Tim Miller Fires Back at Mark Klaas after last nights Nancy Grace.

[babycat]

I hope no one here ever loses a child to an abduction, or under mysterious circumstances. It would be hard to get Mark K off of NG to come search, but I have no doubt in my mind, Tim Miller would be there in a heartbeat. I know which one I would feel more comfortable calling, regardless of their personal feelings for each other.

Actually I made a thread a while back about a missing child near my hometown, and immediately received a message from Klaas' organization. they contacted me, and offered to help me search and flyer that very weekend, even though they had to move their schedule around. Luckily, the young lady was found safe and sound.

I'mnot saying Tim doesn't do good work finding missing persons. I'm saying his comment about Mark's daughter, and Mark "living off his dead daughter's name" is disgusting and in my opinion, indefensible. I always liked Tim Miler. Tonight, I see a new side of him. Now I'm not so sure.

 

[Normcar21]

Not if it means screwing up a case and the victim never receives justice. If evidence is tainted, unreliable, etc.

Just my opinion, and not saying that is necssarily the case here.

I respect your view, but my response would be, "How in the world would no search be better than a tainted search"? At least a tainted search offers the potential of discovery. No search offers just that, nothing.

 

[babycat]

If it makes you feel any better, I have seen nothing that would make any evidence gained unreliable, at all. In fact, Tim said they were managing things with LE specifically to make sure it wouldn't.

Why would it make me feel any better or worse? I stated I didn't necessarily think it was the case here. I was just saying in general, a "tainted" search party might do more harm than good.

I have confidence that Tim cleared it with police.

 

[Normcar21]

Actually I made a thread a while back about a missing child near my hometown, and immediately received a message from Klaas' organization. they contacted me, and offered to help me search and flyer that very weekend, even though they had to move their schedule around. Luckily, the young lady was found safe and sound.

I'mnot saying Tim doesn't do good work finding missing persons. I'm saying his comment about Mark's daughter, and Mark "living off his dead daughter's name" is disgusting and in my opinion, indefensible. I always liked Tim Miler. Tonight, I see a new side of him. Now I'm not so sure.

I don't care if the guy is a crack addict (hypothetically, of course), if he offers his time, his dogs, and his money to find lost children, he's okay in my books. All of that "other" stuff is his personal thing. If a drunken moron finds my lost child I will treat him as an angel

 

[Maven2379]

(Bold mine)

Respond tactfully, and not bring Mark Klaas' dead daughter into this.

It's not rocket science. Tim was WAY out of line.


Even at WS we say "attack the post, not the poster" Well, bringing Mark's daughter into this was off limits.

I guess after following the case, and spending time with the family, and then being attacked on national TV, by someone who has sat in a comfy chair dishing the latest BOMBSHELLS with Mizz Nancy .... well all that may have gotten the best of Tim Miller, he is only human after all.

When was Mark Klaas in Satsuma, looking for Haleigh?

:waitasec:
~JMO

 

[babycat]

I respect your view, but my response would be, "How in the world would no search be better than a tainted search"? At least a tainted search offers the potential of discovery. No search offers just that, nothing.

But there HAS been searching. By LE, et cetera. I don't think a "tainted" search party would be the only ones searching. It is my opinion that a "tainted" party could screw up an investigation when push comes to shove, which is why even Texas Equusearch has rules about volunteers taking pictures, leaking info, etc. I think Tim, himself, by his past practices, would turn away a volunteer searcher who planned to taint the investigation

 

[Muffet]

I've always thought that MK was an angry man and too critical, even of some parents of missing kids. Extremely critical, and wrong at times. Those two really should keep their arguments and remarks between themselves, especially off national tv. No one likes to tune in and witness that sort of thing.

Mark has been lodging insults at Tim Miller from NG's show since at least last November, and last night wasn't the first time in this case. I haven't seen Tim respond until now. Looks like he had enough. I can't sit here and blame him.

