Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory

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  • #741
I disagree. I think that we are going to find out that CN played more than a minor role and that she will not talk to save herself a lengthy jail sentence.

Thinking back to some of the more recent horrific murders in Southern Ontario (Tori Stafford, Nicole Paquette), the female participants were willing accomplices. KH wasn't as innocent as she portrayed herself to be either. We all know the deal she was given and the outrage it created when the tapes were discovered. I hope a deal like that never happens again.

I also wonder if some of the busts going down in Toronto and around Southern Ontario since October (guns, drugs, prostitution) resulted from the "largest computer seizure" in the DM case.

ETA most recent report of drug related arrests by OPP: Ashton Patis ‏@AshtonPatis 14m
OPP bust 3 drug trafficking rings in ON, 2 were importing drugs from Mexico. 12 charged, 12kg of cocaine seized, 3.5kg of meth #ck #sx #lm

(oops, just discovered this bust involved local mennonites- doubtful it's connected-sorry)
Oh I believe you're right on the moola with CN being a tad bit more involved, however, I still think that she's a good candidate for spilling the beans for her own survival- especially if her lawyer is reading over the volumes of disclosure and perhaps getting a few details that she may have forgotten to mention to him.

I still think that at her young age, she may be weighing things out a bit differently these days-if there is in fact a mountain of evidence, then maybe she'll start wondering what life will be like when she gets out of jail at 47. IMHO, she's ripe for a plea bargain-if the Crown is interested- but now looking back on things, I also thought that MS would plea bargain shortly after his arrest!! Ms S isn't looking too good on the predictions front!!! :floorlaugh:
 
  • #742
Oh I believe you're right on the moola with CN being a tad bit more involved, however, I still think that she's a good candidate for spilling the beans for her own survival- especially if her lawyer is reading over the volumes of disclosure and perhaps getting a few details that she may have forgotten to mention to him.

I still think that at her young age, she may be weighing things out a bit differently these days-if there is in fact a mountain of evidence, then maybe she'll start wondering what life will be like when she gets out of jail at 47. IMHO, she's ripe for a plea bargain-if the Crown is interested- but now looking back on things, I also thought that MS would plea bargain shortly after his arrest!! Ms S isn't looking too good on the predictions front!!! :floorlaugh:


This young one has my little shoulder demons arguing a lot.

The guy on my left is a slight bit sympathetic and is hoping this young thing got sucked into a nasty web by telling a few lies and sings like a canary and can make something better out of her life (albeit with a reasonable penalty)

The guy on my right is disgusted with her and saying there is something fishy here and fully expects more to come out on her. After all she kept her little secret for nearly a year without telling anyone (except maybe her lawyer) That it itself makes my blood curl. Seriously, how could she carry on her daily life knowing what she (and they) did like nothing happened? Only someone with something to hide hires a lawyer many months in advance of an arrest.

ALL JMO
 
  • #743
...JMHO...this whole thing smells...very very fishy..is my gut feelings...and there is way more than we dare to try to understand...and I also have been feeling that there are many many more involved...a huge ring..just my gut feelings...again just my gut feelings....How can such a dirt deed be done...Tim's body went thru an Inciderator which I feel speaks volumes on how they thought this could all be hidden...not the smartest apples in the basket with all the forensic that is around today....JMHO again huge evidence found on computers and on the social networks...and no one is singing...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmthat smells more fishy ...JMHO...do not worry all those that are GUESTS here...all shall be uncovered I feel as this has been dug into deeply by so many tasks forces...amen JUSTICE shall arrive Mr. Tim Bosma...robynhood.!!!!..again JMHO...I have many many ??????...the end for now...
 
  • #744
This young one has my little shoulder demons arguing a lot.

The guy on my left is a slight bit sympathetic and is hoping this young thing got sucked into a nasty web by telling a few lies and sings like a canary and can make something better out of her life (albeit with a reasonable penalty)

The guy on my right is disgusted with her and saying there is something fishy here and fully expects more to come out on her. After all she kept her little secret for nearly a year without telling anyone (except maybe her lawyer) That it itself makes my blood curl. Seriously, how could she carry on her daily life knowing what she (and they) did like nothing happened? Only someone with something to hide hires a lawyer many months in advance of an arrest.

