Thought and theories on Jeremy

[vlpate]

here is another screenshot, from the GMA Cyndy Short video.

Here is another screenshot from GMA Cyndy Short video.

Where did the pillow go? Who closed the drawers and moved the fan???

Here' another:

No one sees that the guns and ball bat were rearranged here?

Who cleaned everything up and took a clear shot of the guns? Same tour by this defense attorney with people busy in the background moving things around.


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[DeAnn]

That's good enough for me. I'd prefer to hear about it from a real source, rather than an anonymous one. I'm positive that if LE didn't say it publicly, that they didn't say it to anyone, and that they don't have video of JI on camera.

I'm positive I put the quotes around "publicly" for a reason.

I wish I could say more I really do......

 

[hambirg]

What was the story early on about some bird house or something?

I'm trying to figure out if the trip to SB's was to stash the phones, where could have they been stashed? Did they search the cars on the 4th?

 

[norest4thewicked]

I'm positive I put the quotes around "publicly" for a reason.

I wish I could say more I really do......

Oh...I got what you were saying. I'm quick like that!

I still believe that LE does not have JI on camera for 10 hours. I wish that I could say more too...

:winkaway:

 

[DeAnn]

Oh...I got what you were saying. I'm quick like that!

I still believe that LE does not have JI on camera for 10 hours. I wish that I could say more too...

:winkaway:

Since 6 p.m. to 3:30 a.m. isn't 10 hours, I don't either.

 

[vlpate]

Since 6 p.m. to 3:30 a.m. isn't 10 hours, I don't either.

He was gone from approximately 5:30 - 3:45. Even without using my fingers - that's 10 hours. Unless he was on video for 10 hours, he doesn't have an air-tight alibi.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Since 6 p.m. to 3:30 a.m. isn't 10 hours, I don't either.

We were told 10 hours several times, but, okay...9 1/2 hours. :seeya:

 

[cityslick]

Isn't there an actual quote from LE who said 'his story checked out'? I'm horrible at finding this stuff but I thought Nina recently posted it in one of these threads.

You're forgetting the fact that (according to what RR heard), there was a coworker with him that night. Don't you think LE would of questioned him on if JI was missing for any length of time that night?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Isn't there an actual quote from LE who said 'his story checked out'? I'm horrible at finding this stuff but I thought Nina recently posted it in one of these threads.

You're forgetting the fact that (according to what RR heard), there was a coworker with him that night. Don't you think LE would of questioned him on if JI was missing for any length of time that night?

The "co-worker" was his boss. JI is their only employee. The boss has already come out with support for JI, but I haven't ever seen a report that says that he was seen on video for all of his 9 1/2 or 10 hours. That's an awfully long time for someone to not eat, take a break, or for a smoker to have a smoke. Just my opinion.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Isn't there an actual quote from LE who said 'his story checked out'? I'm horrible at finding this stuff but I thought Nina recently posted it in one of these threads.

You're forgetting the fact that (according to what RR heard), there was a coworker with him that night. Don't you think LE would of questioned him on if JI was missing for any length of time that night?

If LE caught Jeremy in a lie about being at work the whole time there are many reason they would not tell him they caught him lying. It would not be proof of a crime and they would want other proof and have the actual crime pinned down before they ever let him know they knew he was not at work at a certain time.

It was still very early in the investigation and LE would want to have evidence ready for any scenario JI came up with of why he lied or forgot about leaving work and my gut says the police question was narrowing down his choices of lies and Jeremy saw it and called off the questioning.

 

[norest4thewicked]

If LE caught Jeremy in a lie about being at work the whole time there are many reason they would not tell him they caught him lying. It would not be proof of a crime and they would want other proof and have the actual crime pinned down before they ever let him know they knew he was not at work at a certain time.

It was still very early in the investigation and LE would want to have evidence ready for any scenario JI came up with of why he lied or forgot about leaving work and my gut says the police question was narrowing down his choices of lies and Jeremy saw it and called off the questioning.

Jumping off from your post Dr. F...might this be about the time the parents stormed down to the command center?

 

[hambirg]

Jumping off from your post Dr. F...might this be about the time the parents stormed down to the command center?

