Tiger kills man at San Francisco Zoo (Part 3)

  • #261
Officials want a survivor of a Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo to pay the city more than $75,000 for treating his injuries and are asking for the money to come out of any cash settlement the victim may receive.

In a lien filed in federal court this week, the city's tax department said Kulbir Dhaliwal has yet to pay for medical treatment provided by the city following the 2007 mauling. Dhaliwal, who was 23 at the time of the attacks, suffered deep cuts and bite wounds on his body and underwent surgery to repair the damage to his knees, according to a claim he and his brother filed last spring.

http://www.kcra.com/news/18402534/detail.html

I didn't see this coming!
 
  • #262
Officials want a survivor of a Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo to pay the city more than $75,000 for treating his injuries and are asking for the money to come out of any cash settlement the victim may receive.

In a lien filed in federal court this week, the city's tax department said Kulbir Dhaliwal has yet to pay for medical treatment provided by the city following the 2007 mauling. Dhaliwal, who was 23 at the time of the attacks, suffered deep cuts and bite wounds on his body and underwent surgery to repair the damage to his knees, according to a claim he and his brother filed last spring.

http://www.kcra.com/news/18402534/detail.html

I didn't see this coming!

The zoo will end up paying this as well, I'm sure. They filed the lien so they can get paid out of the settlement/verdict!
 
  • #263
Officials want a survivor of a Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo to pay the city more than $75,000 for treating his injuries and are asking for the money to come out of any cash settlement the victim may receive.

In a lien filed in federal court this week, the city's tax department said Kulbir Dhaliwal has yet to pay for medical treatment provided by the city following the 2007 mauling. Dhaliwal, who was 23 at the time of the attacks, suffered deep cuts and bite wounds on his body and underwent surgery to repair the damage to his knees, according to a claim he and his brother filed last spring.

http://www.kcra.com/news/18402534/detail.html

I didn't see this coming!

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Awesome! I hope their award is under $75,000! :woohoo:

The zoo will end up paying this as well, I'm sure. They filed the lien so they can get paid out of the settlement/verdict!

The zoo should file an action against them for the cost of a new tiger.
 
  • #264
Officials want a survivor of a Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo to pay the city more than $75,000 for treating his injuries and are asking for the money to come out of any cash settlement the victim may receive.

In a lien filed in federal court this week, the city's tax department said Kulbir Dhaliwal has yet to pay for medical treatment provided by the city following the 2007 mauling. Dhaliwal, who was 23 at the time of the attacks, suffered deep cuts and bite wounds on his body and underwent surgery to repair the damage to his knees, according to a claim he and his brother filed last spring.

http://www.kcra.com/news/18402534/detail.html

I didn't see this coming![/QUOTE]

Bolding mine.

Nor should it be coming. The zoo wants to be reimbursed for the medical treatment the victim sustained because the zoo's cat got out and mauled him? What a joke.

I haven't read this entire thread, but I'm assuming the mauled victim is suing the zoo and the expenses are coming out of that? I think this young man needs a HIGH POWERED attorney to put SF in their place. Hummmph, having an enclosure tigers can get out of shouldn't be rewarded!
 
  • #265
Officials want a survivor of a Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo to pay the city more than $75,000 for treating his injuries and are asking for the money to come out of any cash settlement the victim may receive.

In a lien filed in federal court this week, the city's tax department said Kulbir Dhaliwal has yet to pay for medical treatment provided by the city following the 2007 mauling. Dhaliwal, who was 23 at the time of the attacks, suffered deep cuts and bite wounds on his body and underwent surgery to repair the damage to his knees, according to a claim he and his brother filed last spring.

http://www.kcra.com/news/18402534/detail.html

I didn't see this coming![/QUOTE]

Bolding mine.

Nor should it be coming. The zoo wants to be reimbursed for the medical treatment the victim sustained because the zoo's cat got out and mauled him? What a joke.