ALL JMO

I had that angel and devil thing going on for awhile too. But I think the devil on my right is starting to win the battle.

JMO
 
  • #745
I disagree. I think that we are going to find out that CN played more than a minor role and that she will not talk to save herself a lengthy jail sentence.

Thinking back to some of the more recent horrific murders in Southern Ontario (Tori Stafford, Nicole Paquette), the female participants were willing accomplices. KH wasn't as innocent as she portrayed herself to be either. We all know the deal she was given and the outrage it created when the tapes were discovered. I hope a deal like that never happens again.

I agree. It may be her safest bet to stay silent. An accessory charge still comes with a life sentence, so she may hope that the evidence in regards to her role is lacking and she has a chance to get off. If she talks, that chance is out the window. All she could hope for is a lesser sentence. If they have the evidence for the others, there is no reason for a deal with her. I'd really hate to see another unnecessary deal.

JMO
 
  • #746
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/all-3-bosma-suspects-make-court-appearance-1.2651205


The three people who have been charged in connection with the killing of Ancaster’s Tim Bosma appeared in a Hamilton courtroom Thursday.

Dellen Millard, 28, and Mark Smich, 26, are both charged with first degree murder in connection with Bosma’s death. Millard appeared by video in an orange prison-issue jumpsuit with his hands behind his back. His hair has grown longer and has almost reached his chin. Smich appeared in a similar jumpsuit with his hands clasped in front of him. .....
 
  • #747
If all the accused said absolutely nothing , didn't even take the stand in their own defense , the defense lawyers could have a heyday in court

Defense could acknowledge a murder had taken place , the defense could acknowledge there may be circumstantial evidence connected to all the accused , but the prosecutors could have a hard time proving who did the actual killing

They most likely will all be implicated , but if there was no proof of premeditation , or who actually did it , the charges may have to be reduced in order for the prosecution to get a guilty verdict

Defense lawyers could even propose it may have simply been a car-jacking gone wrong which lead to accidental homicide etc.
<rsbm>

Take heart Arnie. IIRC, both DM and MS are also charged with forcible confinement. SB's likely identification of them leaving with Tim, bookended with Tim's remains being found on the farm and the truck at DM's moms, will probably get them on that. Then, under Sec 231.5 of the CCC, it doesn't have to be premeditated to constitute 1st degree murder if the murder took place during such forcible confinement:

from:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-115.html#docCont

(5) Irrespective of whether a murder is planned and deliberate on the part of any person, murder is first degree murder in respect of a person when the death is caused by that person while committing or attempting to commit an offence under one of the following sections:

(a) section 76 (hijacking an aircraft);
(b) section 271 (sexual assault);
(c) section 272 (sexual assault with a weapon, threats to a third party or causing bodily harm);
(d) section 273 (aggravated sexual assault);
(e) section 279 (kidnapping and forcible confinement); or
(f) section 279.1 (hostage taking).

Very similar to the Tori Stafford case .. forcible confinement, both MR and TLM left with Tori in the vehicle, couldn't prove which of them actually did the killing, but both found Guilty of 1st degree murder :biggrin:
 
  • #748
I wonder what's up with the long hair? I wonder if it's meant to serve as a disguise in case he ends up in GP. Maybe he's afraid of the barber with scissors or razor in his hands. Recalling back to Michael Rafferty's trail and how part way through the trial, MR showed up in the prisoner's box with a really bad haircut. I have to wonder whose decision that was. Maybe the barber slipped up. That haircut made him look more pathetic then he already did. Maybe that's what DM fears. I think you may be right MsSherlock, doesn't sound like he's fairing too well in jail. Remember this from a year ago?

May 15, 2013
Dellen Millard, 27, looked tired and unshaven as he appeared in a Hamilton courtroom Wednesday and was charged in the death of Tim Bosma, 32.

