Thought and theories on Jeremy

[vlpate]

http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/national/nbc-get-its-first-look-inside-the-irwin-home

This was AFTER the police had searched. There is no way they did not check the guns for ammo, serial # etc...In the Cyndi Short walk through, drawers were left open, so it's doubtful if they pulled those guns out of somewhere that they returned them to their original spot ~ they do NOT clean up after themselves. It's possible they laid them down after checking them out and the media propped them up, but for sure LE got to them first.

Those guns are not shown in any of the walk-through videos, nor are they pointed out in any of the walk-through videos. The only picture of the guns is a still - and the room is cleaned up.

The guns, IMO, and judging by both video tours, are a prop.

Why? Is someone trying to make us think maybe one of the boys got hold of a gun and shot Lisa and then DB covered it up? Which little boy?

These guns are places all nice and neat against a wall - notice where the fan is and how the baseball bat is touching the fan base in the "neat" picture.

No way to say the picture of the guns was before they searched - the NBC article states after the search. The disclaimer: "In the corner of the bedroom, there are two rifles leaning up against the wall, however it is unclear if those were moved during the search or not."

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http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/national/nbc-get-its-first-look-inside-the-irwin-home -- 00:44

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[In da Middle]

Those guns are not shown in any of the walk-through videos, nor are they pointed out in any of the walk-through videos. The only picture of the guns is a still - and the room is cleaned up.

The guns, IMO, and judging by both video tours, are a prop.

Why? Is someone trying to make us think maybe one of the boys got hold of a gun and shot Lisa and then DB covered it up? Which little boy?

These guns are places all nice and neat against a wall - notice where the fan is and how the baseball bat is touching the fan base in the "neat" picture.

No way to say the picture of the guns was before they searched - the NBC article states after the search. The disclaimer: "In the corner of the bedroom, there are two rifles leaning up against the wall, however it is unclear if those were moved during the search or not."

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10/23/2011 (GMA-TODAY): No cadaver dog hit on carpet in Lisa Irwin's parent's bedroom - YouTube -- 03:32

http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/national/nbc-get-its-first-look-inside-the-irwin-home -- 00:44

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This is wrong. They most certainly are shown in walk through videos. Here they are in the back plain as day in the Cyndy short video. .38 mark


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[In da Middle]

It could of been just an initial reaction by DB. Even then, it could of been where JI wasn't accusatory when he knocked on the door to look for her. SB doesn't know what DB told JI before he went to her house.

As far as them being still friends, they may still be in contact, not sure. RR mentioned that SB doesn't live there anymore, JB does (or did I get that mixed up)?

I don't JI had time to do anything with the phones, I really don't We don't know when JI knocked on the door but you got to figure that got SB's attention to where she came out of the house and JI was probably accounted for until he made the phone call. So it's not even the full 15 minutes before he called LE in order to conceal anything.

BBM
This is correct.

 

[hambirg]

In this interview Deb admits she was drunk but still Jeremy jumps in when Deb is asked a question. I thought at the time he was just defending Deb and her being drunk but you know I think he is really promoting that window as being the entry point.

ALEXANDER: When Jeremy got home just before 4 in the morning , he says he found the front door unlocked, several lights on, and a window screen tampered with. Police have tried to recreate how an abductor might have broken into the home through that window. Does it seem feasible to you that someone could have gotten in while you and your two boys were sleeping and you wouldn't have heard a thing?

Mr. IRWIN: Our bedroom is on the exact opposite corner of the house, and she sleeps with the fan on high.

Ms. BRADLEY: Yeah, but they must have been doing it much quieter than the police were.

Mr. IRWIN: Yeah, quieter.


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44927...m-i-was-drunk-when-she-vanished/#.T0gHbHorxXY

Exactly! And it's not just the window. . .it's the boys are heavy sleepers, the intruder took the phones "so we couldn't call anybody," the lights were all on. . "we" checked on her. .on and on.

Oh yeah. . .I was cleared. . .they didn't ask me to take a poly. . .:what:

JI=:liar:

 

[Sparklin]

The odd thing is JI has no problem with Phil, a 20 yr. old who some say has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Instead of JI/DB wanting to be soothed in the loving arms of a parent, they run to a kid's house and spend the month. This goes against every grain of thought regarding what a young parent would do in an emergency. The grandparents would nurture the young boy, be available for baby-sitting, cooking, laundry and the press.

