TH's polygraphs

[Cher352]

The fact that Desiree, her husband and Kaine passed their LD tests speaks volumes.

Has LE said this? I must have missed it.

 

[Kat]

Ok - for all the folks who say that "nobody would continue to hold the child with all the publicity" etc....

Let me ask you this - what if someone (friend, relative) absolutely convinced you that a child was being abused - and that the ONLY way to protect that child was to hide the child for them? Perhaps even get the child out of the country. Further assume that you have (or are given) the money to enable you to do it.

What would you do?

I'm guessing there are at least a few people here who would take the kid and go.

Mind you - I am not saying Kyron actually was being abused - but whether he was or not, TH could have claimed that he was, and produced some sort of "evidence."

I'm trying to explore this possibility right now inside my head. How would somone remove Kyron to another country? Honest question, seriously. I'm trying to figure out how to move him given the security measures on borders and flights. Just curious as to any thoughts someone might have about how complicated or easily this might be done? Just curious.

 

[Kat]

Has LE said this? I must have missed it.

Naw I don't think I've read where LE made a statement about any of the people that have taken LDT's.

 

[Beatrice]

I think Terri believes her own lies......

 

[Emeralgem]

So are you saying you believe KH has managed to set up TH or are you saying you believe this is a joint effort involving KH and another member of Kyron's family?

Quoting myself..

Let me add..I don't think I can take another father being responsible for his own child's disappearance and setting up a wife/girlfriend to take the fall....JMO

 

[debirlfan]

I'm trying to explore this possibility right now inside my head. How would somone remove Kyron to another country? Honest question, seriously. I'm trying to figure out how to move him given the security measures on borders and flights. Just curious as to any thoughts someone might have about how complicated or easily this might be done? Just curious.

Oregon is not far from Canada, and there's no wall between the US and Canada - by my understanding there have always been many places where one can just walk across the border, especially if you cut through the woods.

Not that it would be necessary to leave the country - dye/cut his hair, change his glasses (I wonder if he could wear contacts?) and go to Florida, California, New England - remember that school is out, so that wouldn't be an issue - and the chances of him being recognized are slim. By the time school starts again, publicity will have died down even further, and if whoever has him can produce fake papers under a different name, no one would ever be the wiser.

 

[scandi]

Bolded respectfully by me

I'm trying to remember---someone know? Wasn't it said they have someone IIRC associated with a church that is in marketing or PR work or something to that effect? If so (and I"m not remembering wrong) could that person be advising them? Just curious.

Hi Kat, Yes I've wondered about that too. We did learn that the person who owns the house right across the street from the Horman's on Sheltered Nook is an internationally known evangelist type of a guy. They might know him or those who work for him. I don't know if the house across the street is rented out to one of his executives or not. He does own another house in a nearby area.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

I'm trying to explore this possibility right now inside my head. How would somone remove Kyron to another country? Honest question, seriously. I'm trying to figure out how to move him given the security measures on borders and flights. Just curious as to any thoughts someone might have about how complicated or easily this might be done? Just curious.

The old Portland tunnels?

 

[love_to_dig]

As far as all the talk about Terri, she is the key to where Kyron is. They are trying to pressure her, using psychological tactics devised and aimed with her specific mental weakness in mind, to give up what she knows. She is now nearly completely isolated, losing her home shortly, no job, few friends, baby gone, son gone, hopefully hitting rock bottom shortly so she will have nothing to lose and everything to gain by fessing up to what she has done. Brilliant tactics.

BBM

I understand that they believe she holds the key to his whereabouts. Maybe she does. I'm just not sure that I agree with their tactics on trying to withdraw the information from her. It hasn't worked so far.

IMO, I would think that the loss of her daughter would have been the final straw to her already having hit rock bottom. She really has lost everything. In that reporter's video of her at her attorney's office, I thought she looked desperately hopeless and broken. I could see her committing suicide instead of telling what she knows.

IMO, if this was an act of revenge and or spite on her part, she has already put many people though hell on earth. Taking the truth to her grave would be the ultimate revenge, leaving everyone forever wondering his fate. I don't see what she has to gain from revealing anything. Except maybe a long prison term or a needle in her arm, if in fact, something horrible has happened to Kyron, and she was involved.

 

[scandi]

The old Portland tunnels?

LOL They're still open, at least a few are like one below 3rd and Couch, and still lead to a door at Waterfront Park that can be opened right where the ships dock. I've walked that one when I worked in the bar above it.

 

[sleuthy sleutherson]

Oh I totally agree with this.
Now, I will play devil's advocate and say those that might think that whatever is coming from DY and KH may not be factual could have a point. There is chance that they have their own ideas about getting Kyron home.