Going back and looking at some of the things in the early days of the investigation have been eye opening.

Consider that on. . .

Oct 4th
The parent's are "interviewed" by LE starting at 10:30am. They are not brought into custody, so I assume that means that interview happened in the home.

The parents are questioned til 10:30pm

LE is "fixated" on the window according to MSM at that time.

LE cancels the Amber Alert. IMHO, after investigating the window, LE knows that the abduction story is likely false.

Oct 5th
Parents did not stay at the Lister house overnight between the 4th and the 5th.

At 12:00 noon they return to the Lister neighborhood and meet with family at a neighbor's house. Did the phones start pinging again during this time. Could somebody just not help themselves from looking at what was on the phones?

They enter the backyard with LE and then remove some personal belongings from the house on Lister.

LE brought canines into the home.

LE removed several bags of evidence from the home.

At 3:30pm LE is searching the woods behind the house on ATV's. I think at this point LE knows this is no abduction and they know that the "scene" was close to home.

Oct 6th

Parent's have a "heated" discussion with LE. Parents are starting to understand that LE is not buying the story.

LE is searching Buckeye Park in a shoulder-to-shoulder search.

Parents are interviewed again by LE.

JI speaks for the first time to the public about the cell phones.

JI says he needs a "break" and is let go. I can almost see how it went down. LE: So JI, she's over there spilling her guts. So she was cheating on you, huh? Were you spying on her phone? We understand, buddy. Is Lisa even yours? Just tell us. We get it. JI: Idk what you're talking about. LE: OK, you don't want to tell us about the phones. We have our polygrapher her today in the building. JI: Uh. . .OK . . .Gee, I think I need a break guys.

One hour later, LE announces that the parents are no longer cooperating.

LE shuts down the command center.

Oct 7th
It is announced that the parents have hired an attorney

LE is using metal detectors in their search around the Lister home.



Sooooo. . .what I am wondering is if those phones could have started pinging again? Were they not pinging on the 4th? Did they mysteriously start pinging again on the 5th? Did LE question JI about this on the 6th? Did he refuse to take a LDT? Was LE determined to find those phones on the 7th? :waitasec:


ETA- I added some of my thoughts in red above.

 

[In da Middle]

Going back and looking at some of the things in the early days of the investigation have been eye opening.

Consider that on. . .

Oct 4th
The parent's are "interviewed" by LE starting at 10:30am. They are not brought into custody, so I assume that means that interview happened in the home. They were at the police station for 8-11 hours that day. Not at the home. Live cameras at the time showed them leaving early in the am. This was voluntary therefore not in custody.

The parents are questioned til 10:30pm

LE is "fixated" on the window according to MSM at that time.

LE cancels the Amber Alert. IMHO, after investigating the window, LE knows that the abduction story is likely false. It was known when the Amber Alert was first broadcast it was to expire after 12 hours. This was at 7am it was started. At 7 am it was stated it was going to run until 7 pm. Nothing more - nothing less.

Oct 5th
Parents did not stay at the Lister house overnight between the 4th and the 5th. The parents were not allowed to stay there. It was being processed as a crime scene for 3-4 days.

At 12:00 noon they return to the Lister neighborhood and meet with family at a neighbor's house. Did the phones start pinging again during this time. Could somebody just not help themselves from looking at what was on the phones? Again, their house was being still processed - VOLUNTARILY.

They enter the backyard with LE and then remove some personal belongings from the house on Lister.
They knew they were not going to be able be in their house. LE allowed them in to get a few things to be able to function for a few days.
LE brought canines into the home.
Again - with consent.
LE removed several bags of evidence from the home.

At 3:30pm LE is searching the woods behind the house on ATV's. I think at this point LE knows this is no abduction and they know that the "scene" was close to home. This is after they have gone to all of the neighbors houses within the 1/3 mile radius. The woods are being scoured within this 1/3 mile radius at this time with metal detectors.

Oct 6th

Parent's have a "heated" discussion with LE. Parents are starting to understand that LE is not buying the story.

LE is searching Buckeye Park in a shoulder-to-shoulder search.
Again, within the 1/3 mile radius and with metal detectors

Parents are interviewed again by LE. Without representation.

