Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory

[Kamille]

I just saw this again:





So he was buying a condo just before he killed TB and during the time he seemed to be trolling with MS looking for a Dodge Ram truck online. Hmmmmm. He's spending money and then trying to steal/murder.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...was-always-a-little-different-classmate-says/

Well it's apparent that DM wasn't trying to purchase a new engine for his truck. Any car buffs on here who know if he could have just purchased the same type of engine that was in Tim's truck and what that might have cost him? Did the red Ram require a specific type of engine and/or year that was no longer available to purchase? And how long it might have taken to get it if he could? If he was going to make that Baja race, he had a deadline. So maybe the "bargain hunter" didn't want to pay 25 grand for a new engine by purchasing the whole truck and figured he'd just take it. I'm still on the fence about them planning to kill the owner. I think something happened or something was said to make DM feel in that split second that this person was going to be a problem for him and he had to eliminate him.

Also perhaps there was something about the engine in the other truck that wasn't quite right for what they needed so that's why they didn't try to steal it?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Wasn't the trailer pulled up all the way to the garage door? I can't remember but we were posting about the logistics of this and there was a poster who lived on MB's street who posted photos of the trailer too IIRC.

Do we have a picture? I would think it was backed up to the garage door?

MOO

ETA: I had a picture still saved but not sure if I can post it because I have no link but yes, it was backed right up to the garage. That was necessary to fit it into the driveway.

 

[Kamille]

It is still beyond human comprehension why DM and MS didn't simply steal a truck and have no interaction with the truck's owner.

I know. But if they were on a deadline and that truck was exactly what they wanted, then perhaps they realized they'd never be able to steal it from the Bosma's property after having gone there and checked out the area and the possibility of just pulling a trailer in there and loading the truck on it. Did Tim always park it in a garage? Was Sharlene always at home?

What was specific about that truck that they decided they had to have it at all costs?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

I wonder this too. I also wonder when DM's mother went out of town. Neighbours said that DM rarely went to her home. JMO

Before the trailer showed up last Thursday, Dimas didn't even know Burns's son by name. Dellen Millard rarely visited his mother, he said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/19/tim_bosma_neighbours_miss_millards_quiet_mother.html

I also wonder when she went out of town, was it a planned trip, and why DM waited a couple of days before dropping the truck off there. Where was it for those two days? If they wanted the engine you'd think it would have been taken directly to the hangar to begin work on stripping it down. Weren't the seats already missing? Although that likely had more to do with the fact they probably transported a deceased body in it. And the trailer that was used to hide the truck in was likely also in the hangar at the time they stole the truck.

So I'm going to guess that the truck was likely at the hangar until the media exploded with the information that TB and his truck were missing. DM just couldn't take the chance that any of his other friends or his "accountant" or any other "employees" like SS who may have had access to the hangar or would expect to come to "work" at the hangar would see that truck there.

MOO

 

[cansleuther]

Well it's apparent that DM wasn't trying to purchase a new engine for his truck. Any car buffs on here who know if he could have just purchased the same type of engine that was in Tim's truck and what that might have cost him?

Incidentally one of the items that SS was selling on Kijiji was a rebuilt Hemi engine that would have fit a Dodge Ram - without having to convert the truck to run on diesel, as TB's Cummins would have required. IIRC it mentioned that it had been professionally rebuilt at a garage in Mississauga.

 

[Variant]

Incidentally one of the items that SS was selling on Kijiji was a rebuilt Hemi engine that would have fit a Dodge Ram - without having to convert the truck to run on diesel, as TB's Cummins would have required. IIRC it mentioned that it had been professionally rebuilt at a garage in Mississauga.

The Cummins in TB's truck runs on diesel. That particular Cummins model in his truck is more desirable than later Cummins engines to some, which is why one might speculate that it was specifically targeted.

 

[cansleuther]

The Cummins in TB's truck runs on diesel.

It was suggested that DM wanted TB's diesel engine to put in his own red Ram, which does did not have a diesel engine, so modifications would have been required. If the rebuilt engine that was already in the hangar were to have been used, it would not have required any modifications.