 

[babycat]

I guess after following the case, and spending time with the family, and then being attacked on national TV, by someone who has sat in a comfy chair dishing the latest BOMBSHELLS with Mizz Nancy .... well all that may have gotten the best of Tim Miller, he is only human after all.

When was Mark Klaas in Satsuma, looking for Haleigh?

:waitasec:
~JMO

Tim doesn't search for every single missing person, why should Mark be held to the same standard? Mark Klaas' organization does good work, as does Tim Miller's organization. But I think Timw as out of line. I don't care how mad Tim gets, saying a person is living off his dead daughters name just because he runs a foundation named after her is despicable.

 

[Normcar21]

But there HAS been searching. By LE, et cetera. I don't think a "tainted" search party would be the only ones searching. It is my opinion that a "tainted" party could screw up an investigation when push comes to shove, which is why even Texas Equusearch has rules about volunteers taking pictures, leaking info, etc. I think Tim, himself, by his past practices, would turn away a volunteer searcher who planned to taint the investigation

I agree with you that an organized search is much better, and rules of searching are important. My suggestion is that "any" search, even a disorganized search, is better than no search at all. Definitely an organized search is best. Ignoring the need for a search is worst. Anything in between is okay, :angel:

 

[Muffet]

Why would it make me feel any better or worse? I stated I didn't necessarily think it was the case here. I was just saying in general, a "tainted" search party might do more harm than good.

I have confidence that Tim cleared it with police.

Me too.

 

[babycat]

I don't care if the guy is a crack addict (hypothetically, of course), if he offers his time, his dogs, and his money to find lost children, he's okay in my books. All of that "other" stuff is his personal thing. If a drunken moron finds my lost child I will treat him as an angel

Right, I can't say I disagree with you. I'm not saying Tim does bad work. I'm saying I thought what he said about Mark's daughter was horrible.

 

[babycat]

Me too.

Tim Miller has a lot of experience. I really do think he would pursue the right avenues. I don't agree with everything Mark said about him the other night, and when I heard it on tv I knew the ...stuff was bout to hit the fan.

But I don't think it was as bad as what Tim said, bringing up his daughter

 

[babycat]

I agree with you that an organized search is much better, and rules of searching are important. My suggestion is that "any" search, even a disorganized search, is better than no search at all. Definitely an organized search is best. Ignoring the need for a search is worst. Anything in between is okay, :angel:

we can definitely agree on that

 

[Normcar21]

Tim doesn't search for every single missing person, why should Mark be held to the same standard? Mark Klaas' organization does good work, as does Tim Miller's organization. But I think Timw as out of line. I don't care how mad Tim gets, saying a person is living off his dead daughters name just because he runs a foundation named after her is despicable.

My suggestion is that we all here may or may not be credible to judge, complain, or rate, those who spend their entire life, 24-7, doing something about lost kids in North America. I do know one thing, I would never even consider "attempting to judge" the good or nasty of those who are presently commiting their lives to this amazing challenge.

If I jump into the fire and get burned I have a right to judge the fire, but if I sit back and watch the fire, and complain about how others are burned when they jump smack into the fire, I am over-stepping my boundaries, IMO

Respectfully suggesting

 

[babycat]

My suggestion is that we all here may or may not be credible to judge, complain, or rate, those who spend their entire life, 24-7, doing something about lost kids in North America. I do know one thing, I would never even consider "attempting to judge" the good or nasty of those who are presently commiting their lives to this amazing challenge.

If I jump into the fire and get burned I have a right to judge the fire, but if I sit back and watch the fire, and complain about how others are burned when they jump smack into the fire, I am over-stepping my boundaries, IMO

Respectfully suggesting

Well I certainly can't agree with that I do form judgments about people based on their actions and how they treat others. (And most of us at WS seem to do that, when weighing in on different "players" in these cases. I'm certainly not alone there) I understand Tim does good work, but I don't think that is any compensation for what he said. It doesn't make it "right", to me.

