Tim Miller funded Misty's trip to Orlando & also reveals shocking info about Ron.

[texasmommy39]

I know the above is only your opinion, but why would Tim M conspire to do anything? The Cummings' family called him to help find Haleigh. He does not need the work or the publicity. Also, where did you get that Tim and Donna had "Bombshell" information to give to LE?

To plan or plot secretly is to conspire. If TM intentions where truly known it would not require a an undercover Momma. It has been stated that both Donna and TM had information in regards to Misty and the case and have talked to police.

 

[debs]

Women his age use drugs too.

I, like Kook Look, would be interested in the answer to her question...

I sure would try to answer the question if it could be put more clearly.

 

[Blaise]

I sure would try to answer the question if it could be put more clearly.

debs, i agree. Reduced to its simplest form, the question seems to be 'why do you believe the way you do?' I think. It's not worded clearly. It could be, 'what are your core beliefs?'. Or 'what are your life's experiences?'.

For the most part, questions like this are generally asked when you believe differently than I do, and I *really* wish you'd stop it and believe like I do.

Blaise

 

[Baxter]

To plan or plot secretly is to conspire. If TM intentions where truly known it would not require a an undercover Momma. It has been stated that both Donna and TM had information in regards to Misty and the case and have talked to police.

What Bombshell? I know what the word conspire means. I said they were working at the family's request to help find Haleigh. Tim did what he could to get information from Misty. This family was willing to try anything. Remember Teresa's call? Tim come get her. The was you say conspire, it sounds like they were conspiring to have Misty kill Ronald or something.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Originally Posted by curvecuti

I, like Kook Look, would be interested in the answer to her question...

debs quote:
I sure would try to answer the question if it could be put more clearly.

debs, i agree. Reduced to its simplest form, the question seems to be 'why do you believe the way you do?' I think. It's not worded clearly. It could be, 'what are your core beliefs?'. Or 'what are your life's experiences?'.

For the most part, questions like this are generally asked when you believe differently than I do, and I *really* wish you'd stop it and believe like I do. Blaise

For people who need it stated more clearly and put in it's simplest form, sure know how to tell me how to word what I meant which equates to an understanding of my post. :waitasec: How could that happen if I didn't speak so clearly to begin with?

To be clearest, don't mind a poster not believing what I do. Matter of fact, I don't get offended. Probably why you don't see me taking members posts and telling them what they should say. If I don't understand their post, I clearly ask them about the parts I'm not understanding or agree with for better clarification. I have found for the most part, their replies gives me that understanding I was looking for.

No breakdown in discussion and communications here has ever been caused by me inquiring about a post. Most members don't mind a little discussion, and isn't anything more than that, discussion and sleuthing. See like minded posts below and CC's above....

PonderingMinds post:
Now that I agree with Kool, but of course you know that I believe Ron and Misty are responsible so therefore are to blame. The one caveat to that is...although I don't blame TN and GGM for HaLeighs disappearance, IF it is found that they had knowledge after the fact and helped cover it up, whether it be by cover up, ommitance or anything else that keeps justice from being brought for this baby girl and/or from being found, then yes I would say they definitely share much blame. That's jmho and my :twocents:.

 

[Pondering Mind]

What Bombshell? I know what the word conspire means. I said they were working at the family's request to help find Haleigh. Tim did what he could to get information from Misty. This family was willing to try anything. Remember Teresa's call? Tim come get her. The was you say conspire, it sounds like they were conspiring to have Misty kill Ronald or something.

Baxter, may I add that I wasn't aware that we had confirmation whether LE did or didn't know what they were doing. Of course chances are if they did know (which I believe is a good possibility) there is no way imo that they would come out and say that, as it was somewhat unconventional. I would imagine that they would have probably told TM that if word got out that they would not be able to back him up. Now of course that is just MO and speculation fwiw.

