Thought and theories on Jeremy

[Elley Mae]

Some articles I found

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-fbi-searches-landfill/story?id=14688581

"From the start when they've questioned me, once I couldn't fill in gaps, it turned into 'You did it, you did it

Bradley also said police accused her of failing a polygraph test

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/227...ygraph-accuse-cooperate-cooperating-amber.htm

'Guys, I can't do this anymore today, I need a break, (and) I can't answer any more questions,''' Irwin, 28, told Lauer

We want to make sure that we tell everybody that we're still cooperating

Police told her she failed, but Bradley did not recall which questions she was believed to have answered falsely.

Irwin told Lauer he had not been asked to take a lie detector test, which prompted the host to ask if he would be willing to do so. Irwin gave an affirmative, is somewhat vague, response.

 

[Sparklin]

It rubs me the wrong way that the wife/owner says that she "knows" BL was there because she heard her in the background. Puhleeze! Ten month olds babble and that is about it. Why she can be so sure she heard BL idk. It's not like she answered the phone and said, "Hi, this is Lisa. Let me get my dad."

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know when there is a baby in the room - as you said they babble and make noises that older children don't. Why would this woman lie about that??? Just another one of Jeremy and Debs protectors??

If she had said that it was totally silent when she spoke to Jeremy everyone would be quite happy to state that the baby wasn't 'around' at that time and take it at face value.

I don't see any reason why she would lie...

 

[norest4thewicked]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know when there is a baby in the room - as you said they babble and make noises that older children don't. Why would this woman lie about that??? Just another one of Jeremy and Debs protectors??

If she had said that it was totally silent when she spoke to Jeremy everyone would be quite happy to state that the baby wasn't 'around' at that time and take it at face value.

I don't see any reason why she would lie...

I must not be a rocket scientist then...(thankfully...that seems like a boring job)!

I don't think you can always know if there is a baby in the room on the telephone. There are many factors, including loud little boys. IF there was no other noise in the background than Lisa making baby noises, then this might be true. But, it's not enough for me to say that Lisa was there if this is the only report out there that appears to claim that Lisa was there at that time. I am not accusing the bosses wife of lying, but after all, she is JI's friend. He is her husbands only employee. She may have heard children in the background and just assumed she heard Lisa. She could have been mistaken.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Watch Jeremy at the end of this interview. He has no problem talking about the upcoming DP show - saying everyone should watch, but when asked about Lisa, he has to go.

What if it comes out that he had something to do with this - what will that mean for him and his actions, as viewed by the public? Is he being quiet because he knows it's just a matter of time before he's caught and anything he's said will come back to haunt him?

Not saying this is the case, but you have to admit, freaky.

1st BBM: :seeya: Good catch ! And how "convenient for Jeremy -- he can talk about his "cameo" on the DP Show -- but NOT his MISSING BABY ? So HINKY !

And it is Jeremy's response -- or LACK of response -- that makes me believe that he had 'something' to do with Baby Lisa going "missing" -- and participated in the cover-up ...

All JMO and MOO ...

 

[cityslick]

I must not be a rocket scientist then...(thankfully...that seems like a boring job)!

I don't think you can always know if there is a baby in the room on the telephone. There are many factors, including loud little boys. IF there was no other noise in the background than Lisa making baby noises, then this might be true. But, it's not enough for me to say that Lisa was there if this is the only report out there that appears to claim that Lisa was there at that time. I am not accusing the bosses wife of lying, but after all, she is JI's friend. He is her husbands only employee. She may have heard children in the background and just assumed she heard Lisa. She could have been mistaken.

I still go back to, if BL was gone for an extended period of time (meaning the whole day on Oct. 3rd), that means there are multiple people covering up. This would include (obviously) the parents, PN, SB, the boys (because at some point they would become aware the baby wasn't around and this would come out in the interviews with LE), and whoever else was in and out of that house that day.

Stranger things have happened, but that's a lot of people, some of whom are not even family (SB) to be covering up the disappearance of a toddler. Plus, lets look at the behavior that evening. Went to the store casually to buy wine, SB went to the store casually to buy alcohol, JI went to work casually, PN left the house casually, etc, etc, etc. You can't just hide/dispose of a baby and nobody notices it. Either they are in on it or they were told a story about where she is, another thing that would of came out via LE interrogations of all these people.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

:seeya:

Just caught up reading here ... very interesting comments :rocker: ... IMO, it is clear that Jeremy is "hiding something" -- but what that "something" is I am just not sure -- what was his "involvement" in what happened to Baby Lisa ?