 

[Variant]

It was suggested that DM wanted TB's diesel engine to put in his own red Ram, which does did not have a diesel engine, so modifications would have been required. If the rebuilt engine that was already in the hangar were to have been used, it would not have required any modifications.

But if he wanted diesel, the rebuilt gasoline hemi would not have served his purpose.

 

[swedie]

I've posted my theory a few times. ....I think it's more then that. I'm still convinced TN saw or heard something at the hanger and they were seeking him out. I may be totally off base but something does not add up


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IMHO they wanted a truck. Whether it was the business owners, Tim's or someone elses, they wanted a truck and were prepared to murder over one. What was the reason behind the truck though? I've always thought that but my thought now is that they wanted it for transporting drugs and probably guns also. Is this how the gun charges have been laid also against all these other people? Everything seems to have come full circle to me.

When LE searched the accused homes, the hangar and possibly the barn did they find a stash of guns and possibly drugs? I really believe DM was looking for a way to earn big money and it obviously didn't include what his father had hoped for him. The hangar was to serve a very useful purpose for chopping Tim's truck but the chop didn't happen because the heat was on and they had to hide Tim's truck until things settled down, the heat was off. Thus the trailer with Tim's truck inside being transported to MB's driveway. Had they left it on any of the suspects' properties, it was sure to be checked out if the accused fell under LE's radar and the accused knew that. Had they had left the trailer and Tim's truck in some random place, most definitely someone would have contacted LE about a trailer parked in some random place. Especially with an investigation underway looking for a missing man and his truck and hitting the MSM so intensely. My gut tells me had the neighbour not phoned in about the trailer in MB's driveway, and if DM had access to his mother's garage, and had known she was on an extend time away from her home, Tim's truck probably would have been chopped right in MB's garage, but that's JMO.

IMO I believe the accused had plans to chop Tim's vehicle and switch out the VIN and use it for further criminal activities. This way, should they have been caught down the road, they would face charges yes, but they wouldn't have had their own vehicle confiscated and they could "act" like they had no idea the truck was stolen by shifting the onus onto someone else. Or once they felt they no longer needed the truck, they could ditch the truck. I wouldn't be surprised if DM was the mastermind but had no intentions of ever doing the drug and/or gun runs, just being the "boss" and collecting the dough. He found his little croonie in MS. It was all about the truck. But that's JMO.

 

[Juballee]

I'm with you. The big guy is throwing me off. I can't figure out how he'd tie in unless they were searching the ads to find TB specifically.

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How would that work?

And the Baja race coming up where they might need a decent engine to put in the Ram to make sure it would be able to make it there. That's a long haul with a large heavy trailer in tow.

MOO

If you read back, you would see it would be almost impossible to switch engines from a diesel ram to a gas ram, any new truck would be an addition or replacement for the one DM already had.

Well you'd think that only his accomplice would know to call him on the burner phone if he still had it and was using it.

MOO

Logically, his accomplice would have been there when he destroyed the burner phone, and would have been the one person not to try to call him on it.

I've always felt Big Guy was either a dry run for the whole plan...or, as LE said, his imposing size presented a problem for them and they aborted the plan. One macabre thought is that, due to big guy's size, maybe it was going to be too difficult to get him into the incinerator (didn't we determine the aperture was pretty small?).

Didn't we determine that if it was the smaller, chicken sized incinerator, that anyone would have to be dismembered to fit into the size and angle of the opening, and if it was the cow sized incinerator, well, cows are bigger than even a really big guy.




It is beyond comprehension why someone with the money to buy trucks and condos would steal one, and why if they felt that they had to steal one, that a car-jacking would be the easiest way, that is so illogical that it really lends itself to thinking that perhaps the simplest, most logical solution is what really happened, which would be that they were test driving trucks to actually buy when something went completely wrong. They made a bumbling effort to cover their tracks, which again, anyone with a 5th grade education and the tools that they had on hand could have planned much better, which suggests logically that there was no forethought to this crime, just scrambled afterthought.

CN could have done something as simple as called the burner phone on the 9th, and then lied to LE about it when they questioned all of the people who came up on the phone's production order. I really don't think the world is that much safer with her behind bars, and I certainly think calling for the death penalty for her is a tad over zealous.