This is one more oddity to add to the list. What was the reason they ran to Phil, a young man barely out of his teens? This flails in the face of logic. For Jeremy to allow this boy in at such a critical time in his life shows a closeness or trust in him. Exactly what does Phil N know about what happened on Oct.3? They had to do some talking while there.

The fact that neither parent wanted to be nurtured at this critical time sends up red flags. DB didn't even go to her Dad's or Grandpa's either.

The fact that Jeremy didn't even call his mother when Lisa vanished is unheard of. He must have real hatred for them. These two parents have some problems that we will hear about in the future. DB talking about completing "Our" family is just nonsense. JI rejects his family and I see no signs of him wanting Lisa to have a family...unless you consider five people, now four, closely tied inside of a house and not talking, except with attorneys and maybe Phil, "Family".

BBM 1&2 ~ We don't know that the elder Irwins ARE nurturing or soothing. Maybe they are cold and distant...then who would want to be in that environment at such a time.

BBM3 ~ When you say "these two parents", I'm assuming you mean J/D? For all we know, the same could be said for the elder Irwins.

 

[In da Middle]

BBM 1&2 ~ We don't know that the elder Irwins ARE nurturing or soothing. Maybe they are cold and distant...then who would want to be in that environment at such a time.

BBM3 ~ When you say "these two parents", I'm assuming you mean J/D? For all we know, the same could be said for the elder Irwins.

And Phil is also closer to the boys school. No other family is that I am aware of. That would make a difference to me.

 

[Sparklin]

Those guns are not shown in any of the walk-through videos, nor are they pointed out in any of the walk-through videos. The only picture of the guns is a still - and the room is cleaned up.

The guns, IMO, and judging by both video tours, are a prop.

Why? Is someone trying to make us think maybe one of the boys got hold of a gun and shot Lisa and then DB covered it up? Which little boy?

These guns are places all nice and neat against a wall - notice where the fan is and how the baseball bat is touching the fan base in the "neat" picture.

No way to say the picture of the guns was before they searched - the NBC article states after the search. The disclaimer: "In the corner of the bedroom, there are two rifles leaning up against the wall, however it is unclear if those were moved during the search or not."

Error 502 (Server Error)!!1 --- 00:38 seconds

10/23/2011 (GMA-TODAY): No cadaver dog hit on carpet in Lisa Irwin's parent's bedroom - YouTube -- 03:32

http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/national/nbc-get-its-first-look-inside-the-irwin-home -- 00:44

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I think we said the same thing

I don't think anyone would think the gun was used by or for anything, only because a) that would not be a couple hour clean up (trust me I know) and b) the gun wouldn't still be there after the LE search.

 

[Sparklin]

Here's one time it is said by LE he is verified as being at work until 3:30



http://www.kctv5.com/story/15940122/source-says-4-hour-window-for-abduction?clienttype=printable

There are more, but this was the first thing I came across.

Thanks for this!

 

[highflyer]

The odd thing is JI has no problem with Phil, a 20 yr. old who some say has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Instead of JI/DB wanting to be soothed in the loving arms of a parent, they run to a kid's house and spend the month. This goes against every grain of thought regarding what a young parent would do in an emergency. The grandparents would nurture the young boy, be available for baby-sitting, cooking, laundry and the press.

This is one more oddity to add to the list. What was the reason they ran to Phil, a young man barely out of his teens? This flails in the face of logic. For Jeremy to allow this boy in at such a critical time in his life shows a closeness or trust in him. Exactly what does Phil N know about what happened on Oct.3? They had to do some talking while there.

The fact that neither parent wanted to be nurtured at this critical time sends up red flags. DB didn't even go to her Dad's or Grandpa's either.

The fact that Jeremy didn't even call his mother when Lisa vanished is unheard of. He must have real hatred for them. These two parents have some problems that we will hear about in the future. DB talking about completing "Our" family is just nonsense. JI rejects his family and I see no signs of him wanting Lisa to have a family...unless you consider five people, now four, closely tied inside of a house and not talking, except with attorneys and maybe Phil, "Family".