I still believe that IF LE can get Jeremy alone -- he will "crack" !

IF not, LE needs to do like a "sting" on Jeremy -- KWIM ?

Maybe it will take some :needdrink: to "loosen Jeremy's lips" ...

:waitasec: I wonder IF Deb ever lets Jeremy "out of her sight" ? IF so, LE needs to "get him alone" ...

MOO ...

 

[GoodGurl]

Has anyone (other than LE, presumably) asked JI when was the last time he saw Lisa awake? I couldn't believe Dr.Phil didn't.

 

[lonetraveler]

If he's not involved, he sure is behaving like he is. No normal person would be so forgiving to the person who lost their child while drunk.

...of course I did say normal, didn't I?

I agree. At least Ronald Cummings put on an act of being angry with Misty on the 911 call so that the 911 operator could hear. Ronald held onto Misty like a drowning man with the last life preserver for days afterward and then married her.

IMO, both Jeremy and Deborah are bound together to keep the all important secret of what happened to Lisa. They are in this together.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I still go back to, if BL was gone for an extended period of time (meaning the whole day on Oct. 3rd), that means there are multiple people covering up. This would include (obviously) the parents, PN, SB, the boys (because at some point they would become aware the baby wasn't around and this would come out in the interviews with LE), and whoever else was in and out of that house that day.

Stranger things have happened, but that's a lot of people, some of whom are not even family (SB) to be covering up the disappearance of a toddler. Plus, lets look at the behavior that evening. Went to the store casually to buy wine, SB went to the store casually to buy alcohol, JI went to work casually, PN left the house casually, etc, etc, etc. You can't just hide/dispose of a baby and nobody notices it. Either they are in on it or they were told a story about where she is, another thing that would of came out via LE interrogations of all these people.

First of all, a baby still takes naps and at her age she should still be taking 2 a day, but at least 1. Do we KNOW that they had visitors that day? Because I haven't heard one single person coming forward to say that they actually SAW Lisa that day except SB and a 4 year old. If Lisa was "sleeping" during the time that SB "saw" her, that doesn't fly for me. Neither does the sighting from the 4 year old. As far as the boys, I'm assuming that they were in school for most of the day. If they were told that she was asleep when they got home and then got involved with watching a movie with SB's daughter, I can't see little boys that age even realizing the baby is not around. If she wasn't there for a few days, maybe they would ask, but I just don't see it if it happened in one day.

We never were told that PN was actually inside the house.

BBM - You must be kidding on this one. People dispose of full sized adult bodies all the time and are never seen. A baby would be easy to dispose of. I'm not saying they did it in broad daylight.

As far as JI and DB acting "casually", do you remember the video of Casey Anthony in the days following the "kidnapping" of Caylee? If people are trying to cover up a death, their acting casually would be part of the cover up. Surely they wouldn't be acting all weird around everyone?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

:seeya:

Just caught up reading here ... very interesting comments :rocker: ... IMO, it is clear that Jeremy is "hiding something" -- but what that "something" is I am just not sure -- what was his "involvement" in what happened to Baby Lisa ?

I still believe that IF LE can get Jeremy alone -- he will "crack" !

IF not, LE needs to do like a "sting" on Jeremy -- KWIM ?

Maybe it will take some :needdrink: to "loosen Jeremy's lips" ...

:waitasec: I wonder IF Deb ever lets Jeremy "out of her sight" ? IF so, LE needs to "get him alone" ...

MOO ...

What I find interesting is with all of these comments you didn't see a theory that supports your feeling that Jeremy is involved in something to do with Lisa's disappearance.

 

[cityslick]

First of all, a baby still takes naps and at her age she should still be taking 2 a day, but at least 1. Do we KNOW that they had visitors that day? Because I haven't heard one single person coming forward to say that they actually SAW Lisa that day except SB and a 4 year old. If Lisa was "sleeping" during the time that SB "saw" her, that doesn't fly for me. Neither does the sighting from the 4 year old. As far as the boys, I'm assuming that they were in school for most of the day. If they were told that she was asleep when they got home and then got involved with watching a movie with SB's daughter, I can't see little boys that age even realizing the baby is not around. If she wasn't there for a few days, maybe they would ask, but I just don't see it if it happened in one day.

We never were told that PN was actually inside the house.

BBM - You must be kidding on this one. People dispose of full sized adult bodies all the time and are never seen. A baby would be easy to dispose of. I'm not saying they did it in broad daylight.