However the other side is this. Do you really honestly think that these 2 , in their palpable grief, have the mindset and the training to work Terri through the media like they are? I just do not see it. I also do not think that they are telling any half truths. They know what they can say ( because some one has told them) they know how to say it ( because some one has coached them) and they seem confident in how they are going about it. This is no game. To me,IMO, they are being maneuvered carefully to an endgame.

It really floors me that there are some so firmly on her side. I am not attacking anyone in anyway. Or anyone's opinions. I k now it seems like that but I am not. I am just stating how I feel and how I see it.


As to the third lie detector. I am not shocked at all.

I really don't even need LE maneuvering the parents of a missing child. These two know Terri and if they have come together and form an opinion about her involvement I respect that, this is their son missing and if they feel the slightest bit she is involved, good for them for speaking up about it. If she's not, she's not but apparently they have their reasons for believing so and I won't judge them for speaking up about it, they just want their son back and the person responsible for him missing to be held accountable.

Not attacking your post in anyway, just going off the part about LE maneuvering them, they may or may not be, hard to tell right now.

 

[scandi]

BBM

I understand that they believe she holds the key to his whereabouts. Maybe she does. I'm just not sure that I agree with their tactics on trying to withdraw the information from her. It hasn't worked so far.

IMO, I would think that the loss of her daughter would have been the final straw to her already having hit rock bottom. She really has lost everything. In that reporter's video of her at her attorney's office, I thought she looked desperately hopeless and broken. I could see her committing suicide instead of telling what she knows.

IMO, if this was an act of revenge and or spite on her part, she has already put many people though hell on earth. Taking the truth to her grave would be the ultimate revenge, leaving everyone forever wondering his fate. I don't see what she has to gain from revealing anything. Except maybe a long prison term or a needle in her arm, if in fact, something horrible has happened to Kyron, and she was involved.

If she is a narcissist I don't think she'll commit suicide. I've read they seldom do.

 

[grandmaj]

WS does not operate on rumor. We use MSM and news programs as the source of information. Now we roll with it as it happens. If and when it changes direction we will roll with it just as we have done with TH. At any point if TH or her attorney speaks we will allow those programs to be discussed.

Nothing is rumor that is being discussed now. It is statements by the bio parents of Kyron Horman.

 

[Wrinkles]

As per Terri Horman failing polygraphs and/or walking out on them... As per considering that Terri Horman had something to do with Kyron Horman's disappearance.

Reported from those who:
a) were first hand witnesses to Terri Horman's behavior and/or
b) have been directly updated by Law Enforcement per the case.

Video at this link:

Desiree states (approx. 1:23-1:30) in reference to the day that Kyron went missing:

"I can tell you what I ate that day, and she can't tell you where she was."

Interesting... Per the above, Terri Horman can't tell you where she was on June 4th between approximately 8:15am and 2:00pm? How long after Kyron was discovered to be missing was she asked about her "June 4th's" whereabouts? Might it have been on the evening of June 4th, when LE (and FBI?) stepped in? Might it have been a couple of days later?

Anyone have a clue when Terri was first asked her whereabouts on June 4th?

How about the thought that someone (one of the caretakers of a 7 year old child) cannot tell you where they were on a particularly important day and within a relatively short time period?

Important day: A 7 year old child within the realm of someone's responsibility goes missing.

Relatively short time period:

Source:
>>8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit.<<

"Kaine Horman recalled leaving his office at Intel at about 1:45 the day his son disappeared, reaching home about 15 minutes later. Terri Horman was already in the house, on her laptop, he said."

8:15am to approximately 2:00pm -- approximately 6 hours.

OPINION: Terri Horman has the potential to assist in the case of Kyron Horman. She will do so because: <---wrong
EDITED: She will NOT DO SO because:

a) she feels that her life is more important than the life of the small child who is missing.
b) she is guilty of something to do with this child's being missing AND, again, point A.

I have no respect for Terri Horman at this point in time. Even if she were completely innocent of anything to do with Kyron's disappearance, her behavior, as reported by those closest to this case, is despicable.

Where is the millstone. Terri you have pushed the limits...but then you know that, don't you?

 

[RubyRed]

Oregon is not far from Canada, and there's no wall between the US and Canada - by my understanding there have always been many places where one can just walk across the border, especially if you cut through the woods.