JI speaks for the first time to the public about the cell phones.

JI says he needs a "break" and is let go. I can almost see how it went down. LE: So JI, she's over there spilling her guts. So she was cheating on you, huh? Were you spying on her phone? We understand, buddy. Is Lisa even yours? Just tell us. We get it. JI: Idk what you're talking about. LE: OK, you don't want to tell us about the phones. We have our polygrapher her today in the building. JI: Uh. . .OK . . .Gee, I think I need a break guys.

One hour later, LE announces that the parents are no longer cooperating.

LE shuts down the command center.

Oct 7th
It is announced that the parents have hired an attorney

LE is using metal detectors in their search around the Lister home.

This is not the first day the metal detectors are being used.

Sooooo. . .what I am wondering is if those phones could have started pinging again? Were they not pinging on the 4th? Did they mysteriously start pinging again on the 5th? Did LE question JI about this on the 6th? Did he refuse to take a LDT? Was LE determined to find those phones on the 7th? :waitasec: They could have started pinging again, sure. But they had metal detectors out from the very start. They were not looking for a baby with those.

ETA- I added some of my thoughts in red above.

Added facts above in purple.

 

[hambirg]

Originally Posted by hambirg
Going back and looking at some of the things in the early days of the investigation have been eye opening.

Consider that on. . .

Oct 4th
The parent's are "interviewed" by LE starting at 10:30am. They are not brought into custody, so I assume that means that interview happened in the home. They were at the police station for 8-11 hours that day. Not at the home. Live cameras at the time showed them leaving early in the am. This was voluntary therefore not in custody. That makes sense. I don't think it matters where they were.
The parents are questioned til 10:30pm

LE is "fixated" on the window according to MSM at that time.

LE cancels the Amber Alert. IMHO, after investigating the window, LE knows that the abduction story is likely false. It was known when the Amber Alert was first broadcast it was to expire after 12 hours. This was at 7am it was started. At 7 am it was stated it was going to run until 7 pm. Nothing more - nothing less. Why didn't they renew it if there was evidence of an abduction?

Oct 5th
Parents did not stay at the Lister house overnight between the 4th and the 5th. The parents were not allowed to stay there. It was being processed as a crime scene for 3-4 days.
I didn't say why. The important part is that they were not there. The reason is irrelevant.

At 12:00 noon they return to the Lister neighborhood and meet with family at a neighbor's house. Did the phones start pinging again during this time. Could somebody just not help themselves from looking at what was on the phones? Again, their house was being still processed - VOLUNTARILY. Again, irrelevant. The only important part is that it was the first time they were back in the neighborhood.

They enter the backyard with LE and then remove some personal belongings from the house on Lister.
They knew they were not going to be able be in their house. LE allowed them in to get a few things to be able to function for a few days. That's a given. The point is that is the first time they were back in the house.

LE brought canines into the home.
Again - with consent. Again, so. If we are going to assume JI was responsible, what difference does it make? If the dog hits than he can throw DB under the bus.

LE removed several bags of evidence from the home.

At 3:30pm LE is searching the woods behind the house on ATV's. I think at this point LE knows this is no abduction and they know that the "scene" was close to home. This is after they have gone to all of the neighbors houses within the 1/3 mile radius. The woods are being scoured within this 1/3 mile radius at this time with metal detectors. So you are saying that LE didn't have pings at that time? We were told LE knew the pings were within a 1/3 mile radius of the house.

Oct 6th

Parent's have a "heated" discussion with LE. Parents are starting to understand that LE is not buying the story.

LE is searching Buckeye Park in a shoulder-to-shoulder search.
Again, within the 1/3 mile radius and with metal detectors

Parents are interviewed again by LE. Without representation.

JI speaks for the first time to the public about the cell phones.

JI says he needs a "break" and is let go. I can almost see how it went down. LE: So JI, she's over there spilling her guts. So she was cheating on you, huh? Were you spying on her phone? We understand, buddy. Is Lisa even yours? Just tell us. We get it. JI: Idk what you're talking about. LE: OK, you don't want to tell us about the phones. We have our polygrapher her today in the building. JI: Uh. . .OK . . .Gee, I think I need a break guys.