 

[debs]

For people who need it stated more clearly and put in it's simplest form, sure know how to tell me how to word what I meant which equates to an understanding of my post. :waitasec: How could that happen if I didn't speak so clearly to begin with?

To be clearest, don't mind a poster not believing what I do. Matter of fact, I don't get offended. Probably why you don't see me taking members posts and telling them what they should say. If I don't understand their post, I clearly ask them about the parts I'm not understanding or agree with for better clarification. I have found for the most part, their replies gives me that understanding I was looking for.

*snipped*

I believe that's just what I did.......I asked for clarification regarding your question. It made no sense to me as it was worded. I could not begin to answer it unless the question itself is cleared up.

 

[Blaise]

Bolded by me.

Originally Posted by curvecuti


For people who need it stated more clearly and put in it's simplest form, sure know how to tell me how to word what I meant which equates to an understanding of my post. :waitasec: How could that happen if I didn't speak so clearly to begin with?

Huh?


To be clearest, don't mind a poster not believing what I do.

I didn't say you didn't mind. I just said that, for me, it is unusual to see a poster questioning another's 'mental thought process' if they're all simpatico and the like. Generally, when someone agrees with me, I don't question their mental processes. I simply think they're brilliant.


Matter of fact, I don't get offended. Probably why you don't see me taking members posts and telling them what they should say. If I don't understand their post, I clearly ask them about the parts I'm not understanding or agree with for better clarification. I have found for the most part, their replies gives me that understanding I was looking for.

You're absolutely right. I should have directed my response directly to you. I tend to follow the conversation and not the nicks, and half the time I don't remember which poster said what when and where. I blame hormones.

So . . . what'd you mean by 'mental processes'? Did you mean their life's experiences that brought them here? Their reading of news report? Their reading of non-new reports (Art Harris and Nancy Grace)?

No breakdown in discussion and communications here has ever been caused by me inquiring about a post.

Well. That is really good of you.

Most members don't mind a little discussion, and isn't anything more than that, discussion and sleuthing. See like minded posts below and CC's above....

Heh. I have enough trouble reading feed forward. If I go back, I'll never get to the present. I tend to respond to directly what's on my screen, this day.

Blaise

 

[CuriousTwo]

Malesherbes, you ask some interesting questions. I think I have some answers.
Neither Ron or Tim is right in using deception. Especially Tim. If he witnessed Ron in the gun incident and heard threats toward Misty, or was concerned that Jr saw what happened, he should have taken that information to the cops immediately. I think Tim overstepped his goals of finding missing children when he played detective or LE.
In no way do I hate Miller. I just think he loses focus when he takes it upon himself by not involving LE. Especially when I've heard from posters here that Tim Miller works closely with LE. I question why he didn't with this incident.
Love your pumpkin!

Ditto for me. In no way do I dislike Tim Miller. His organization and his heart are in the right place. I just feel that he may have gotten too personally involved and lost perspective by funding a trip for Misty. As with anyone who wants to help in these type of cases .... if they get too close, it's too easy for them to get caught up in the drama of it all.

I will continue to make donations and support TE. Just my personal opinion.

 

[atherella]

Hi Emeralgem...I was just wondering what you thought about the comment that Mark Nejme made while Mike Brooks was filling in for NG not too long ago? In case you missed it it was this night here :http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/16/ng.01.html

snip~
MARK NEJAME, ATTORNEY FOR TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: Quite the opposite. Tim just found his 102nd victim yesterday. This man`s life is dedicated to finding the lost and the deceased when nobody else would do it. He didn`t care. He was doing something unorthodox.

Without question, he was looking to find this child. As far as the publicity seeking, nobody knew he was doing it. Where is the publicity? He did it for one reason and one reason only. Because he wanted to help find this child. So anybody that claims otherwise, they really don`t know what they`re talking about.

BROOKS: Now has Tim talked to you about Ronald and possibly, you know, him having the gun?