Not that it would be necessary to leave the country - dye/cut his hair, change his glasses (I wonder if he could wear contacts?) and go to Florida, California, New England - remember that school is out, so that wouldn't be an issue - and the chances of him being recognized are slim. By the time school starts again, publicity will have died down even further, and if whoever has him can produce fake papers under a different name, no one would ever be the wiser.

Well that is a good thought because then Kyron would be alive. Yet Kyron is old enough to know his name, so I don't think that would work.

Then I think of Jaycee and some of the others that were held, so anything is possible.

 

[Dee10]

Just so you know, this case is all over the news in Canada too! We get American channels as well & some of us get Miz Nancy.:angel:

 

[sleuthy sleutherson]

As per Terri Horman failing polygraphs and/or walking out on them... As per considering that Terri Horman had something to do with Kyron Horman's disappearance.

Reported from those who:
a) were first hand witnesses to Terri Horman's behavior and/or
b) have been directly updated by Law Enforcement per the case.

Video at this link:

Desiree states (approx. 1:23-1:30) in reference to the day that Kyron went missing:

"I can tell you what I ate that day, and she can't tell you where she was."

Interesting... Per the above, Terri Horman can't tell you where she was on June 4th between approximately 8:15am and 2:00pm? How long after Kyron was discovered to be missing was she asked about her "June 4th's" whereabouts? Might it have been on the evening of June 4th, when LE (and FBI?) stepped in? Might it have been a couple of days later?

Anyone have a clue when Terri was first asked her whereabouts on June 4th?

How about the thought that someone (one of the caretakers of a 7 year old child) cannot tell you where they were on a particularly important day and within a relatively short time period?

Important day: A 7 year old child within the realm of someone's responsibility goes missing.

Relatively short time period:

Source:
>>8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit.<<

"Kaine Horman recalled leaving his office at Intel at about 1:45 the day his son disappeared, reaching home about 15 minutes later. Terri Horman was already in the house, on her laptop, he said."

8:15am to approximately 2:00pm -- approximately 6 hours.

OPINION: Terri Horman has the potential to assist in the case of Kyron Horman. She will do so because:

a) she feels that her life is more important than the life of the small child who is missing.
b) she is guilty of something to do with this child's being missing AND, again, point A.

I have no respect for Terri Horman at this point in time. Even if she were completely innocent of anything to do with Kyron's disappearance, her behavior, as reported by those closest to this case, is despicable.

Where is the millstone. Terri you have pushed the limits...but then you know that, don't you?

I would just like to point out here, going off your post, the behavior of Stephanie Sloop when her child was being abused.

1). She took pictures and posted them to her FB
2). She left her home numerous times without Nathan, leaving Ethan with him and could have called for help for her son, but she choose not to.
3). She had not seen her own child for 8 months, on her own free will, with no good reason.
4). She did nothing at all to stop the abuse, in fact she married the monster, leaving her 4 year old locked in a bedroom severly beaten to go get married.

I know there is tons more I could post, but point being, it is the behavior or lack of that is important to look at. Hum, I'll post pictures of my beaten son on FB....I'll post on FB that I'm hitting the gym just days after my stepson goes missing....just sayin. I know there is a difference, but how much? :furious:

 

[debirlfan]

Well that is a good thought because then Kyron would be alive. Yet Kyron is old enough to know his name, so I don't think that would work.

Sure he is - but what's to say that he might not willingly go along with it, if he was more attached to his step mother than to his other family members? After all, she's been the stay-at-home "mom" who's presumably been with him most of the time. If he were told that TH and his dad were splitting, and he'd never see her again (or worse, if he was being abused), he could have agreed to go (even sneaking out of school to meet TH) and he might be be eagerly waiting for her to join him and whoever is holding him?

 

[believe09]

So we can sleuth TH, but we cannot sleuth DY or KH? Why? Sorry, I just don't seem to understand why Terri can be so under the microscope and not all of the family members..(adults who have been named in the media?) I am NOT saying they are involved (or even that I think they are involved) but just wondering why they could not be sleuthed if someone did think they were involved....JMO

TH is being put forward as a person of interest by both her husband and passively by LE. At this point and time, Kaine and Desiree are the VICTIMS along with Kyron. Sorry to shout.

We dont sleuth family and we dont sleuth minors here on the boards....it's the rules.

 

[Kat]

TH is being put forward as a person of interest by both her husband and passively by LE. At this point and time, Kaine and Desiree are the VICTIMS along with Kyron. Sorry to shout.

We dont sleuth family and we dont sleuth minors here on the boards....it's the rules.

Thanks believe for your sage advice

I went to hunt down the post by Kimster.

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That's a really good thread. You can ask any question you want to and a mod will answer for you. Cool.