Don't really see the fact that they didn't move in with the Grandparents odd. I love my parents but wouldn't of gone to stay with them either.

 

[hambirg]

Thanks for this!

I know this may be really subtle, BUT that article clearly states at the beginning. . .

Here are the details of Oct. 3 and Oct. 4 as provided by the source this week:
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15940122/source-says-4-hour-window-for-abduction?clienttype=printable

That is NOT coming from LE.

It is from the source. . .and we know from Jim Spellman that that source was BS, who did not want to be named as the source.

I don't believe that LE has ever said that JI was seen on tape for the entire time he was allegedly at work.

MOO

ETA-I kinda like the way that source pun turned out. :lol:

 

[norest4thewicked]

I know this may be really subtle, BUT that article clearly states at the beginning. . .

Here are the details of Oct. 3 and Oct. 4 as provided by the source this week:
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15940122/source-says-4-hour-window-for-abduction?clienttype=printable

That is NOT coming from LE.

It is from the source. . .and we know from Jim Spellman that that source was BS, who did not want to be named as the source.

I don't believe that LE has ever said that JI was seen on tape for the entire time he was allegedly at work.

MOO

ETA-I kinda like the way that source pun turned out. :lol:

Yes...this was an "anonymous" source. They also reported that there was a 4 hour time frame in which Lisa went missing. We know that's not true either.

 

[vlpate]

This is wrong. They most certainly are shown in walk through videos. Here they are in the back plain as day in the Cyndy short video. .38 markView attachment 20971


Attorney Gives Tour Of Missing Baby's Home - YouTube

I don't see them, especially plain as day - It's obvious all sorts of things were moved around in these videos - from closing drawers to laundry baskets, tv tray table, pictures moved. ALL AFTER the searches.

The picture of the guns by themselves with the baseball bat and fan is supposed to be after the search - the room is obviously in a different state of disarray when the video with Peter and Cynthia were done.

I don't see the baseball bat either. Anyone watching these videos and looking at the stills has to see all the moving around of things,

Makes m wonder if the diapers weren't planted - you know, for the poop and cadaver dog theory.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Yes...this was an "anonymous" source. They also reported that there was a 4 hour time frame in which Lisa went missing. We know that's not true either.

That is disgusting that KCTV put that story out without naming the source knowing who he worked for and what he was doing there.

The source requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

You can't trust a single thing in it.

 

[norest4thewicked]

That is disgusting that KCTV put that story out without naming the source knowing who he worked for and what he was doing there.

The source requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

You can't trust a single thing in it.

Yep...and that's the way it goes. I don't believe that JI was on camera at work the entire time.

 

[melissasmom]

I don't see them, especially plain as day - It's obvious all sorts of things were moved around in these videos - from closing drawers to laundry baskets, tv tray table, pictures moved. ALL AFTER the searches.

The picture of the guns by themselves with the baseball bat and fan is supposed to be after the search - the room is obviously in a different state of disarray when the video with Peter and Cynthia were done.

I don't see the baseball bat either. Anyone watching these videos and looking at the stills has to see all the moving around of things,

Makes m wonder if the diapers weren't planted - you know, for the poop and cadaver dog theory.

Huh. I see them, right behind her.

 

[askfornina]

Huh. I see them, right behind her.

here is another screenshot, from the GMA Cyndy Short video.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

My thought is JI was never asked to take a poly, he has a sufficient alibi and that after many hours of LE trying to get him to roll over on DB he said I've had enough, I need a break from this. (Subject to change with evidence that proves otherwise).

 

[DeAnn]

I don't believe LE ever said Jeremy was on video that night - at least not publicly. I'm not sure where this even originated....not saying they (LE), do or don't, just that they have never said it.

You are right. The key word in this particular case is "publicly."

 

[norest4thewicked]

You are right. The key word in this particular case is "publicly."

That's good enough for me. I'd prefer to hear about it from a real source, rather than an anonymous one. I'm positive that if LE didn't say it publicly, that they didn't say it to anyone, and that they don't have video of JI on camera.

 

[vlpate]

You are right. The key word in this particular case is "publicly."

Like Stanton didn't say "publicly" that Samantha saw Lisa at 4:30 and her daughter saw Lisa at 6:30. Stanton is not "close to the case". He is close to media and Tacopina.