Thoughts regarding the PCSO Investigation of Haleigh

[redfish]

Okay, I'm gonna say it. I've been biting my tongue so long I have two of them. LE WANTED the Anthony case solved - I have no such expectations for Putnam County. In my opinion, there's a reasons they can't afford to.

'Course this is just a thought of mine from what I've gleaned here and there, no proof and no reasons to take me seriously. 'Course we ain't seen any solutions yet, but we have seen a lot of no convictions/jail time for some. Maybe there's a HUGE elephant in someone's living room?

My opinion only, for what it's worth

Trident, are you from Florida? LOL I really do hear what you are saying here. Being from Florida (living elsewhere now) I understand the suspicion of this especially in the smaller communities. But in this case I have to disagree. The reason is that I can relate also from another angle. My oldest is a Detective in another part of Florida. We talk a lot and I some times follow his cases here at WS. Because I live far away he feels he can talk freely at times to me. They hold alot of things very very close. Sometimes it takes years to make a case that they get from the very start. Knowing and proving in a court of law are two very different things. I think, that Le knows way more than they can say in this case. They have no body, not much in the way of crime scene evidence... They have to lock this down ESP tight to make it stick all the way to the end of a trial. JMO

 

[Donjeta]

Haleigh's case does not have anywhere near the national interest that Casey's case did/does.

If you google Haleigh Cummings it comes back with just shy of 400k hits. Caylee Anthony comes back with 561k, but Casey Anthony comes back with 8+ MILLION.

Sickening isn't it?

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I'm sure you're right that Casey gets more media attention as her zillions of pages of doc dumps are all examined in detail. Alive criminals have more new news about them than dead children who aren't doing anything newsworthy anymore, sadly. But I think that some of the extra google hits she gets are explained because Casey is a more common name than Caylee or Haleigh (I think). In addition to the child murderer stories the search engine finds all the pages where Anthony Casey took photos, Casey and Anthony got married, Tom Casey and Mary Anthony graduated in the same class and so on.

 

[Trident]

Haleigh's case does not have anywhere near the national interest that Casey's case did/does.

If you google Haleigh Cummings it comes back with just shy of 400k hits. Caylee Anthony comes back with 561k, but Casey Anthony comes back with 8+ MILLION.

Sickening isn't it?

But, that is why they will haul their buts into the courtroom and report from outside the courtroom (and Casey is more local to the bigger stations), but they aren't going to hike out to Putnam and spend the time and money to do a live feed of the Cummings case if they aren't going get big numbers back in the process.

I think LE wants this case solved. If they didn't all of these idiots wouldn't be in jail on drug charges, Lisa wouldn't have been extradited. When everyone is lying and there is no physical evidence or a definitive crime scene they can't perform miracles.

BBM. So, LE extradited a poor, pathetic, drug-addicted woman. Horray, I'm not impressed. What does impress me is how RC was allowed to walk on so many charges - I have personal knowledges of others who've done that, snitches all, leaned on by LE, or getting something out of it.

I can't say anyone is LE really doesn't want this case solved, but I CAN say I see no signs of it. Right from the get go, throwing the bedding on the ramp, the dumpster comedy, to the present day, I see room for a lot of imjprovement. Makes me wonder what LE training they've had and if they all forgot it.

Drugs are BIG money, Putnam County is poor. I don't add real good, but 2 + 2 sometimes equals 4.

My OPINION only, and it would be wonderful if I were wrong - again, I see no signs of it.

 

[Trident]

Are you kidding me?? LE does not want to solve the case? they are being to quiet?

Until you are either a Cop yourself Or married to one ( as I am ) then I don't think you should judge these LE's emoctions. I can't count how many days my husband has came home and looked numb. NO tears etc just numb and it was not until later I found out why. He was heart broken in side as he had been dealing with a child's case that was abused/ missing/ murdered etc. I just can't imagine what he feels and wont try to.

My husband is a big guy and most think he is emoctionless but yet its not that at all. He is just scared of showing his emoctions. If he cries he is told he has to many emoctions can't handle the job. If he shows no emoctions he is told he is heartless and does not show enough. He is judged time after time after time and honestly it makes me sick.

Your hubby sounds like one of the good guys - I wish they all were. I had a relative who was a detective, a good guy too, BUT, a man with a family...or a guy like Drew Peterson...Serpico anyone?

My opinion only

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

lol...Before a target is placed on my forehead, I only have questions about one, what appears to me to be a friendship between Ron and one of the Detectives. I'm NOT slamming the entire group of LE working on this case. They have their hands full on this case. I think under the circumstances they have done well. But if my assessment is correct, I can see how they may have been led down the wrong path.

Yep, that relationship has always bothered me.

 

[epiphany]

I believe with everything in me that LE wants Haleigh found and this case solved. They were dealing with people who wouldn't talk. So they found a way to hang them all on these drug charges and put the pressure on. I believe there is a very personal need on the part of the investigators to solve this case. I don't see anything but pain in Sheriff Hardy's eyes when he holds up a picture of Haleigh and says, this is about her. He wants justice for Haleigh. MOO

I strongly agree with you that LE wants the H case solved. Misty should have abandoned her twisted love story with Ron. Ron is deeply disturbed - with or without the H homicide. No one gets any plea deals on the drug/trafficking charges unless they spill on the H homicide. Doesn't matter who had the smallest role/s in H death, they will all serve more time on these drug/trafficking charges than they would otherwise due to the H homicide. I am not saying whether that is right or wrong, only that I believe, "It is, what it is."