NEJAME: Sure. In fact, we were with Ronald and we spent time. And the one thing I can tell you, I genuinely believe that Ronald absolutely does not know what happened to his child and is dedicated to finding the child.

BROOKS: Yes, I do, too.

NEJAME: His manners and the way he acts, a lot of people may not accept it. But I believe he`s totally committed. And the issue as it relates to Misty, if I could refer to what was just being discussed.

BROOKS: Sure.

NEJAME: Ron believes, in my opinion from the time that I`d spent, that Misty might have known something about it. And if she ended up going elsewhere with other family and she was gone, he believes he would have lost that single opportunity or the best opportunity to best find out what happened to his child.

So all the psychological gibber jives that I`ve just heard, respectfully, it`s not that complicated. He knew that his best chance of finding his child was keeping her close by. Because he`s got questions like everybody else does about her continued discrepancies. ~ end snip

I know your opinion is that Tim Miller might suspect Ronald of wrong doing, and I just wondered what your take on Mark NeJame's comments were? TIA

Thanks for posting the excerpts from Attorney NeJame. As I was reading the thread, I was going to ask exactly the same thing of Emeralgem, but you beat me to it.

NeJame is Tim Miller's advocate. Both NeJame and Tim Miller had many meetings and heart to hearts with Ron. Attorney NeJame made it clear on national television that he does NOT feel that Ron is in any way responsible, nor does he know what happened to HaLeigh. If he thought differently, he simply would not have brought up the topic. It was NeJame who chose to make those comments.

So, are to we understand that Attorney NeJame was speaking as Tim Miller's advocate and attorney when he said that, or was he speaking of his own feelings?

IMO, when Tim Miller made those rather unfortunate comments about HaLeigh being deceased, he was NOT pointing the finger at anyone, rather stating that he feels HaLeigh is no longer alive based upon his experiences. In the event that Mr. Miller has evidence of someone's guilt, he should pass it along to LE.

 

[Whisperer]

We may yet find that Tim Miller has set into motion a series of actions which eventually lead to Haleigh. IMO, his public revelation about Misty contributed to the eventual divorce. Misty associated with the two young women, got into the -related robbery and may be headed to a reconcilliation with her family. [SIZE "3"]When Misty was married to Ron, she was in a protected environment. But now she is making her own decisions, and the world and LE will see her true colors.[/SIZE]

Ron put himself in a cozy cocoon and remains in a protected environment. I would like to see how he would do it "on his own". What would we see and what kind of decisions would he be making? Judging from prior limited independence....NOT SO GOOD. Wonder what colors we would see if RC ever got to be on his own. We will not get to see his colors because he remains well-protected by his GMA Sykes and his mother TN. He is clever in that respect; always has been; Seems to be GMA or TN were always living with him when DCF comes a-calling.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I suspect TM knows that Ron C is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance and that he most probably disposed of her in a place so she would never be found... I also believe he knows that Misty TN and the Cummings Clan are ALL covering for him... Personally, I believe he is fed up wtih all the BS out of all of them...JMO

I believe that you are way off base. Tim Miller still believes that the truth lies with Misty and what she knows but won't tell. In fact, as of today Tim Miller has left because Misty isn't talking and Tim has come to the conclusion that Haleigh is dead.

I will never understand why some people on here insist that Ron is the killer. He has been cleared by LE....the guy was at work all night until 3 in the morning when LE was called. Wishful thinking on some parts I guess. Why some want him to be guilty I will never know. That man loves his baby girl and if you have ever lost a child because of a murder you will recognize real grief in the eyes of another who has also lost a child. Ron is a grieving dad. I have looked into his eyes and seen that grief. Believe what you want but this man did not murder his little girl. Talk about being fed up with all of the b.s!

 

[static]

Every parent makes bad choices at some time in their child's life. No one is perfect. RC is no more responsible for Haleigh's abduction as Mark L. was for his child's abduction, or Somer T.'s mother was for her abduction. People make bad decisions, Thank Goodness for most of us our child is not abducted and we are not put under a microscope with those poor choices.

