Thread No. 20

[jake]

All this constraint.
Does a regular diet help that?
Exercise?
What?

Naw, it's nothing important.
It has nothing to do with figuring
out the therapist visit. Just some
personal stuff.

 

[liveoutloud]

ooooooh, so sorry about that. that explains a lot to me. i was thinking about something a past poster said. i should have realized :slap:

Spring

I think it is Jake who is confused. Or I am.

 

[jake]

:waitasec:


I don't think that you do...

Yeah, I know about the curriculum vitae posting and all that. I also know why it was done. It doesn't mean anything.

 

[liveoutloud]

Yeah, I know about the curriculum vitae posting and all that. I also know why it was done. It doesn't mean anything.

Humor me Jake.
Whose vitae did you think I was talking about?

 

[liveoutloud]

That makes sense, Jubal. There are things I talk to my medical doctor about that I wouldn't share with family or friends. Some things are just too personal for that.

But for support in a time of crisis, I would not rely on grief counselors and such. I'd turn to those close to me. That's what Jason did.

Oh goody.
No one gives a rat's butt here what Jason did in his time of crisis.
Besides, there is no field of study covering bad hair days.

 

[BarnGoddess]

That makes sense, Jubal. There are things I talk to my medical doctor about that I wouldn't share with family or friends. Some things are just too personal for that.

But for support in a time of crisis, I would not rely on grief counselors and such. I'd turn to those close to me. That's what Jason did.

Sorry, but I don't agree. When I took my last class in our local college, I noticed a group of people coming from the other side of the new community center along with our local funeral director, (BTW, a fairly young man). I asked him what class he taught and he told me it was a grief counseling group. This is such a small town that I recognized many of those and knew they had recently suffered losses, and some not so recently. They all had families and friends galore, but seemed to find help with a group to share similar experiences. For you to say that an innocent, grief stricken young husband and father doesn't need or won't seek help with those in similar situations is so much bull as far as I'm concerned. Obviously, it helps many people to work through their grief and know they are not alone. Just "crying" on a family member or friend's shoulder sometimes doesn't do it. JY's avoidance of any such group tells me he's afraid he may have a slip of the tongue if he attends or even seeks counseling. You certainly let slip something that made my "hinky meter" soar.

 

[spring]

i just got some new news, just now.

jason really needs to just confess. jake, you need to help the boy. he needs to just confess now and save himself from the death penalty. i do believe he should do that for his daughter. at least one of her parents will be alive. maybe one day she will forgive him.

poor Cassidy.

 

[spring]

Sorry, but I don't agree. When I took my last class in our local college, I noticed a group of people coming from the other side of the new community center along with our local funeral director, (BTW, a fairly young man). I asked him what class he taught and he told me it was a grief counseling group. This is such a small town that I recognized many of those and knew they had recently suffered losses, and some not so recently. They all had families and friends galore, but seemed to find help with a group to share similar experiences. For you to say that an innocent, grief stricken young husband and father doesn't need or won't seek help with those in similar situations is so much bull as far as I'm concerned. Obviously, it helps many people to work through their grief and know they are not alone. Just "crying" on a family member or friend's shoulder sometimes doesn't do it. JY's avoidance of any such group tells me he's afraid he may have a slip of the tongue if he attends or even seeks counseling. You certainly let slip something that made my "hinky meter" soar.

and if you remember, he wasn't talking to ANYBODY. so how is that the family helping with his grief? not talking about the situation doesn't make it go away.

 

[jilly]

Jilly,

Which makes me wonder whether Jason elected to take the services provided by victim's services counselors and other resources. They are wonderful programs that can really benefit family members. If he didn't and won't even talk to them, hmmm.
JMO.

Hi Dep! And I would bet that most victims would willingly accept this service. Not with this guy and/or his family though. From what I've read this family has a very high opinion of themselves and they would be 'too good' for this lowly service. This service would be for 'the little people.'

 

[jilly]

That's an interesting thought.

I'd like to think that Jason, being smart and all, would know better than that, especially since it is his future freedom at risk.

Plus, you'd think he'd would want this to die down on the message boards, not keep stirring it up on several different boards. And, I'd think it's apparent to most reasonable people that the current "JY is innocent" blitzes are backfiring. I haven't seen a huge swell of case followers changing their opinions, even after reading months of a few fringe players' comments and deflections.

Like I mentioned before....this is a family that thinks they are above everyone else. "How dare you accuse our Jason". It's important for them to be on the message boards because it's their way of showing (albeit a misconception) that they are in control.

 

[Stoli]

Like I mentioned before....this is a family that thinks they are above everyone else. "How dare you accuse our Jason". It's important for them to be on the message boards because it's their way of showing (albeit a misconception) that they are in control.

That's interesting. Based on known information, that control is slipping through their fingers like handfuls of sand.

I don't think Jason needs a grief counselor. He may soon need a counselor to deal with his fear and dread though.