I haven't read this entire thread, but I'm assuming the mauled victim is suing the zoo and the expenses are coming out of that? I think this young man needs a HIGH POWERED attorney to put SF in their place. Hummmph, having an enclosure tigers can get out of shouldn't be rewarded!

Lots of good opinions here on both sides of the tiger enclosure, so to speak. Yes, the victims and families of the deceased are suing the zoo and seem to have a completely competent attorney. There will, I hope, be a settlement without a trail. I agree with you that the zoo was totally, completely negligent. The only real questions is - did the young men injured and/or killed by the tiger contribute to the damages they sustained and, if so, how much did their action contribute.
 
  • #266
The zoo should file an action against them for the cost of a new tiger.

That would make a great starting point for an episode of It's Always Sunny....;), but in the real world, the public should reasonably expect a zoo to keep dangerous predatory animals in enclosures that rise to the standards considered "reasonable and safe" within the industry. This zoo missed that mark, and will pay dearly for that.

I'm just glad the tiger didn't escape and run wild on a bunch of young children. This tragedy could have been much worse in terms of injury, trauma and loss of life.
 
  • #267
Unfortunately I think the victim will win. The more I think about it I remember there was some unique way the tiger escaped. Wasn't it too low a wall?

For that the city {zoo} will pay heartily IMO and I don't think they will be reimbursed for the medical costs. I think after the incident many zoo's checked and rebuilt their walls to make sure something like this would never happen again.
 
  • #268
Unfortunately I think the victim will win. The more I think about it I remember there was some unique way the tiger escaped. Wasn't it too low a wall?

For that the city {zoo} will pay heartily IMO and I don't think they will be reimbursed for the medical costs. I think after the incident many zoo's checked and rebuilt their walls to make sure something like this would never happen again.

Yes, it was. That pretty much seals it.
 
  • #269
That would make a great starting point for an episode of It's Always Sunny....;), but in the real world, the public should reasonably expect a zoo to keep dangerous predatory animals in enclosures that rise to the standards considered "reasonable and safe" within the industry. This zoo missed that mark, and will pay dearly for that.

I'm just glad the tiger didn't escape and run wild on a bunch of young children. This tragedy could have been much worse in terms of injury, trauma and loss of life.

I can just see the gang finding out about this and deciding to aggravate a tiger to win a lawsuit. :floorlaugh:
 
  • #270
I can just see the gang finding out about this and deciding to aggravate a tiger to win a lawsuit. :floorlaugh:

Exactly - it's perfect!
 
  • #271
If I could afford it I'd pay every last cent of this trial cost for the Zoo. If these idiots see dime one for their idiocy I'll spew my Maypo!!

Rewarding idiocy in this country has to stop! :furious:

Get ready to spew your Maypo, Steely! (btw, what IS maypo?)

The family will be awarded money. The zoo tried like hell to prove the boys had been tormenting the tiger, and every allegation the zoo spokesman threw out was proven to be false.

On the other hand, the fact that the wall was too short to contain the tiger has been proven to be true. The zoo's responsibility is protect its visitors, even the stupid ones, by containing its animals. And it didn't do that.

Officials want a survivor of a Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo to pay the city more than $75,000 for treating his injuries and are asking for the money to come out of any cash settlement the victim may receive.
I didn't see this coming!

I didn't see this coming either! Who knew any attorney for the city could be so stupid???

It'll be a cold day in Louisiana in August before any judge decides that the victims of the tiger attack are responsible for their medical care to repair the damage done by the tiger. The ZOO is an entity of the city, right? The zoo allowed its tiger to be housed in an inadequate enclosure, the zoo did not respond to the boys' cries for help immediately, the zoo workers did not allow the young men to take shelter in the cafe'..............methinks the city should pay the dang bill and thank God it wasn't higher.
 
  • #272
Get ready to spew your Maypo, Steely! (btw, what IS maypo?)

The family will be awarded money. The zoo tried like hell to prove the boys had been tormenting the tiger, and every allegation the zoo spokesman threw out was proven to be false.

