TH's polygraphs

[LNL]

I live outside Portland, during a newscast about day 2, it was reported that the family pet was missing as well. Does anyone else remember hearing that? I only caught it once.

I vaguely remember something about a cat being missing, but I thought that turned out to be just another rumor.

 

[Ginnie]

If the family pet was missing, I can see a neighbor invved using the pet to lure.

 

[winterrose]

Hey guys,hope everyone's doing well today.I did read in an article about a cat that would go back and forth with Kyron to his bus.If anything was premeditated,I would wonder if that was part of a plan to make it look like someone watching the home.That actually would make no sense,if someone was watching,why kill thier yard cat?I'm sure that would come up in a polygraph,if an animal was killed from there.See the reaction to that line of questioning.

 

[raeann]

I live outside Portland, during a newscast about day 2, it was reported that the family pet was missing as well. Does anyone else remember hearing that? I only caught it once.

That was one of the completely misinterpreted rumors from both posters on the net and news media--who either got it from the forum sites or read the same thing from the same place. There was a statement that said something to the effect of "Kitty is missing Kryon and sits on his bed reading his books" Kitty is not an animal it is a family member nickname.

Somehow the 'kitty" and "missing" were transformed into this convoluted rumor.

jmo

 

[lillygator]

did we get results from the first poly? did she fail?

 

[Ginnie]

My husband and I both hears that from a local newscast. Not sure where it came from.

 

[Tzedek]

Did the SM take a poly (a 2nd one)? Dunno. We may not find out for some time. LE is not going to tell us.

This is what happens when there's no actual news on a case. Every word uttered by everyone even slightly peripherally involved gets analyzed down to the butt lint level. Misinformation abounds and then people react to anything they hear or read and run with it. So many people are projecting what they'd do if they had a missing child, how they'd feel, what they'd say. Okay, but how exactly does that solve this case?

None of it tells us what happened THAT day and to THAT little boy. Oh sure I suppose someone can infer the SM's state of mind (or at least try to guess from the massive amounts of flotsam floating about), but it (the gossiping) doesn't solve the case.

Frankly I don't know why LE bothered to hold any press conferences at all. They haven't disclosed any real info, they don't need the public's opinions, the crime is contained to that one school, that one day, and the police obviously believe it's someone either close to or inside the family. The rest of it is a bunch of psychological games being played. No wonder the rumor mongers are having a field day.

There is nothing for anyone else to do, save actually FINDING Kyron at this point. I wish all the gossipers would join teams and do organized searches of every single square inch within that entire county, which would be something useful for a change, rather than playing a form of 'Clue' (it was Mrs. Plum in the LR with the wrench! Aha!)

Granted, I don't know how these things work, but that is something that has bothered me in this case.

You have a seven-year old child missing. Time is of the essence. Why not have everyone you can possibly scrounge up searching?

Kyron is SOMEWHERE. With all the time that elapsed before it was known he was missing, that 'somewhere' covers a very large territory. Why haven't there been/why aren't there now....calls for thousands of volunteers to literally beat the bushes looking for him?

I know there was talk in the beginning about trained searchers and preserving possible evidence, but...sheesh...what if precious time was lost? It almost feels to me that evidence preservation was more important than finding Kyron. Why? Was something know at the beginning?

And even - G-d forbid - if it is too late to save Kyron's life....isn't it still terribly important to find him? To provide answers to his family? To bring someone to justice?

I am sitting here with nothing to do on a Sunday afternoon and feel like myself and everyone else around here should be out looking for Kyron!

 

[RubyRed]

Granted, I don't know how these things work, but that is something that has bothered me in this case.

You have a seven-year old child missing. Time is of the essence. Why not have everyone you can possibly scrounge up searching?

Kyron is SOMEWHERE. With all the time that elapsed before it was known he was missing, that 'somewhere' covers a very large territory. Why haven't there been/why aren't there now....calls for thousands of volunteers to literally beat the bushes looking for him?

I know there was talk in the beginning about trained searchers and preserving possible evidence, but...sheesh...what if precious time was lost? It almost feels to me that evidence preservation was more important than finding Kyron. Why? Was something know at the beginning?

And even - G-d forbid - if it is too late to save Kyron's life....isn't it still terribly important to find him? To provide answers to his family? To bring someone to justice?

I am sitting here with nothing to do on a Sunday afternoon and feel like myself and everyone else around here should be out looking for Kyron!

I took my response to the "All searches for Kyron" thread as that is where it should be.