All my opinion only.

 

[matou]

Why walk up to the area where they are supposed to try out the trucks then? Why show up at 9 pm?

CN knew he was involved in the murder of TB as per LE so how did she know? Did DM tell her or was she there when it happened?

 

[Variant]

IMHO they wanted a truck. Whether it was the business owners, Tim's or someone elses, they wanted a truck and were prepared to murder over one. What was the reason behind the truck though? I've always thought that but my thought now is that they wanted it for transporting drugs and probably guns also. Is this how the gun charges have been laid also against all these other people? Everything seems to have come full circle to me.

When LE searched the accused homes, the hangar and possibly the barn did they find a stash of guns and possibly drugs? I really believe DM was looking for a way to earn big money and it obviously didn't include what his father had hoped for him. The hangar was to serve a very useful purpose for chopping Tim's truck but the chop didn't happen because the heat was on and they had to hide Tim's truck until things settled down, the heat was off. Thus the trailer with Tim's truck inside being transported to MB's driveway. Had they left it on any of the suspects' properties, it was sure to be checked out if the accused fell under LE's radar and the accused knew that. Had they had left the trailer and Tim's truck in some random place, most definitely someone would have contacted LE about a trailer parked in some random place. Especially with an investigation underway looking for a missing man and his truck and hitting the MSM so intensely. My gut tells me had the neighbour not phoned in about the trailer in MB's driveway, and if DM had access to his mother's garage, and had known she was on an extend time away from her home, Tim's truck probably would have been chopped right in MB's garage, but that's JMO.

IMO I believe the accused had plans to chop Tim's vehicle and switch out the VIN and use it for further criminal activities. This way, should they have been caught down the road, they would face charges yes, but they wouldn't have had their own vehicle confiscated and they could "act" like they had no idea the truck was stolen by shifting the onus onto someone else. Or once they felt they no longer needed the truck, they could ditch the truck. I wouldn't be surprised if DM was the mastermind but had no intentions of ever doing the drug and/or gun runs, just being the "boss" and collecting the dough. He found his little croonie in MS. It was all about the truck. But that's JMO.

Tim's truck is a good choice if one is looking for a heavy duty hauler for pulling trailers full of cars or whatever - lots of torque and should be more fuel efficient than a hemi engine.

But I have the feeling that while the model was a choice they made, the truck was a MacGuffin to frame their plan for a new adventure.

 

[Sphinx]

DM must have thought he was untouchable. "Heaven sent"! I wonder if CN and MS were more heavily into drugs and were thus more willing to participate. It's hard to imagine they were all psychopaths ....

I have never used illegal drugs, but I understand that one side affect of cocaine use is a feeling of invulnerability, and superiority. DM is reported to have been selling cocaine, and giving some to LB. It is possible that their nerve to kill and steal that night came partially from drug use before the crime. This does not make them any less guilty. I can picture them in my imagination using it before, after and during the incineration of the bodies of LB and TB .

CN seems to have lost much of her nerve and love of risk taking when she appeared in court, shackled at the ankles, twisting her hands, and biting on her lower lip. Sharlene Bosma stared at her the whole time, and CN did not have the nerve to look back at her. Without the stimulus of cocaine, and the company of bad friends, she may crack soon, and start to talk to The Crown. I hope so for the sake of Justice for the Bosma and Babcock families, and the brave young former boyfriend of LB, who tried to help her, then approached LE with her phone records when he insisted she was missing, and that DM was the last person she called.

CN has quite a tale to tell, and everything to lose if she remains quiet. I think too that there are many other minor league criminals who came into contact with DM, MS, and CN, that may have much to say. She had better start talking while she still has valuable information the Crown can not get from others. Of course she may be in much deeper than that, and she could know that it is just a matter of time until LE upgrades her charges. It does not appear like her lawyer is telling her to talk to The Crown.