&#8220;He is tired, he&#8217;s unshaved which is not the norm for him. Normally he&#8217;s very clean-cut,&#8221; Paradkar said.


http://thechronicleherald.ca/canada/1129628-toronto-man-charged-with-murder-in-bosma-death

Then there was the recent court appearance via satellite where the judge confused him with someone else.

Millard was also in an orange jumpsuit, with his hair almost to his shoulders. He ran his hands through it, and then held them behind his back. The judge got him confused with someone else. &#8220;No, I&#8217;m Dellen Millard,&#8221; he said. And then, just, &#8220;Alright. Thank you," at the end.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/men-accused-in-tim-bosma-s-death-appear-in-court-1.2589213
red bbm

We already know DM with hair in nearly shoulder length, it isn't the first time he's wearing this. (It looks good on him. :blushing:)
 

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  • #749
red bbm

We already know DM with hair in nearly shoulder length, it isn't the first time he's wearing this. (It looks good on him. :blushing:)

If you write to him he might send you an autographed photo.
 
  • #750
If you write to him he might send you an autographed photo.

:floorlaugh:

And you ask me, to be so nice to attach the pic to the next relevant post, so you may look at it also??
 
  • #751
http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/christina-noudga


Before she was arrested, Dellen Millard consistently tried to send Noudga messages through the people who visited him in jail despite the fact that she was on a list of people with whom he was ordered to have no contact.

Noudga has been involved with Millard since the summer of 2011 although he continued to see other women.
 
  • #752
I am so thankful these freaks are behind jail. They thought they were invincible. It took the pure goodness of Tim Bosma to round them up, and bring them to their knees. They thought they were above everyone. Well they were so wrong. They will rot in prison along with the scumbags they are.

Question is, how many other victims are there? If they lived in Texas, no doubt they would be going for the death penalty in their case. It is heinous beyond description. Noudga gets no pass.

Freaks
 
  • #753
<rsbm>

Take heart Arnie. IIRC, both DM and MS are also charged with forcible confinement. SB's likely identification of them leaving with Tim, bookended with Tim's remains being found on the farm and the truck at DM's moms, will probably get them on that. Then, under Sec 231.5 of the CCC, it doesn't have to be premeditated to constitute 1st degree murder if the murder took place during such forcible confinement:

from:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-115.html#docCont



Very similar to the Tori Stafford case .. forcible confinement, both MR and TLM left with Tori in the vehicle, couldn't prove which of them actually did the killing, but both found Guilty of 1st degree murder :biggrin:

Was MS charged with forcible confinement? I only remember reading the first degree murder charge for him. Not that it will matter. If he was forcibly confined and MS was there, it's still first degree. Just curious.
 
  • #754
red bbm

We already know DM with hair in nearly shoulder length, it isn't the first time he's wearing this. (It looks good on him. :blushing:)

:silly: Stud muffin Dell:crush: hahaha. I picture him in stripes and pretty greasy looking now. Never did find him attractive. :puke: Him nor his man purse... :giggle: JMHO.
 
  • #755
:silly: Stud muffin Dell:crush: hahaha. I picture him in stripes and pretty greasy looking now. Never did find him attractive. :puke: Him nor his man purse... :giggle: JMHO.

I can't translate the most important terms "stud muffin" and "man purse", but it doesn't matter. In any case I'm be laughed at and it's doubted on my mind - alright.
I looooove this: :silly: and :giggle:

Since nearly 17 years I'm happy single and personally for me that's quite right. As I often have noted shockingly, I again and again would like the optics of bad characters (though I'm not convinced about Dellen's criminal character but I'm considering).
If he is guilty, then :jail: and if MS is guilty, then :jail: and if CN is guilty, then :jail: too. IMO
 
  • #756
I can't translate the most important terms "stud muffin" and "man purse", but it doesn't matter. In any case I'm be laughed at and it's doubted on my mind - alright.
I looooove this: :silly: and :giggle:

Since nearly 17 years I'm happy single and personally for me that's quite right. As I often have noted shockingly, I again and again would like the optics of bad characters (though I'm not convinced about Dellen's criminal character but I'm considering).
If he is guilty, then :jail: and if MS is guilty, then :jail: and if CN is guilty, then :jail: too. IMO


'Stud muffin' means a man who is unusually handsome.

