Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[swedie]

OK thankfully though, most of all those posters went poof after the guilty verdict was read and the facts that were thrown out revealed.

Yes and all their theories and opinions went poof along with them.

Some will respond with why bother hanging around after the verdict? More information comes out after the verdict. Just because the accused have had their day in court, doesn't mean there isn't more to discuss. There are numerous forums here on WS that do just that long after the trial and sentencing have ended. MOO.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I don't see the two statements as being at all contradictory. A rage-filled killer who doesn't feel he's treated right finally experiences the power that escapes him in his everyday life by taking someone else's life.

Really? To me, that person would be killing out of anger, not for the thrill. Killing because one is in a rage at how someone is treating them is not the same as killing someone because you want to know what it feels like or because you get a thrill out of killing people.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Except this non-connected cop also said in the same article that WM was shot in the eye and the death was classified as a suicide, which turned out to be true.

I have a great deal of respect for Kavanagh. He deals with the press well and is as open as any Canadian cop, but what was he going to say in a situation like that?

There's no way he would ever speculate on the death being a thrill kill before discussing it with Tim Bosma's family.

Yes, it is true that WM's death was originally classified as a suicide, but I haven't seen the autopsy report yet that says he was shot in the eye. Most MSM reports just said he was shot in the head, which could certainly include the eye, but I haven't seen any confirmation of it yet. Is this the same source that said there were "hundreds" of stolen cars in the hangar?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Really? To me, that person would be killing out of anger, not for the thrill. Killing because one is in a rage at how someone is treating them is not the same as killing someone because you want to know what it feels like or because you get a thrill out of killing people.

JMO

Rage is a thrill. Allowing yourself to lose control and let your anger run away on you is a thrill.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Seriously, IMHO, I'm having such a hard time understanding why any person unrelated to this case would take it upon themselves to wage a full defense for the guy. IMO, they have volumes of disclosure material, highly paid defense attorneys and he'll get his day in court. There's also a whole pile of people on the "do not contact" list who could be witnesses. Sure, sure, sure...the guy may be innocent, but why insult my intelligence? I'm sure this isn't the first perp to get a following- people even marry confessed murderers. His "online" defense is relentless and it all goes against the facts. I'd like to know what happens on these threads the day after the guilty verdict? IMO, DM is a one sick puppy, (don't know why and don't care), TB has been murdered (for no reason), there's plenty of evidence and DM will be found guilty. MOO

I don't personally see all this online defense - only some people who prefer to wait for the trial to see what the actual evidence is, which of the things presented by the press do end up being evidence, what kind of DNA they have, or what they found on the computers, etc., before making a final decision on guilt or what part who played in it.

I would hope that, once the trials are over, people will move on to other interests and these threads will die out, regardless of the outcome. It's all over once the fat lady sings. To continue to carry on endlessly would seem a little too obsessive to me.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

No one has posted on here in defense of DM, MS or CN as a verified or unverified insider. However, a friend of Smich's was interviewed on camera in his defense. A friend of DM's who doesn't even live in Canada made some statements about him being a hillbilly and not knowing that he had money. A friend of Noudga said the same even though he took Noudga skydiving and on vacations. If he paid for these things (including jet skis, tours in his own helicopter) then he obviously has money.

It was the student from the TFS that said he was a hillbilly. The friend only said that he was always paying and organizing things at a restaurant and that he bought things for his friends, but never talked about how he afforded it or what he did for a job.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/17/dellen-millard-suspect-in-tim-bosmas-death-was-always-a-little-different-classmate-says/

His girlfriend's friend simply said he was modest and didn't act spoiled or particularly well-off. He was soft spoken and never acted like he had money, treated his girlfriend well and took her on vacations.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/inside-the-life-of-dellen-millard-the-man-charged-with-killing-tim-bosma/article12009016/

 

[Alethea Dice]

Rage is a thrill. Allowing yourself to lose control and let your anger run away on you is a thrill.

Not to me, it's not. There's nothing thrilling about being so angry you lose control, even when you don't go to the extreme of killing the person you're angry with. I've heard of many murders that happen out of rage, and the killer usually has some regrets about both the death and the loss of control. But that's JMO.

 

[swedie]

Yes, it is true that WM's death was originally classified as a suicide, but I haven't seen the autopsy report yet that says he was shot in the eye. Most MSM reports just said he was shot in the head, which could certainly include the eye, but I haven't seen any confirmation of it yet. Is this the same source that said there were "hundreds" of stolen cars in the hangar?

Respectfully does it matter whether it was the eye or the head? Same difference IMO. DM is now being charged with his father's murder. Maybe that source had seen "hundreds" of stolen vehicles come and go from the hangar over a period of time. Until the facts come out, I wouldn't dismiss sources as some would like to do. MOO.

 

[swedie]

It was the student from the TFS that said he was a hillbilly. The friend only said that he was always paying and organizing things at a restaurant and that he bought things for his friends, but never talked about how he afforded it or what he did for a job.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/17/dellen-millard-suspect-in-tim-bosmas-death-was-always-a-little-different-classmate-says/

His girlfriend's friend simply said he was modest and didn't act spoiled or particularly well-off. He was soft spoken and never acted like he had money, treated his girlfriend well and took her on vacations.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/inside-the-life-of-dellen-millard-the-man-charged-with-killing-tim-bosma/article12009016/

You don't suspect that student could have also been his friend? It's a possibility one should consider IMO.