On the other hand, the fact that the wall was too short to contain the tiger has been proven to be true. The zoo's responsibility is protect its visitors, even the stupid ones, by containing its animals. And it didn't do that.



I didn't see this coming either! Who knew any attorney for the city could be so stupid???

It'll be a cold day in Louisiana in August before any judge decides that the victims of the tiger attack are responsible for their medical care to repair the damage done by the tiger. The ZOO is an entity of the city, right? The zoo allowed its tiger to be housed in an inadequate enclosure, the zoo did not respond to the boys' cries for help immediately, the zoo workers did not allow the young men to take shelter in the cafe'..............methinks the city should pay the dang bill and thank God it wasn't higher.

Maypo

Where did you get the idea the zoo wouldn't allow them to take cover in the cafe'?

I totally, but respectfully, disagree. They were taunting the tiger whether it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt or not I don't know. I believe they found pinecones and other stuff that shouldn't be in the enclosure and there were several reports of some kids going around the zoo and taunting animals.

This tiger had never escaped it's enclosure before. It took a severe amount of anger for this tiger to escape. The tiger didn't go after anyone but those three kids, hmm, wonder why.

These are not good kids. They were high and drunk at the time and one of the kids shoe print was found on the inside wall of the tiger cage.

I have no problem believing they were doing something so unbelievable to agitate that tiger that it found the adrenaline to do something it's never done before!! The freaking moat is 25-30ft. alone. That tiger had to be very unhappy with those kids.


To put it another way the tiger didn't go crazy it went tiger. Don't agitate the man eating animals.

These kids got what they deserve. Our gene pool has been strengthened by that one kids death. Hopefully the tiger got the other kids enough so they can't reproduce. :cow:
 
  • #273
Maypo

Where did you get the idea the zoo wouldn't allow them to take cover in the cafe'?

I totally, but respectfully, disagree. They were taunting the tiger whether it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt or not I don't know. I believe they found pinecones and other stuff that shouldn't be in the enclosure and there were several reports of some kids going around the zoo and taunting animals.

This tiger had never escaped it's enclosure before. It took a severe amount of anger for this tiger to escape. The tiger didn't go after anyone but those three kids, hmm, wonder why.

These are not good kids. They were high and drunk at the time and one of the kids shoe print was found on the inside wall of the tiger cage.

I have no problem believing they were doing something so unbelievable to agitate that tiger that it found the adrenaline to do something it's never done before!! The freaking moat is 25-30ft. alone. That tiger had to be very unhappy with those kids.


To put it another way the tiger didn't go crazy it went tiger. Don't agitate the man eating animals.

These kids got what they deserve. Our gene pool has been strengthened by that one kids death. Hopefully the tiger got the other kids enough so they can't reproduce. :cow:

IIRC, it was fairly well-documented that the zoo did not believe the boys (that a tiger was lose and they were injured) or let them take cover when the boys came running for help.

Also - even though this was discussed round and round on the threads when this case first broke - I can't let it go without saying that a wild animal can freak its stuff and do crazy, dangerous wild animal things at any time - that's what makes the animal wild.

In light of this fact, businesses that traffic in showing wild animals to a paying public have a responsibility to make sure those animals can't maim and/or kill members of said public. An 8-year-old boy could have jeered at and thrown pine cones at Tatiana and made her "rageful" (though I truly hate to attribute human feelings to wild animals) enough to escape her enclosure and attack. But that 8-year-old wouldn't have deserved such an end and neither did these guys.

It's easy to look at these three as deserving of their fate because they aren't pure as the driven snow, by any means. But this could have happened to anyone simply because Tatiana's enclosure wasn't up to safety standards. And it shouldn't have happened to anyone because that enclosure should have been up to standards.

MOO.
 
  • #274
Maypo

Where did you get the idea the zoo wouldn't allow them to take cover in the cafe'?

I totally, but respectfully, disagree. They were taunting the tiger whether it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt or not I don't know. I believe they found pinecones and other stuff that shouldn't be in the enclosure and there were several reports of some kids going around the zoo and taunting animals.