Someone can do the right thing all day long, but I don't necessarily think it excuses bring up Mark's dead daughter, especially when Tim knows the pain of being a victim.


eta: added "players" in quotation marks..i always hated that analogy used here, but I'm at a loss to come up with another word

 

[fay]

I have officially lost all respect for TM and that is sad. What kind of man throws in anothers mans face his dead daughter. Despicable! Also what is TM saying about the police co-operation, what is the truth to the whole debacle?
Mark Klass is right this ridiculous set up was amatureish, just look at the quality of informants he had voluteer. I hate this whole thing. Tim should stick to ground searches and let the police do their job.
Anyway Misty was just trying to get anyone to believe her and she picked Tim, so big deal with the poly's. Doesn't matter anyway.
The man is no saint, I think I just saw a side I never want to see again.

 

[Maven2379]

]Tim doesn't search for every single missing person, why should Mark be held to the same standard?[/B] Mark Klaas' organization does good work, as does Tim Miller's organization. But I think Timw as out of line. I don't care how mad Tim gets, saying a person is living off his dead daughters name just because he runs a foundation named after her is despicable.

BBM
In my first post I said, I respected both of these men, I agree they both do great work! I will say it again, I respect BOTH for the work they have done!!

Mark Klaas has been saying things about Tim Miller for a while now, and Tim has not responded. IMO it is despicable for Mark Klaas to go on national TV and demean and attack Tim Miller WITHOUT knowing the FACTS!! I don't expect both organizations to search for EVERYONE, but when one has and knows the facts and circumstances surrounding a missing child, and the other has not, the one who HAS NOT should not attack the one who HAS!

 

[Pondering Mind]

(Bold mine)

Respond tactfully, and not bring Mark Klaas' dead daughter into this.

It's not rocket science. Tim was WAY out of line.


Even at WS we say "attack the post, not the poster" Well, bringing Mark's daughter into this was off limits.

I understand what you mean, really. But imo they were both out of line. Tim would not have had a need to respond at all had MK not decided to lamblast him on national television. I would think that he could have let Tim know how he felt in private. That would be the respectable thing to do for 2 men working towards a common goal. Again, what Tim said WAS horrible, but possibly a knee jerk reaction, I can't even imagine how he felt. It's my personal opinion that Tim took what Marc said as a personal affront (which it was, albeit not personal in the same way) They owe each other an apology imo and I hope that will happen, if it hasn't already.. but they owe us nothing.

 

[babycat]

BBM
In my first post I said, I respected both of these men, I agree they both do great work! I will say it again, I respect BOTH for the work they have done!!

Mark Klaas has been saying things about Tim Miller for a while now, and Tim has not responded. IMO it is despicable for Mark Klaas to go on national TV and demean and attack Tim Miller WITHOUT knowing the FACTS!! I don't expect both organizations to search for EVERYONE, but when one has and knows the facts and circumstances surrounding a missing child, and the other has not, the one who HAS NOT should not attack the one who HAS!

"When was Mark Klaas in Satsuma, looking for Haleigh?"

that is the part of your quote I was responding to in regards to what you bolded.

I agree with you that Mark was out of line on Nancy. I cringed when I heard it.

I still don't think that deserves talking about someone's daughter. I think Tim should have showed some compassion and restraint when it came to talking about Mark "living off his daughter's name". I don't think they should be bringing one anothers children into this.

 

[babycat]

I understand what you mean, really. But imo they were both out of line. Tim would not have had a need to respond at all had MK not decided to lamblast him on national television. I would think that he could have let Tim know how he felt in private. That would be the respectable thing to do for 2 men working towards a common goal. Again, what Tim said WAS horrible, but possibly a knee jerk reaction, I can't even imagine how he felt. It's my personal opinion that Tim took what Marc said as a personal affront (which it was, albeit not personal in the same way) They owe each other an apology imo and I hope that will happen, if it hasn't already.. but they owe us nothing.

This is exactly how I feel, but I am still disappointed that Tim went that low.

I was REALLY surprised to hear Mark mouthing off about Tim the other night. I thought that was in bad taste.