 

[The Saint]

If the Fisher and Young family members have all taken polygraphs except Jason, then the Youngs are wearing blinders if they think jason couldn't have committed the murder.

refusal to take a polygraph when requested by homicide investigators is one of THE major red flags.

 

[The Saint]

That's interesting. Based on known information, that control is slipping through their fingers like handfuls of sand.

I don't think Jason needs a grief counselor. He may soon need a counselor to deal with his fear and dread though.

well he certainly needs a Criminal Defense Attorney and not a "Personal Attorney," that's for sure.

 

[jake]

Sorry, but I don't agree. When I took my last class in our local college, I noticed a group of people coming from the other side of the new community center along with our local funeral director, (BTW, a fairly young man). I asked him what class he taught and he told me it was a grief counseling group. This is such a small town that I recognized many of those and knew they had recently suffered losses, and some not so recently. They all had families and friends galore, but seemed to find help with a group to share similar experiences. For you to say that an innocent, grief stricken young husband and father doesn't need or won't seek help with those in similar situations is so much bull as far as I'm concerned. Obviously, it helps many people to work through their grief and know they are not alone. Just "crying" on a family member or friend's shoulder sometimes doesn't do it. JY's avoidance of any such group tells me he's afraid he may have a slip of the tongue if he attends or even seeks counseling. You certainly let slip something that made my "hinky meter" soar.

No, no, I think you've got me wrong. I agree. And you've certainly got all the buzz words (bold). But you say "many" people and "sometimes".

I agree. Those who are too weak to stand on their own, those who need the help of others--- certainly those people should seek help. Nothing at all wrong with that. That's why we have counselors.

 

[jake]

Hi Dep! And I would bet that most victims would willingly accept this service. Not with this guy and/or his family though. From what I've read this family has a very high opinion of themselves and they would be 'too good' for this lowly service. This service would be for 'the little people.'

"too good" huh? Well, think what you want. The service should be for the weak people, not the little people. Most of us little people are strong enough to carry our burdens.

 

[The Saint]

That makes sense, Jubal. There are things I talk to my medical doctor about that I wouldn't share with family or friends. Some things are just too personal for that.

But for support in a time of crisis, I would not rely on grief counselors and such. I'd turn to those close to me. That's what Jason did.

i guess that they weren't very good at it because he plotted and/or exploded and slaughtered his wife and baby.

what was the advice they gave him when he told them, "I want to kill my wife?"

 

[liveoutloud]

No, no, I think you've got me wrong. I agree. And you've certainly got all the buzz words (bold). But you say "many" people and "sometimes".

I agree. Those who are too weak to stand on their own, those who need the help of others--- certainly those people should seek help. Nothing at all wrong with that. That's why we have counselors.

Odd that you should have such a low opinion of those in the social services field. Makes me think Jason isn't the only one not talking to you.

 

[jake]

We've managed to stray a little off the topic. I reckon we're through with the therapist. Michelle's, that is. We'll talk about the board's needs later. You reckon there is a board therapist somewhere?

Anybody have an idea for other misconceptions we can clear up, or at least discuss?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Sorry, but I don't agree. When I took my last class in our local college, I noticed a group of people coming from the other side of the new community center along with our local funeral director, (BTW, a fairly young man). I asked him what class he taught and he told me it was a grief counseling group. This is such a small town that I recognized many of those and knew they had recently suffered losses, and some not so recently. They all had families and friends galore, but seemed to find help with a group to share similar experiences. For you to say that an innocent, grief stricken young husband and father doesn't need or won't seek help with those in similar situations is so much bull as far as I'm concerned. Obviously, it helps many people to work through their grief and know they are not alone. Just "crying" on a family member or friend's shoulder sometimes doesn't do it. JY's avoidance of any such group tells me he's afraid he may have a slip of the tongue if he attends or even seeks counseling. You certainly let slip something that made my "hinky meter" soar.

Interesting observations, BG.

If a father felt he was getting enough guidance and support in how to handle his own grief, that's great. Yet, he's now the sole parent of a toddler who has just had her mother taken from her daily life. Daily routines change, supposedly all the adults around her would be devastated and emotional. She's not living in her own home, bedroom, etc. anymore. What would be the harm to get advice and recommendations from professionals who have dealt with these types of situations with children in the past?

In addition, I should have been more descriptive and maybe talked about the assistance available as having advocates, not "just counselors" like mental health counselors. These advocates help with legal paperwork, financial reimbursements, etc. But, I guess some people wouldn't want that advice from people that know the system and what occurs in the future. Certainly their perogative.

 

[jake]

Odd that you should have such a low opinion of those in the social services field. Makes me think Jason isn't the only one not talking to you.

Are you one too? She says the same thing to me sometimes. But generally I hold my tongue around her. We've about agreed not to talk about such things. She doesn't read boards.