 

[Tzedek]

Just yesterday PNWSAR were doing rappels of 165ft. The terrain has been steep, covered in brambles, blackberries and stinging nettles. Definitely not for those that are not trained.

http://www.pnwsar.org/searches?page=1

I understand what you are saying. OTOH...if it was a matter of - G-d forbid - someone disposing of a body, how 'involved' could it or would it have been? Would it not have to have been done fairly quickly (even given the hours that went by between morning drop-off and afternoon bus)? And if the person involved was an "amateur", so to speak, the disposal couldn't have been too elaborate.

If it is a matter of Kyron falling somewhere, I am not seeing where he would be too far off the beaten path, KWIM?

And if he tumbled or was pushed or thrown down a cliff, embankment or what-have-you, wouldn't there be evidence of such at the top...broken branches, etc?

I just can't shake the feeling of the more eyes looking, the better.

And IIRC, there have been missing persons found around here that have been found by civilians.

Perhaps it is just the transplanted midwesterner in me, but it has bothered me that there wasn't a general plea for volunteer searchers when he first went missing.

When out and about running errands, I do find myself constantly scanning the roadside, ditches, bushes, trees...you-name-it and thinking "Where are you, Kyron? Why can't we find you?".

 

[Jaxson]

This thread is losing it's focus. It is about the claim of a second polygraph.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I am glad that LE is doing polygraphs. I am sure that is basic stuff but since it was never announced you never know. I wonder if anyone else has taken a LDT and if they had to repeat any. Since they can't be used in a trial I don't think they could arrest her if she fails but they can use it to put more pressure on her. Pressure she is obviously feeling.

From the above link.
I am sure the questions are getting more intense. Maybe, if she did this she will confess.

I don't place a great amount of stock in polygraphs. I remember Mark Lunsford's mom failing it! I think it's a great tool for LE, but nothing more. I don 't believe it's the end all be all.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I can understand being tired, but frustrated? If my child were missing, I would be agreeing to anything and everything that the police asked of me, so as to help them in any way possible find my child. I would not be frustrated.

If I had nothing to do with it, I would be beyond frustrated! I would want them focusing their efforts on FINDING MY CHILD! I would be cooperative for awhile....then I would probably loose my mind!

 

[scandi]

If I had nothing to do with it, I would be beyond frustrated! I would want them focusing their efforts on FINDING MY CHILD! I would be cooperative for awhile....then I would probably loose my mind!

I was surprised last night listening to the local news, but they did report she had taken a second poly on Sat. xox

 

[debs]

I believe there was a plea from folks who stated that they themselves would 'do whatever was necessary to clear me so that LE could focus on finding my child' .... which appears to be what LE is asking of Terri. If she's taken a second poly, it was at their request, and for the purpose of finding her child.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I believe there was a plea from folks who stated that they themselves would 'do whatever was necessary to clear me so that LE could focus on finding my child' .... which appears to be what LE is asking of Terri. If she's taken a second poly, it was at their request, and for the purpose of finding her child.

But if my child were missing, and LE's focus seemed to be directed at me, excluding all other possibilities and I had nothing to do with the disappearance....I would be more than angry and belligerent!

That's when you're between a rock and a hard place. If you stop cooperating and lawyer up people assume your guilty. If you continue cooperating and law enforcement remains focused on you, your child isn't going to be found nor is the perpetrator.

In this case, that's what appears to be happening. They aren't looking at anyone else. I hope LE is right.

 

[grandmaj]

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/09/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-walked-out-on-polygraph/


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“The first red flag is failed test. Second red flag is walking out in the middle of the second one. And the third red flag is, I’m going to fight law enforcement as long as I possibly can to absolutely refuse to take a polygraph,” he said. “After 10 days, she finally breaks down, goes, takes another one, and she fails.”


There is a link at the end of the article in which you hear an audio of Kaine explaining it.

 

[Dee10]

Isn't that just lovely! :doh::rage:

 

[RubyRed]

He said the first time Terri Moulton Horman took a polygraph she was “very vocal” among friends and family that she’d failed. Kaine Horman says she made excuses, and he gave her the benefit of the doubt. He declined to say what questions allegedly tripped her up.

Several days later, he says, she agreed to take a second polygraph but walked out before the questions began.

Around 10 days later, she finally agreed to sit down again for a lie detector. Once again, he says, she failed.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/09/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-walked-out-on-polygraph/

 

[RubyRed]

Direct link to audio of Kaine talking about polygraph.


http://media.wweek.com/attach/2010/07/09/polygraph.mp3

 

[gliving]

"He declined to say what questions allegedly tripped her up."

I'd sure like to know what those questions were.