One hour later, LE announces that the parents are no longer cooperating.

LE shuts down the command center.

Oct 7th
It is announced that the parents have hired an attorney

LE is using metal detectors in their search around the Lister home.

This is not the first day the metal detectors are being used. Do you have a link? It was the first time that I could find in MSM.

Sooooo. . .what I am wondering is if those phones could have started pinging again? Were they not pinging on the 4th? Did they mysteriously start pinging again on the 5th? Did LE question JI about this on the 6th? Did he refuse to take a LDT? Was LE determined to find those phones on the 7th? They could have started pinging again, sure. But they had metal detectors out from the very start. They were not looking for a baby with those.

ETA- I added some of my thoughts in red above.
Added facts above in purple.

My response in red.

 

[Sparklin]

Going back and looking at some of the things in the early days of the investigation have been eye opening.

Consider that on. . .

JI says he needs a "break" and is let go. I can almost see how it went down. LE: So JI, she's over there spilling her guts. So she was cheating on you, huh? Were you spying on her phone? We understand, buddy. Is Lisa even yours? Just tell us. We get it. JI: Idk what you're talking about. LE: OK, you don't want to tell us about the phones. We have our polygrapher her today in the building. JI: Uh. . .OK . . .Gee, I think I need a break guys.

One hour later, LE announces that the parents are no longer cooperating.

resp.snipped by me :

My thoughts have always been that Jeremy was up for a very long time by this point. He is stressed and tense and scared. LE is being aggressive ~ going back and forth between Jeremy and Deb, telling lies and/or half truths, blaming Deb etc...I can totally see that he needed a break and that police weren't satisfied with the responses they got so came out with 'they weren't cooperating.

 

[In da Middle]

What was the story early on about some bird house or something?

I'm trying to figure out if the trip to SB's was to stash the phones, where could have they been stashed? Did they search the cars on the 4th?

DeAnn posted video from the 4th just a couple of days ago showing them searching the vehicles.

The "story" about the birdhouses was that there was an image of the house being shown by non-local media that they grabbed off of the internet from a real estate sight (or similar, maybe google)showing the house without the bird house. It was then proven that the image was from around 2008 or so. The particular image showed the foliage of the area in full summer colors, not early fall.

 

[hambirg]

resp.snipped by me :

My thoughts have always been that Jeremy was up for a very long time by this point. He is stressed and tense and scared. LE is being aggressive ~ going back and forth between Jeremy and Deb, telling lies and/or half truths, blaming Deb etc...I can totally see that he needed a break and that police weren't satisfied with the responses they got so came out with 'they weren't cooperating.

But he wasn't. They were released at 10:30pm on the 4th. This interview was on the 5th.

All of what you said above applied to DB too. . .but she never asked for a break. In her own words, she just sat there and took it, never asked them to stop.

 

[hambirg]

DeAnn posted video from the 4th just a couple of days ago showing them searching the vehicles.

The "story" about the birdhouses was that there was an image of the house being shown by non-local media that they grabbed off of the internet from a real estate sight (or similar, maybe google)showing the house without the bird house. It was then proven that the image was from around 2008 or so. The particular image showed the foliage of the area in full summer colors, not early fall.

Thanks for this! I knew nothing about the birdhouse story, except that there was one. I did notice in some of the photos that all of the birdhouses had yellow crime scene tape around them. I'm sure LE looked at them.

 

[In da Middle]

My response in red.

I dont know of any link. I saw them with my own eyes. My neighbors and I were all stumped as to why they had the metal detectors out until it was stated about the phones. Then it made sense. They had the metal detectors out the very first day I think. It was long before the phones were made public though. We couldn't figure out what they were looking for with them and they weren't answering our questions about it either which made it even more puzzling.

 

[In da Middle]

Thanks for this! I knew nothing about the birdhouse story, except that there was one. I did notice in some of the photos that all of the birdhouses had yellow crime scene tape around them. I'm sure LE looked at them.

There is video of them looking in the bird houses on several searches. It was kind of funny because they looked in them so many times! Well it would have been funny if it wasn't so serious. Those gutters got cleaned out numerous times also.