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

Well it's apparent that DM wasn't trying to purchase a new engine for his truck. Any car buffs on here who know if he could have just purchased the same type of engine that was in Tim's truck and what that might have cost him? Did the red Ram require a specific type of engine and/or year that was no longer available to purchase? And how long it might have taken to get it if he could? If he was going to make that Baja race, he had a deadline. So maybe the "bargain hunter" didn't want to pay 25 grand for a new engine by purchasing the whole truck and figured he'd just take it. I'm still on the fence about them planning to kill the owner. I think something happened or something was said to make DM feel in that split second that this person was going to be a problem for him and he had to eliminate him.

Also perhaps there was something about the engine in the other truck that wasn't quite right for what they needed so that's why they didn't try to steal it?

MOO

Kamille, IMO, the fact that they showed up in person-thus able to be identified, regardless if they were going to steal the truck or murder someone, leads me to believe that they were confident that if they were ever questioned about anything down the road, that DM would be able to easily slide out of any involvement. He'd already played the grieving son...and heck, LE had never even questioned him about LB. That couldn't help but boost a killers confidence level. MOO

From their history in the murder business, police were slow to react. So, an Ancaster guy goes for a test drive and doesn't come home. The wife calls the police and LE say "he's a grown man...how's your marriage?" DM & MS may very well have thought they had weeks, if not months before any dots were connected and any questions were asked. By then, all evidence leading to them would be gone. Body, truck...everything. IMO, they never thought for one minute that the public and LE hunt for TB would start almost "instantly" and I seriously doubt any of them had ever visited WS to get an idea of how much info in this wired world can be brought to the surface in record speed.

Also, they didn't realize that police services are different. HPS stood up and took notice right from the start-they reached out via social media. Nice young hardworking dutch family-affiliation with the church-wife and baby at home, lots of friends-guys arriving on foot. HPS was all over it like white on rice, and that IMHO is why this case is where it is today. RIP Tim-IMO, your death was senseless and preventable- if only TPS hadn't dropped the LB ball WM and TB may very well be alive today. JMHO

 

[swedie]

I just saw this again:





So he was buying a condo just before he killed TB and during the time he seemed to be trolling with MS looking for a Dodge Ram truck online. Hmmmmm. He's spending money and then trying to steal/murder.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...was-always-a-little-different-classmate-says/

What I cannot wrap my mind around is, if the condo or any other property was bought with crime money, how is it DM was allowed to sell them to his mother and then her being able to turn around and sell them? Proceeds of crime...I can see the childhood house being sold as that was more than likely paid off years ago while CM still had ownership. But my gut tells me the condo at least was purchased with money earned from criminal activity.

I think we can now safely assume IMO DM would have went out and purchased a truck new if he just wanted a truck for the Baha racing in Mexico. The truck was needed/wanted for nefarious reasons only. I just cannot see them risking crossing two boarders; US and Mexico with a stolen truck. Especially knowing there was still a missing truck and a man and this information would have been well advertised at the boarders. IF that might have been part of the plan for Tim's truck (Baha) at least DM I can see him not taking the chance of getting caught. He would have been smart enough that way to put someone else in the driver's seat. When DP repeatedly refers to DM being intelligent, I think he's meaning that in more ways than one if you kwim.

The people who partook in the Baha racing seem to have been cleared by LE and I'm thinking they were in a different circle of friends then those who where into enjoying criminal activities with DM. To me it appears DM and MS and possibly the "gun" dealers are that other circle of friends. And I get the impression the Baha group weren't even aware of any stolen vehicles (the Harley for one), were stolen. Well at least one of them of course who we cannot discuss. I believe what he is doing now is just helping MB out. What makes me believe this is that no other charges have come forth...yet. MOO.

 

[Kamille]

How would that work?




If you read back, you would see it would be almost impossible to switch engines from a diesel ram to a gas ram, any new truck would be an addition or replacement for the one DM already had.

Thanks for that clarification. So they would have used the actual stolen truck and perhaps crossed a couple of borders with it? Could they have transferred the VIN from the Ram? I admit I'm not much of a vehicle person so I'm wondering how they planned to use the stolen truck without possibility of getting caught with it, even if they had just stolen the truck and not killed the owner?


Logically, his accomplice would have been there when he destroyed the burner phone, and would have been the one person not to try to call him on it.