And 'man purse' is a slang meant to verbally emasculate men who carry their things in a satchel or shoulder bag.

It would be a shame if any opinion was formed based on some mocking comments rather than on the facts, once they actually come to light, in my opinion.
 
  • #757
'Stud muffin' means a man who is unusually handsome.

And 'man purse' is a slang meant to verbally emasculate men who carry their things in a satchel or shoulder bag.

It would be a shame if any opinion was formed based on some mocking comments rather than on the facts, once they actually come to light, in my opinion.

Thank you, you helped me! :loveyou:

Our opinion is formed on facts and evaluation, I think. All the other stuff is casually banter, but makes it amusing.
 
  • #758
Was MS charged with forcible confinement? I only remember reading the first degree murder charge for him. Not that it will matter. If he was forcibly confined and MS was there, it's still first degree. Just curious.

Thanks Alethea, you're right ... I looked forever and couldn't find that MS was also charged with forcible confinement.
 
  • #759
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/what-if-game-haunts-babcock-friend/article18832997/


‘What if?’ game haunts Babcock friend

Jill Mahoney
The Globe and Mail
Published Saturday, May. 24 2014, 8:00 AM EDT
Last updated Saturday, May. 24 2014, 8:00 AM EDT

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Then last month, Mr. Millard, 28, and his friend Mark Smich, 26, were charged with first-degree murder in relation to Ms. Babcock’s death. Mr. Millard, an heir to his family’s aviation business, faces an additional count of first-degree murder for his father’s death, which was initially deemed a suicide. Both men also face the same charge in relation to Mr. Bosma.

Mr. Millard and Mr. Smich have maintained their innocence. Mr. Millard is “quite upset” about the fresh murder charges, said his lawyer, Deepak Paradkar. “But on the other hand, he’s pretty determined to fight them,” he said.
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  • #760
So thinking about MS, when he was arrested, neighbours said that he'd been in the neighbourhood for about 10 years which takes us back to the time that he was 15. The Oakville house is owned by his mother. This is post divorce?

Before that he lived in Mississauga.

Abro informs us he was selling cigarettes in high school, and at age 18-19 he is arrested for trafficking in cocaine and in magic mushrooms, two separate events, some time apart. He is found guilty of possession.

I have to say, cocaine is quite a sophisticated product to be selling when you are 18-19. It's a large ticket item, and to have stock of the drug, you have to pony up quite a bit of cash, and all that cash and drugs lying around might mean you have an interest in weapons and thuggery, as you are your own security force when you retail drugs. Plus, it is a product you can't largely unload at high school as you would with native ciggies or pot. You have a different client base.

MS's father is a white collar professional as are MS's two older sisters. In contrast, at the end of his high school career, MS has a criminal record, lawyers fees, and somebody (mom) probably had to sign something saying they would keep an eye on him, in order to keep him out of jail. He picks up two more charges, for missing a court date, and breaking a curfew. Who called him on the missed curfew, mom? He's the youngest, the only boy, and mom promises the cops that she will mother him a bit longer.

At 21-22 he gets a DUI.

No one has stepped up as having employed or worked with MS. He has a lot of friends, and is very social, very involved with his family but he does not seem to have a day job...or have had one, ever? And everyone understood his home address to be his mother's place in Oakville, at age 25?

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-st...akville-s-smich-shocked-by-murder-accusation/

We've heard of the various courses DM took after high school but MS does not seem to have done anything other than hang around his mother's house and smoke pot on the porch for the 7 years after high school.

More than one source says that he is very devoted to his mother - no doubt, because she's his source of shelter. Regardless at some point he moves in with DM (but brings a girlfriend to pick up after him). And then at some point, he is back with mom.