I agree with you that every parent makes some bad choices at one time or another. I think there are differences between making bad choices and living a lifestyle that is dangerous to your children. If one has drugs,shotguns and criminals in their home around their kids, then they SHOULD be under a microscope, small children have no say about the environment they live in.

 

[mysteriew]

I believe that you are way off base. Tim Miller still believes that the truth lies with Misty and what she knows but won't tell. In fact, as of today Tim Miller has left because Misty isn't talking and Tim has come to the conclusion that Haleigh is dead.

I will never understand why some people on here insist that Ron is the killer. He has been cleared by LE....the guy was at work all night until 3 in the morning when LE was called. Wishful thinking on some parts I guess. Why some want him to be guilty I will never know. That man loves his baby girl and if you have ever lost a child because of a murder you will recognize real grief in the eyes of another who has also lost a child. Ron is a grieving dad. I have looked into his eyes and seen that grief. Believe what you want but this man did not murder his little girl. Talk about being fed up with all of the b.s!

Boy am I glad you asked that. I am not saying that Ron killed Hayleigh. But I am suspicious of him. IIRC it was verified that Hayleigh was with Ron and Misty before he went to work and that at some point she was seen by Ron's mother. Right? IOW I question whether she was alive when Ron went to work.

I don't have anything to base it on except a couple of interviews that were done with Ron, he wouldn't look at the camera, he seemed a little reluctant to talk once he got on camera. His whole affect on camera just seemed off. But that could have been just exhaustion or shock I told myself. But then the whole "marriage" struck me as odd. Misty failed a lie detector test, and he marrys her? The last person allegedly seen with his missing child? He says it was what Hayleigh wanted, but he didn't want to wait until she was there to be in the wedding? This whole marriage thing just bugs me. It doesn't help that they may have thought that a spouse couldn't testify against a spouse. (But of course they can, if they wish to. And they weren't married at the time that Hayleigh disappeared, so spousal privelege doesn't exist.)

My theory is that something bad happened before Ron went to work. They disposed of her body. Ron goes to work, his mom comes over to 'verify' that Hayleigh was alive after he went to work. The story was put to Misty to tell LE when they called and reported Hayleigh missing. But Misty couldn't keep the story straight. And Misty failed the lie detector. Because she did lie, she knew what happened. So LE doesn't believe the story they were given, but Ron is in the clear, because his mom says she saw Hayleigh. Misty is starting to feel like she is being set up for the fall. And she can't say anything without getting into trouble herself. Because she lied to LE, she may have helped get rid of her body. And she has been determined to be a suspect. She is probably afraid that Ron will put the blame for Hayleigh's death on her.

I could be wrong. But I just can't see a man marrying the person who was suspected of harming his daughter, while the daughter is still being searched for.

I can easily believe that he loved Hayleigh. But people have been known to kill the people they love. And he may be/probably is grieving. People often do grieve their loved ones, even if they were involved in their deaths. IF he did it, I believe it was probably one of those anger flashes where he lashed out. It wouldn't have been planned or intended.

 

[texasmommy39]

What Bombshell? I know what the word conspire means. I said they were working at the family's request to help find Haleigh. Tim did what he could to get information from Misty. This family was willing to try anything. Remember Teresa's call? Tim come get her. The was you say conspire, it sounds like they were conspiring to have Misty kill Ronald or something.