As far as JI and DB acting "casually", do you remember the video of Casey Anthony in the days following the "kidnapping" of Caylee? If people are trying to cover up a death, their acting casually would be part of the cover up. Surely they wouldn't be acting all weird around everyone?

You haven't heard anything because LE has not disclosed anything of any of the interrogations they did with SB/PN/boys in the house and those folks have not made public comments to the media. So where else are you going to hear it from? This case, more than any other case I can think of, is proof positive that the public at large, the forum posters on this board, know but a fraction of the information in this case. Ron Rugen's comments about what he has discovered is proof of this. From the very beginning, the viewpoint of many in this case is that if it hasn't been reported in the media, it didn't happen. Nobody knows anything that happened Oct. 3rd because it hasn't been reported on. It doesn't mean BL wasn't alive or nobody saw BL. Different sources (SB and the boss' wife) said they heard or saw BL and you don't believe it. Who else is going to tell you about BL except the people that were there and LE?

 

[hambirg]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know when there is a baby in the room - as you said they babble and make noises that older children don't. Why would this woman lie about that??? Just another one of Jeremy and Debs protectors??

If she had said that it was totally silent when she spoke to Jeremy everyone would be quite happy to state that the baby wasn't 'around' at that time and take it at face value.

I don't see any reason why she would lie...

I don't think she is lying per se. I think she heard children in the background or maybe crying.

It's the way she said it. .. she KNOWS. I don't think it's safe to say that unless you saw the child. SB's daughter was supposedly over there when the call happened. Maybe it was her she heard.

I just think in a case like this, it would be one thing to say you heard children or crying, but to say you KNOW is an entire different animal.

Just for example, not saying it's true, but how does she know JI wasn't at McDonald's or any other place you would hear kids in the background? Hell, he could be playing a video with BL babbling on it.

The point is, she wasn't there. She knows what she thought she heard, but unless she was there, she doesn't KNOW.

MOO

 

[hambirg]

You haven't heard anything because LE has not disclosed anything of any of the interrogations they did with SB/PN/boys in the house and those folks have not made public comments to the media. So where else are you going to hear it from? This case, more than any other case I can think of, is proof positive that the public at large, the forum posters on this board, know but a fraction of the information in this case. Ron Rugen's comments about what he has discovered is proof of this. From the very beginning, the viewpoint of many in this case is that if it hasn't been reported in the media, it didn't happen. Nobody knows anything that happened Oct. 3rd because it hasn't been reported on. It doesn't mean BL wasn't alive or nobody saw BL. Different sources (SB and the boss' wife) said they heard or saw BL and you don't believe it. Who else is going to tell you about BL except the people that were there and LE?

Just to be clear, SB has never told anybody anything (we know she spoke with LE, of course). If there were credible sightings of BL say after 5pm, why would LE accuse JI of doing something to her while he was home on his break? Why even go there if they know it's not possible when all they are doing is trying to find out what happened to a missing baby?

 

[melissasmom]

Just bringing this over from the other thread (Ron Rugen questions) as it was getting off topic. Here is an interview with Jeremy's parents. To me they don't seem like people who had never met Lisa. They said she was beautiful and full of life, laughter, and love. Guess they could have made that up from a picture, but until I see a link stating that they had never met her, I am going to say they probably had.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44784...m-missing-mo-girl-we-just-want-our-baby-back/

Not that I think matters in the grand scheme of things. JMO

 

[vlpate]

What is wrong with small business? Many businesses start out with no employees and work their way up one at a time. :waitasec:

I think Whisper's point was the phone, not an aspersion on small business.

 

[cityslick]

Just to be clear, SB has never told anybody anything (we know she spoke with LE, of course). If there were credible sightings of BL say after 5pm, why would LE accuse JI of doing something to her while he was home on his break? Why even go there if they know it's not possible when all they are doing is trying to find out what happened to a missing baby?

BBM

Hold a sec, LE accused JI of doing something to BL?

 

[melissasmom]

First of all, a baby still takes naps and at her age she should still be taking 2 a day, but at least 1. Do we KNOW that they had visitors that day? Because I haven't heard one single person coming forward to say that they actually SAW Lisa that day except SB and a 4 year old. If Lisa was "sleeping" during the time that SB "saw" her, that doesn't fly for me. Neither does the sighting from the 4 year old. As far as the boys, I'm assuming that they were in school for most of the day. If they were told that she was asleep when they got home and then got involved with watching a movie with SB's daughter, I can't see little boys that age even realizing the baby is not around. If she wasn't there for a few days, maybe they would ask, but I just don't see it if it happened in one day.