Ron is a small-time dealer. Who cares? Small, medium or big. Ridiculous already. Reputation of the community smeared by the drug/trafficking going on - exposed to the entire nation in the midst of the media's coverage of the H homicide - derailed by the drug/trafficking problems of the individuals. The community and officials cannot be pleased.

IMO, they can calmly state one thing has nothing to do with the other - I don't believe it. The individuals with the best defense attorneys will get the best deals on the drug/trafficking charges, but only after they spill on the H homicide.

 

[6angels]

Your hubby sounds like one of the good guys - I wish they all were. I had a relative who was a detective, a good guy too, BUT, a man with a family...or a guy like Drew Peterson...Serpico anyone?

My opinion only

so you think someone in the department hurt Haleigh or someone in their family did? Maybe I am a bit lost.

 

[Trident]

so you think someone in the department hurt Haleigh or someone in their family did? Maybe I am a bit lost.

Never said that.

What I am saying is - I smell a rat, because RC has walked on so many charges and so many balls have been dropped in this case and it kinda makes me wonder why.

My opinion only

 

[4Jacy]

I totally agree.. And IMHO.. I've said it for months and will continue to say it... Putnam County needs a Buford Pusser.. And they need one NOW...
Just my humble opinion on this entire convoluted case that could have been solved a year ago if LE had really wanted to do so...JMO

EM, or a Mark Fuhrman. And as far as the drug dealings in Putnam County, why did LE let it get to this stage of saturation? Why didn't RC do any time for any of his previous charges? If he was let off for his charges, how many others were? JMO

 

[Trident]

EM, or a Mark Fuhrman. And as far as the drug dealings in Putnam County, why did LE let it get to this stage of saturation? Why didn't RC do any time for any of his previous charges? If he was let off for his charges, how many others were? JMO

Excellent question!

 

[grandmaj]

LE can only arrest drug suspects. And they chase them constantly every shift every day every night. Arrests for drugs frequent and many on every shift. Florida is notorious for drugs. Not just PC. Add lack of employment, a depressed economy, a transient population and it worsens the problem.

The court and bond system has a revolving door. LE arrests and they are bonded in minutes. It isn't the fault of Law Enforcement. They do what they can. The judges need to start enforcing mandatory sentences and the bonds need to be increased IMO.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Well, if Ron Cummings has friends in LE, they aren't doing him any good as he is going away for at least 15 and more likely 25 years for drug trafficking. He will be a middle-aged man when he get out. The people who are wrecking the Gulf of Mexico, the people who crashed the economy and screwed up the financial lives of millions, the economic titans who make millions from the drug money invested in American banks, etc., will never do a day in jail. This idea that Ron gets a pass from LE has never made any sense. Many low-level drug dealers, gang bangers, small-time criminals and thugs go through the revolving door of American justice every single day. It's more obvious, perhaps, in larger cities that drug dealers and other low-life thugs go in and out of jail for short periods of time. Ron's previous arrests have been, more or less, at this penny-ante level. And he was still a relatively young man and could take advantage of the leniency of the courts regarding people in their early 20s.

A defense attorney once told me that the worst thing that can happen to someone is getting on the radar screen of LE and the justice system. Haleigh's disappearance put anyone who knew her on that radar screen, whether or not the person had a prior history of arrests or imprisonment. Ron was on the radar screen and was too stupid to stop his behavior. Hence, he is now facing the consequences.

What I also don't understand is the derogatory remarks about "snitches." We either want people to cooperate with LE or not. If Ron is telling what he knows about drug trafficking, he will be doing what most people do when they are involved in a plea deal. It's a DEAL because both sides have to give something. The greatest proportion of people who go to prison go there as a result of a deal.

None of this means that Ron knows who took Haleigh. It certainly doesn't mean that anyone else would be so foolish as to continue to cover up for a man facing 25 years for a DIFFERENT crime.

 

[TxLady2]

ALL of you make good points, I have to say that.

6Aangels, my son is one of the good guys too, but unfortunately he's not in Putnam Co.

It is possible that one bad cop could be trying to mess up the whole investigation. But I don't think that is the case here because unless this "bad" cop is heading the investigation, how could he steer the rest of them in the wrong direction? Remember, it's not just one or two working it, it's a whole team of them.

I also don't think Ronald or his family have that much pull in the whole state of FL. That would make it seem like his family is with the mafia or something.

NO department in any jurisdiction wants to have unsolved cases on their books, it makes them look bad. And when cases go unsolved a long time, the team usually gets called to the boss's office and the boss will ask why it hasn't moved forward. Every detective has a boss... and the boss even has a boss. So one bad cop couldn't reasonably screw it up, unless they're all bad.