Baxter, I guess I have a different understanding of what help truly encompasses when you befriend a family under these circumstances and a motive to secretly plot to gain something from the befriending. IMO TM's obvious involvement originally was to find a possible deceased HaLeigh. TES was there the 3rd day and searched high and low for HaLeigh. When TM and NJ released that press release stating they would be returning to search for HaLeigh when the undergrowth had died back (4-6 weeks from the release) seems to also indicates they would be looking for a dead child at that time also and now in light of his statements that he is done looking for HaLeigh because she is dead and will remain so as she has for days, weeks and previous months and done dealing with the feuding families, is beyond excusable and indicates his recent motives where truly not about finding HaLeigh, but, injecting himself into a missing child's investigation beyond his groups search efforts and become personally involved to conduct his own unethical investigation. What I am trying to understand is why he would refuse to continue to search for HaLeigh even if she is deceased. His previous search efforts and planned searches where for a deceased HaLeigh. The donations that where given in support of those planned searches are to go to other children that may also be found dead (I do not need to mention the children found within the last week)also? The concert this last weekend was reported to be raising $ for TES to search for HaLeigh; is that not going to be used now? Where will the money be directed? I am not accusing anyone of foul play with these donations, but, would expect a accountability of those proceeds and donations now, that where given in this child's name in the hopes of HaLeigh being found and returned to her families. Who is going to use that money to search for Haleigh? When are those that can find HaLeigh going to start looking? If it is about Money that is needed to search ... what the heck has every donated dollar been spent for? HaLeigh has not been found!!!!!!!

 

[believe09]

Anyone interested in starting a new thread regarding this stuff??? I am so confused...I think it is legit to carve out the conversation about Tim, his stepping back and their opinion of Ron. But I am not a regular here so you all decide....

 

[debs]

Tim Miller isn't a miracle worker. Even he has his limits. I believe respect for his efforts thus far and a fare-thee-well should suffice. He owes no one his services, and given how many other missing children are out there, he will have plenty of other cases to utilize his talents.

I wish him well.

 

[texasmommy39]

Anyone interested in starting a new thread regarding this stuff??? I am so confused...I think it is legit to carve out the conversation about Tim, his stepping back and their opinion of Ron. But I am not a regular here so you all decide....

LOL I can barely keep up with what can be posted where and when. IMO TM's motive came to light under this thread and all TM discussions in regards to this revelation could possible be discussed here.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Baxter, I guess I have a different understanding of what help truly encompasses when you befriend a family under these circumstances and a motive to secretly plot to gain something from the befriending. IMO TM's obvious involvement originally was to find a possible deceased HaLeigh. TES was there the 3rd day and searched high and low for HaLeigh. When TM and NJ released that press release stating they would be returning to search for HaLeigh when the undergrowth had died back (4-6 weeks from the release) seems to also indicates they would be looking for a dead child at that time also and now in light of his statements that he is done looking for HaLeigh because she is dead and will remain so as she has for days, weeks and previous months and done dealing with the feuding families, is beyond excusable and indicates his recent motives where truly not about finding HaLeigh, but, injecting himself into a missing child's investigation beyond his groups search efforts and become personally involved to conduct his own unethical investigation. What I am trying to understand is why he would refuse to continue to search for HaLeigh even if she is deceased. His previous search efforts and planned searches where for a deceased HaLeigh. The donations that where given in support of those planned searches are to go to other children that may also be found dead (I do not need to mention the children found within the last week)also? The concert this last weekend was reported to be raising $ for TES to search for HaLeigh; is that not going to be used now? Where will the money be directed? I am not accusing anyone of foul play with these donations, but, would expect a accountability of those proceeds and donations now, that where given in this child's name in the hopes of HaLeigh being found and returned to her families. Who is going to use that money to search for Haleigh? When are those that can find HaLeigh going to start looking? If it is about Money that is needed to search ... what the heck has every donated dollar been spent for? HaLeigh has not been found!!!!!!!

I read the concert proceeds were going to Crystal and Marie's foundation: http://haleighbenefitconcert.eventbrite.com/

 

[texasmommy39]

I read the concert proceeds were going to Crystal and Marie's foundation: http://haleighbenefitconcert.eventbrite.com/

Wow..... that would be a substantial amount of money if all the tickets where sold!
Does anyone know how well the turn out was? I heard that Crystal said it did not do very well.