine) so I couldn't go anywhere." BUT you pulled out a spare set from your pocket and drove to the store. So why bother to say you couldn't go anywhere?

 

[4Jacy]

I understand what you are saying. Safety in numbers, so to speak. I guess my view just stems from being alone by myself with kids for several years, I didn't have anyone there to make me feel "safer", so you just get used to it.

I don't know how much safer DB could have felt; she had two rifles and a baseball bat next to her bed.

 

[2door73chevy]

I don't know how much safer DB could have felt; she had two rifles and a baseball bat next to her bed.

The "intruder" was very lucky they did'nt get their head blown off or beat with a bat.:maddening:

 

[cityslick]

I don't know how much safer DB could have felt; she had two rifles and a baseball bat next to her bed.

And that was there before the searches? Misleading information is misleading.

 

[iamnotagolem]

And that was there before the searches? Misleading information is misleading.

You think the police or media planted that? I'm confused.:waitasec:

 

[4Jacy]

You think the police or media planted that? I'm confused.:waitasec:

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