This tiger had never escaped it's enclosure before. It took a severe amount of anger for this tiger to escape. The tiger didn't go after anyone but those three kids, hmm, wonder why.

These are not good kids. They were high and drunk at the time and one of the kids shoe print was found on the inside wall of the tiger cage.

I have no problem believing they were doing something so unbelievable to agitate that tiger that it found the adrenaline to do something it's never done before!! The freaking moat is 25-30ft. alone. That tiger had to be very unhappy with those kids.


To put it another way the tiger didn't go crazy it went tiger. Don't agitate the man eating animals.

These kids got what they deserve. Our gene pool has been strengthened by that one kids death. Hopefully the tiger got the other kids enough so they can't reproduce. :cow:


I got the idea that the young men were denied entry into the cafe from the 911 calls, news releases by the zoo spokesperson, and investigative reports; all of those are available here in the earlier pages of this thread.

Throwing pinecones into a zoo enclosure is not unique to these three, IF they did that. Many of the zoo's early statements had to be retracted: Remember they said a slingshot was used? Then had to retract........they said branches were thrown, then had to retract. They said a shoe was in the enclosure, then had to retract. There is NO evidence that the young men did anything more than a kindergartener would do......they made faces, made noises, etc.

It is also presumptive to assume that Tatiana reacted in anger. We do not know why the tiger jumped. Perhaps she smelled something that intrigued her? Didn't like Carlos's colonge? Maybe the young men were dirty and sweaty and stinky and THAT got her attention? Perhaps she was agitated before the young men ever showed up that day. We don't know. Wild animals are WILD and do not necessarily react to emotion. We cannot personify Tatiana, as much as we may want to, because Tatiana was not a person.

We do know this the first time she escaped, that is true, but there was some evidence that she had TRIED before (wear on her back paws) and this was just the first time she made it.

I really don't care if the young men who were attacked were virgin tee-totallers or not. I don't care if they were Hitler's youth, choir boys, executives or hoodlums, whether they were black, white, hispanic, oriental, etc.

What I DO care about is that the zoo has a legal and moral obligation to protect ALL its visitors, even the smarmy ones. The zoo is obligated to protect both its animals and its visitors by making sure enclosures are safe, comfortable and unescapable for ANY reason. And it failed to keep its obligation.

Unlike you, I can't rejoice in this young man's death. No one "deserves" to be torn apart by a wild animal that has escaped its enclosure, IMO. Ever. Carlos was young and acting stupid, that isn't cause for his death, and if it was nine-tenths of young men would probably be dead before their 21st birthday!
 
  • #275
  • #276
Good, but I'm suprised it isn't more of a settlement.
 
  • #277
I'm glad it wasn't anymore and I doubt those 2 men won't see much of it after Geragos gets his cut.
 
  • #278
I'm glad it wasn't anymore and I doubt those 2 men won't see much of it after Geragos gets his cut.

oh, yeah, he'll get his cut first. I think the going rate is 1/3, at least it is in LA, could be more in CALI, so MG will get at least $300K of the settlement. That leaves each brother with $300K. Not too shabby of a settlement, but WAY short of what I believe the zoo should have paid. (Notice: I am not saying the young men should have received more; I am saying that the zoo deserved to be punished more for not containing a wild animal.)

I have to say, I think their choice of lawyer entered into the low settlement. MG is a loser, IMHO. He is theatrics without substance. The brothers should have sought out a lawyer with a better track record, even if the lawyer had a less recognizable name.

I am glad this is over and thankful that the zoo has taken steps to prevent its reoccurance.
 
  • #279
One of the San Jose brothers injured in the San Francisco Zoo tiger attack in 2007 has been arrested again.

~snip~

The driver was arrested for Driving Under the Influence, and Dhaliwal, a passenger, was arrested for felony possession of three grams of cocaine and being under the influence of a controlled substance, a misdemeanor.

http://cbs13.com/local/local.template.2.1102104.html
 
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