Do you happen to remember when he destroyed the burner phone? My memory is kind of foggy on some of these smaller details.


Didn't we determine that if it was the smaller, chicken sized incinerator, that anyone would have to be dismembered to fit into the size and angle of the opening, and if it was the cow sized incinerator, well, cows are bigger than even a really big guy.

I have to agree that if the plan was to steal the truck and kill the owner right from the get go, then the size of the owner may not have been a deterrent unless there was no gun involved. I'm still very much on the fence about that being the actual plan though. My thinking is that they had a couple of ads that they wanted to check out and that the first truck was just not what they wanted.



It is beyond comprehension why someone with the money to buy trucks and condos would steal one, and why if they felt that they had to steal one, that a car-jacking would be the easiest way, that is so illogical that it really lends itself to thinking that perhaps the simplest, most logical solution is what really happened, which would be that they were test driving trucks to actually buy when something went completely wrong. They made a bumbling effort to cover their tracks, which again, anyone with a 5th grade education and the tools that they had on hand could have planned much better, which suggests logically that there was no forethought to this crime, just scrambled afterthought.

While we may differ in the opinion that I think they may have been test driving trucks to steal, rather than buy, just because they could and there were some stolen vehicles in the hangar (we have no idea how many other stolen vehicles there may have been over the years in the old hangar), I do agree that perhaps something went wrong which led to TB's death. The cover up does certainly seem a little bumbled but it's unnerving how quickly they were able to dispose of Tim and move things around. DM had the incinerator, so disposing of the body was no problem, but apparently he didn't know what to do about the truck. Although running it off a dark pier into a large body of water might have been more successful if you were panicking about having it in your possession. Parking it in your mother's driveway? Yeah, that was an odd move. Unless he still felt that he could get away with this and keep the truck. My question from the beginning of this is if that first man who went on the test drive did not notice that particular tattoo, where would this investigation be today? Would DM and MS have ever been caught?

CN could have done something as simple as called the burner phone on the 9th, and then lied to LE about it when they questioned all of the people who came up on the phone's production order. I really don't think the world is that much safer with her behind bars, and I certainly think calling for the death penalty for her is a tad over zealous.

I have no desire to enter into a debate about the death penalty so I'm not going to touch that but I do think that it's possible LE have only touched on the surface of CN's knowledge and/or involvement in all three murders. We will have to see if she's brought up on more charges (it took LE almost a year for DM and MS after getting their electronics and such) as to what penalty is suitable for her. As it stands now though, a life sentence (or death penalty if we had one) for her would not be appropriate at all.

All my opinion only.

Answers bolded above. MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

What I cannot wrap my mind around is, if the condo or any other property was bought with crime money, how is it DM was allowed to sell them to his mother and then her being able to turn around and sell them? Proceeds of crime...I can see the childhood house being sold as that was more than likely paid off years ago while CM still had ownership. But my gut tells me the condo at least was purchased with money earned from criminal activity.

I think we can now safely assume IMO DM would have went out and purchased a truck new if he just wanted a truck for the Baha racing in Mexico. The truck was needed/wanted for nefarious reasons only. I just cannot see them risking crossing two boarders; US and Mexico with a stolen truck. Especially knowing there was still a missing truck and a man and this information would have been well advertised at the boarders. IF that might have been part of the plan for Tim's truck (Baha) at least DM I can see him not taking the chance of getting caught. He would have been smart enough that way to put someone else in the driver's seat. When DP repeatedly refers to DM being intelligent, I think he's meaning that in more ways than one if you kwim.

The people who partook in the Baha racing seem to have been cleared by LE and I'm thinking they were in a different circle of friends then those who where into enjoying criminal activities with DM. To me it appears DM and MS and possibly the "gun" dealers are that other circle of friends. And I get the impression the Baha group weren't even aware of any stolen vehicles (the Harley for one), were stolen. Well at least one of them of course who we cannot discuss. I believe what he is doing now is just helping MB out. What makes me believe this is that no other charges have come forth...yet. MOO.