We never were told that PN was actually inside the house.

BBM - You must be kidding on this one. People dispose of full sized adult bodies all the time and are never seen. A baby would be easy to dispose of. I'm not saying they did it in broad daylight.

As far as JI and DB acting "casually", do you remember the video of Casey Anthony in the days following the "kidnapping" of Caylee? If people are trying to cover up a death, their acting casually would be part of the cover up. Surely they wouldn't be acting all weird around everyone?

But, if you believe they truly LOVED Lisa, then yes, I would have to say they would indeed act very weird, not casual at all. If you loved your child and they died from an accident, I would think you would be devastated, whether you tried to hide that death or not. Or at the very least your guilty conscience would show.

However, if you think that Lisa was killed by JI/and or DB on purpose, then yes, they probably could act very casual, because they would probably be sociopaths (ie Casey, who I don't think loved her daughter, so she had no problem going about her business).

 

[vlpate]

I am speculating that Jeremy has his own phone for work. He wouldn't hook it up with DB's. It is too important. It was working just fine all evening and that morning as he used it to call 911.

I'm also speculating that only one phone was cut off and that was DB's phone. She knew it was coming and borrowed Gramp's phone the night before. Ever notice the attorney spin addresses just one phone...only Deb's, never any other?

Yes, Jeremy had a work phone. By all accounts, both their personal cells were cut off - which I imagine were on a family plan.

The grandfather's phone was just a phone without service - David Netz, DB's father, stated the phone service was transferred the next day, from DB's broken phone to the grandfather's phone. The next day would have been Monday, October 3rd.

This makes no sense if she knew the phones were going to be cut off. Maybe only Jeremy knew they would be cut off - he probably pays the bills. If he had the main phone, he would know the cut off date.

Scenario: JI knew the phones were getting cut off and that's why he borrowed the phone from his boss. DB would not be able to call anyone right away if something happened.

1st night to work late
Phones cut off that day
SB and JB break up - JB moves out
JB has no real alibi from 11:30 - 6:00 am
JB texts his wife three minutes after DB goes in
Dumpster fire
Sean B. moves into house 2 doors down and chats with the (ahem) ladies on the stoop - hears and sees nothing (except for noise in the back of his grandmother's house)
It's adult time night
Two sightings of men carrying a baby
Jersey is seen in the neighborhood earlier that day
phone call made in the middle of the night is to Jersey's girlfriend's phone
Girlfriend admits she and Jersey took shortcut through the neighborhood often
Jeremy, knowing the phones are off, calls to tell DB he is going to be late - brain flatulence or excuse for the call being on the work phone record?

Lots of coinkydinks, IMO

 

[hambirg]

BBM

Hold a sec, LE accused JI of doing something to BL?

Yes, it's in one of the early videos (around the time DB was saying she failed the poly). The link is up thread somewhere.

 

[cityslick]

Yes, Jeremy had a work phone. By all accounts, both their personal cells were cut off - which I imagine were on a family plan.

The grandfather's phone was just a phone without service - David Netz, DB's father, stated the phone service was transferred the next day, from DB's broken phone to the grandfather's phone. The next day would have been Monday, October 3rd.

This makes no sense if she knew the phones were going to be cut off. Maybe only Jeremy knew they would be cut off - he probably pays the bills. If he had the main phone, he would know the cut off date.

Scenario: JI knew the phones were getting cut off and that's why he borrowed the phone from his boss. DB would not be able to call anyone right away if something happened.

1st night to work late
Phones cut off that day
SB and JB break up - JB moves out
JB has no real alibi from 11:30 - 6:00 am
JB texts his wife three minutes after DB goes in
Dumpster fire
Sean B. moves into house 2 doors down and chats with the (ahem) ladies on the stoop - hears and sees nothing (except for noise in the back of his grandmother's house)
It's adult time night
Two sightings of men carrying a baby
Jersey is seen in the neighborhood earlier that day
phone call made in the middle of the night is to Jersey's girlfriend's phone
Girlfriend admits she and Jersey took shortcut through the neighborhood often
Jeremy, knowing the phones are off, calls to tell DB he is going to be late - brain flatulence or excuse for the call being on the work phone record?

Lots of coinkydinks, IMO

I agree, but not all of them are coincidences created by the parents. The dumpster fire, Jersey, sightings, MW and Jersey took a shortcut, etc, all of those are out of their control.