 

[swedie]

Not to me, it's not. There's nothing thrilling about being so angry you lose control, even when you don't go to the extreme of killing the person you're angry with. I've heard of many murders that happen out of rage, and the killer usually has some regrets about both the death and the loss of control. But that's JMO.

Would you consider the motive was to steal TB's truck, but in order to steal his truck and cover their tracks, they wanted to remove the main witness (their hope, he was their only witness), they planned in advance and got a thrill out of the thoughts of how they were going to murder TB and incinerate his body? Does that fit your understanding of a thrill kill? If not, what would you classify my theory? TIA and MOO.

 

[matou]

I'm just thankful they didn't kill Sharlene and her baby too. JMO

 

[swedie]

I'm just thankful they didn't kill Sharlene and her baby too. JMO

And the business owner who they went out on a test drive with the day before TB's murder. They most likely chickened out because the guy was too big for them. Sadly though WM and LB also became victims of theirs. Just have to be thankful they were caught when they were. Who knows how many other murders they would have planned and carried out. MOO.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Respectfully does it matter whether it was the eye or the head? Same difference IMO. DM is now being charged with his father's murder. Maybe that source had seen "hundreds" of stolen vehicles come and go from the hangar over a period of time. Until the facts come out, I wouldn't dismiss sources as some would like to do. MOO.

Not at all, unless you're using that as some kind of confirmation that the LE not connected to the case knew all the facts and wasn't just repeating rumours.

HTH

Are you suggesting that someone in LE sat outside the hangar over a period of time and watched hundreds of stolen vehicles go in and out and did nothing? Wow, that would be putting tax dollars to good use, wouldn't it?

 

[Alethea Dice]

You don't suspect that student could have also been his friend? It's a possibility one should consider IMO.

Nope. The article didn't say he was either. Just that he was a schoolmate.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Would you consider the motive was to steal TB's truck, but in order to steal his truck and cover their tracks, they wanted to remove the main witness (their hope, he was their only witness), they planned in advance and got a thrill out of the thoughts of how they were going to murder TB and incinerate his body? Does that fit your understanding of a thrill kill? If not, what would you classify my theory? TIA and MOO.

What? If the motive was to steal the truck, then you already have the motive. But if the motive was a thrill kill, then there's no reason to steal a truck to do that. It doesn't fit with all the links about thrill kills IMO.

 

[swedie]

Not at all, unless you're using that as some kind of confirmation that the LE not connected to the case knew all the facts and wasn't just repeating rumours.

HTH

Are you suggesting that someone in LE sat outside the hangar over a period of time and watched hundreds of stolen vehicles go in and out and did nothing? Wow, that would be putting tax dollars to good use, wouldn't it?

I see you assumed I was meaning LE watching the hangar. No, I was meaning someone who may have been a buddy of DM and/or MS...maybe two, three or more buddies who saw the comings and goings. Don't forget, it's been suggested DM ran with two different types of crowds. Maybe it was the "nicer" crowd who did much talking with LE. They wouldn't be the first friends to be surprised to find out their friend is a murderer turning them to foes and assisting LE. Could have been MA employees saw vehicles coming and going not realizing they were stolen. Maybe the airport had surveillance LE looked at to see vehicles coming and going after DM's arrest. MOO.

 

[swedie]

What? If the motive was to steal the truck, then you already have the motive. But if the motive was a thrill kill, then there's no reason to steal a truck to do that. It doesn't fit with all the links about thrill kills IMO.

Sure it fits. The truck was a bonus and they got their thrill of murdering and incinerating their victim...again. MOO. Show me the links you are referring to that don't make this theory fit please.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I see you assumed I was meaning LE watching the hangar. No, I was meaning someone who may have been a buddy of DM and/or MS...maybe two, three or more buddies who saw the comings and goings. Don't forget, it's been suggested DM ran with two different types of crowds. Maybe it was the "nicer" crowd who did much talking with LE. They wouldn't be the first friends to be surprised to find out their friend is a murderer turning them to foes and assisting LE. Could have been MA employees saw vehicles coming and going not realizing they were stolen. Maybe the airport had surveillance LE looked at to see vehicles coming and going after DM's arrest. MOO.

But now you're changing the whole context of what I said. I asked if the source was the same source who described the thrill kill, the LE not connected to the case. Because what LE, the ones connected to the case, actually said was:

"I can confirm that the motorcycle written about was recovered in the hangar by the Hamilton Police. There were a number of vehicles and/or parts found in the hangar and this remains under investigation," Const. Debbie McGreal-Dinning of the Hamilton Police Service said in an email.

Police say they're still trying to track down owners of the discovered vehicles, putting the number found at less than 10.

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/3250211-stolen-vehicles-found-inside-millard-s-airport-hangar/

Note that they didn't even say those "less than 10" vehicles were stolen, only that they were in the hangar.

HTH

 

[Alethea Dice]

Sure it fits. The truck was a bonus and they got their thrill of murdering and incinerating their victim...again. MOO. Show me the links you are referring to that don't make this theory fit please.

Just read back a page or two. HTH

 

[Tamarind]

I am curious as to what you mean as to "real motive"...that a thrill kill is not a real motive just like circumstantial evidence is not real evidence?

That unless the motive centered around something material (and DM could afford to buy any material thing, remember) then there is no motive?

You may want to look into jury nullification. If the jury does not believe in the law as it is applied to a certain case, for example: they don't believe DM should be charged with murdering his father as it was ruled a suicide and there is only circumstantial evidence no firm evidence, they can acquit.