I could be wrong, but I do think PCSO wants it solved, and I think the crazy bunch of folks they're dealing with are the ones messing it up... not the investigators. JMO. It's also possible that they have asked the SA to charge somebody and they're refused, told them to go find more evidence.

I'm just throwing out ideas here, I really don't know. Wish I did... but I have to believe they're trying, otherwise it's too horrible to think about.

 

[Maryann123]

My sister and son-in-law are both good-guys. My sister was up for employee of the year for making one of the biggest drug busts in our county, only to get beat out by a garbage collector. We don't give our LE the credit they are due, but I can tell you that there are men and women in this business, that just put in their hours and go home. It's sad that a few give the rest a bad name! I don't know enough about Putnam or St John's to say if they are really doing their jobs. If they aren't looking closer at RC, they are not doing their jobs! If they have pressured TOC into giving this BS story, then this case will never be solved. I'm just sick over what I'm hearing. I don't believe they are any closer to solving this case than they were 15 months ago. Whatever happened to calling in criminal profilers? What about asking for help from the FBI? I don't think they have a clue about what they're doing. I hope I'm wrong!

 

[lorann]

Early on when we had more locals posting, this was brought up several times. The locals said they had the utmost faith in this detective - I feel if there was anything at all questionable, they would have said so.

We have all suspected that when certain people are arrested with drug charges, they are encouraged to give names of those higher to lessen their charges. This is done everywhere, every day. The players in this case probably do have a history with this detective for those reasons.

I am keeping the faith in LE in Putnam Co., look at the hours and dollars spent on the searches alone. I sure wish justice would have been served much sooner, but I think it will be.

 

[krkrjx]

EM, or a Mark Fuhrman. And as far as the drug dealings in Putnam County, why did LE let it get to this stage of saturation? Why didn't RC do any time for any of his previous charges? If he was let off for his charges, how many others were? JMO

My thoughts, exactly.

Truth is, the perps in that area of the world know they can get away with a lot. There needs to be bigger fines, higher bails, more accountability and restrictions put on those offered probation or rehab, etc. In other words, there has to be consequences for one's actions, and Putnam County had dropped the ball in that regard for far too long.

Ron C. never had to pay the piper. His punishment was insignificant at best and taught him nothing about how to behave in society. For him, Putnam County courts had a revolving door; he felt invincible, and prosecutors did nothing to quash that. IMO. had the County not been such an enabler to Ron C., for so long, little Haleigh might not have met with harm.

Yes, LE wants the case solved, and no doubt they regret not having been able to do so to date. However, I bet they regret even more that they did little to prevent the crime in the first place.

IMO.

 

[krkrjx]

In a homicide case, arrests often do not happen immediately due to the severity of the charge and the fact that murder/homicide cases have no statute of limitations....it's always better to do it later and do it right than to be in such a hurry that the perp gets acquitted for lack of evidence.

As far as Haleigh's case, I think LE knows what happened, but likely the SA's office is not ready to go with the evidence as is--they want a reasonable chance at a conviction before they charge anyone because once someone is acquitted, the state does not get a do-over.

I believe LE in Putnam County is decent and hard-working, for the most part. I think they try, and when perps get off with deals or just a slap on the wrist, it is a problem with the courts and the prosecutors, not LE.

 

[lonetraveler]

There have been times when I find myself thinking that LE, and maybe the entire Putnam County community is terrified of RC. It might be silly to attribute such power to the guy, but Ron's a scary man, and it wouldn't surprise me if he truly wields that kind of intimidation over others. jmo

Just to bounce off of your post, here. I don't think LE is terrified of RC physically harming them, I believe that someone or more than one, in LE is terrified of what RC may reveal about them. And I truly believe that one thing has bogged down this case more than anything else.

 

[lonetraveler]

In a homicide case, arrests often do not happen immediately due to the severity of the charge and the fact that murder/homicide cases have no statute of limitations....it's always better to do it later and do it right than to be in such a hurry that the perp gets acquitted for lack of evidence.

As far as Haleigh's case, I think LE knows what happened, but likely the SA's office is not ready to go with the evidence as is--they want a reasonable chance at a conviction before they charge anyone because once someone is acquitted, the state does not get a do-over.

I believe LE in Putnam County is decent and hard-working, for the most part. I think they try, and when perps get off with deals or just a slap on the wrist, it is a problem with the courts and the prosecutors, not LE.

Maybe the problem, if there is one, is a bit higher than the local LE. People in my county are very aware of how high up and how far those in power can reach. Sometimes all the way to the Senate and House including the Judiciary branch. If it can happen here it can happen there. You would be surprised how many very well respected and reknown elected officials are connected to the drug trade and prostitution.

 

[PorcineGranny]

krkrjx you are correct in alot of your assumptions, but let me add this......LE in this case could have at any time asked for addtional help from the FBI or another agency. What has been the reason that they have insisted on not getting help? If its an ego thing, I am very angry.

I'm not saying John Merchant has done anything wrong, but I haven't liked how his name is bandied about by the Cummings. It just has a feeling of something fishy.

I wish, I wish someone with authority would call Mark Furman today and get him on this case!!!!!!