Swedie- IMO, you're correct in saying that DM had 2 groups of friends. One were achievers- had jobs, went to school and partied/toked on the side. IMO, they viewed DM as Mr. Nice Guy. DM traveled with them and shared his "normal" toys with them. IMO, DM was an underachiever and his access to money and all the things that money can buy is what kept him feeling adequate in this circle. MOO

Then, on the other side of the tracks were DM's hoodlum friends. This is where DM would have been King and where MS would have come in. The "gangsta's"- rappers-wannabe thugs and real life thugs. This set of friends would be more impressed with cool gun holsters, guns, coke, ecstacy and pot. IMO, high school diploma's in this circle would be few but lot's of violent relationships, young teen mothers, welfare etc. A land where making gross video's was hot, crime was cool and getting busted or being on parole was common. JMHO

 

[Kamille]

Kamille, IMO, the fact that they showed up in person-thus able to be identified, regardless if they were going to steal the truck or murder someone, leads me to believe that they were confident that if they were ever questioned about anything down the road, that DM would be able to easily slide out of any involvement. He'd already played the grieving son...and heck, LE had never even questioned him about LB. That couldn't help but boost a killers confidence level. MOO

From their history in the murder business, police were slow to react. So, an Ancaster guy goes for a test drive and doesn't come home. The wife calls the police and LE say "he's a grown man...how's your marriage?" DM & MS may very well have thought they had weeks, if not months before any dots were connected and any questions were asked. By then, all evidence leading to them would be gone. Body, truck...everything. IMO, they never thought for one minute that the public and LE hunt for TB would start almost "instantly" and I seriously doubt any of them had ever visited WS to get an idea of how much info in this wired world can be brought to the surface in record speed.

Also, they didn't realize that police services are different. HPS stood up and took notice right from the start-they reached out via social media. Nice young hardworking dutch family-affiliation with the church-wife and baby at home, lots of friends-guys arriving on foot. HPS was all over it like white on rice, and that IMHO is why this case is where it is today. RIP Tim-IMO, your death was senseless and preventable- if only TPS hadn't dropped the LB ball WM and TB may very well be alive today. JMHO

Excellent post! Very much what I've been thinking. They just didn't think they'd get caught, whether they had just planned to steal the truck or whether committing murder was part of the plan. Perhaps DM felt he was invincible with two murders under his belt and even if the murder wasn't planned but rather just happened, he already had experience with LE in how they respond to adult missing person's cases and even deaths. Very slowly, if at all.

MOO

 

[musicaljoke]

... I just cannot see them risking crossing two boarders; US and Mexico with a stolen truck. Especially knowing there was still a missing truck and a man and this information would have been well advertised at the boarders. IF that might have been part of the plan for Tim's truck (Baha) at least DM I can see him not taking the chance of getting caught. He would have been smart enough that way to put someone else in the driver's seat. When DP repeatedly refers to DM being intelligent, I think he's meaning that in more ways than one if you kwim. . .

... unless, DM had already successfully taken stolen vehicles across the borders. Do we know that the vehicles he acquired in Mexico or the US were legal transactions? DM was bold in his criminal activity, so I doubt that fears of a border vehicle check would slow him down.

 

[Kamille]

Swedie- IMO, you're correct in saying that DM had 2 groups of friends. One were achievers- had jobs, went to school and partied/toked on the side. IMO, they viewed DM as Mr. Nice Guy. DM traveled with them and shared his "normal" toys with them. IMO, DM was an underachiever and his access to money and all the things that money can buy is what kept him feeling adequate in this circle. MOO

Then, on the other side of the tracks were DM's hoodlum friends. This is where DM would have been King and where MS would have come in. The "gangsta's"- rappers-wannabe thugs and real life thugs. This set of friends would be more impressed with cool gun holsters, guns, coke, ecstacy and pot. IMO, high school diploma's in this circle would be few but lot's of violent relationships, young teen mothers, welfare etc. A land where making gross video's was hot, crime was cool and getting busted or being on parole was common. JMHO

Very good summary. Are we to assume that CN also travelled in both worlds with DM? I have a feeling his fiancé did not. Which may explain why that didn't work out so well.

MOO