You can see the synergy between DM and MS as MS has connections and access to drugs, and DM has connections and access to customers: rich kids who like to party. By the time he is arrested, MS has more than 7 years experience selling clandestine product.

When he is 24 he is arrested for tagging graffiti, and you have to wonder, at that age, come on, really? Kid stuff. Well, that's if the graffiti had no purpose...honestly, I can see him out there promoting his own brand, promoting himself as THE choice for club and party drugs. Both of his sisters are in marketing and communications and he is doing advertising his own way.

It is interesting, though, that he seems to have had a career as a drugs retailer, with no cover, while remaining enmeshed in his family. He's the kind of guy who stays home to look after his sick mother and dogs. There is something a little wonky there in the family dynamic, as if mom was so desperate to hang on to her last, youngest and only son, despite the fact that he's a convicted criminal. It seems in fact that he has the run of the house, with so many people by, and the pot smoking sessions on the front porch, making neighbours think the house is inhabited by renters.

It's interesting that none of DM, MS or CN had left their parents home by the time of their arrests. Just as MS had taken over his mother's home and overrun it with his pothead friends, DM had invited his friends to infest WM's place.

To MS, who is a professional sponge, DM is a wealth of resources: a place to stay, customers, a hangar, vehicles, money. DM is well worth getting to know.

DM's parents did a lot to try to instill diligence and routine, preparation for a career, in him. Private school. Forced him to complete by correspondence. Encouraged him to pursue courses in anything: cooking, makeup artistry, computer animation. Created the MRO. DM also had an aquarium hobby, which requires daily maintenance, and pets, which need the same, and he looked after the rental properties. He had a patchwork of responsibilities.

MS on the other hand, lives life on his own schedule by his own wits (which seem to be, substantial social/networking skills). He is a black market entrepreneur. He likely leads, influences, dominates his mother, as well as others.

DM has two groups of friends. One group is his authentic friends, the ones that came out of the way that he was raised: the blue collar trades guys, the ones that might have been buddies with CM if he were still alive today and that age.

Then DM has been to private school, and that exposes you to people with money who lead a variety of lifestyles. Look at lawyer DP, he lives life large with a palace like house and a bunch of expensive cars. That is not the lifestyle in which DM was raised, but he was exposed to people like this...so the poor bugger is eating dog biscuits at private school to proclaim he likes his humble lifestyle to the rich brats in the latest designer clothes that dine out and shop and travel and otherwise live the lifestyle.

Now MS is part of the lifestyle because he sells party favours to party people. To DM, MS is a ticket into the world of people who live fabulously. At private school, DM was the hillbilly. Then afterwards, community college, he's around pretty regular people. Then through MS, he is able to reinsert himself among the kids that live the lifestyle, and reinvent himself as the outlaw (not hillbilly) cool (not gauche).

LB may have been DM's problem but he may not have killed her. MS could have done the job and then he would have vicegrip control over DM and his resources. It would have allowed MS to move him and his girlfriend into DM and WM's home.

So then DM has this guy in his home...7 years ago this guy had coke connections and MS's drug alliances and personal power could only have gotten greater over that time. DM could have been scared of the guy, and if MS killed WM, truly controlled by him.

"I can't get into the framing aspect right now."..do note that only DM is charged in the death of WM.

I can't help noting again, both MS and his sisters are exceptionally socially successful people, with the sisters in advertising and MS in sales.

MS has nothing though (and DM has lots).

Hints that DM was acting on his own bad judgement though: he dragged his girlfriend into this. He stole, instead of bought, a truck he wanted (it wasn't for MS).

Anyway, in answer to the question, who is a bad influence on who, there you go. Perhaps DM came to aspire to become a 🤬🤬🤬🤬 (like MS) because drugs were the only thing to date that had brought him in close proximity to the rich kids that live fabulous lives? Perhaps he was equally tantalized to become an insider in part of a criminal network?

MOO
 
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