Tim Miller Speaks Out

[DenVIP]

can I ask what this has to do with TM speaking out? Geez people give it a break.... from all I have listen to and read his comment have to do with RC MC TN and not CS? So why do you keep bashing her?

 

[Jade]

Ok, arrived at the mobile home park. I can see not knowing that.

I didn’t realize that non-custodial parents couldn’t participate in their child’s school life.

Thank you for the replies.

My heart breaks for Crystal. How difficult it must be to carry on for the other children.

 

[Donjeta]

Listened to tape of Tim Miller talking about what Ron told him concerning the bed and the dirty clothes, and initially thought I heard Tim say "drawer" instead of "drier". Listened again and believe it's definitely "drier", but the way Tim says "drier" sounds an awfully lot like "drawer" to me. I'm wondering if Ron actually said that the clothes in the drawer were dirty, and then Tim thought Ron said "drier".

There was a lot of discussion on another thread about dirty clothes being in the drier. Does anyone else think Tim may possibly have misunderstood Ron? BTW, I LOVE Tim Miller!


This post is my opinion only. Do not confuse with fact.

I can't listen to it now, you may be right about what it sounds like, but IMO if he says drawer it doesn't make sense. The apparent purpose of the remark was to contradict Misty's story about using the washing machine and the dryer, and Misty never said anything about any drawers, I don't think.

 

[Jade]

can I ask what this has to do with TM speaking out? Geez people give it a break.... from all I have listen to and read his comment have to do with RC MC TN and not CS? So why do you keep bashing her?

This couldn’t be directed at me because I have never, never bashed Crystal and never ever would but I am off topic, I see, terribly sorry for that.

With all the alerts and thread shifting it gets confusing. Obviously I am not real computer literate.

I will leave.

 

[Gma Kat]

Crystal didn't know what time Haleigh's school bus arrived at Ron's mh park. Actually, I doubt the school would give bus arrival information over the phone to a non-custodial parent, or anyone else. I sure hope they wouldn't. I wouldn't want the school telling strangers over the phone what time my child would be arriving at the bus stop. What if the person calling had no rights to the child and planned on intercepting the child on their way home from the bus stop ? I would hope school personnel would refer the caller to the child's custodial parent.

I actually felt bad for bio mom last night. I agree she should have at least been more aware of Haleigh's day-to-day schedule, simply because of a mother's curiousity; hoewever, I don't think she deserves the treatment NG gave her last night. For whatever reason, Crystal didn't have Haleigh's schedule. My stepkids' mother didn't know theirs either because she wasn't part of their day-to-day life. Demonizing Crystal for this one issue was in really poor taste. For goodness sakes she is Haleigh's mom afterall and seems sincere in her grief. I agree she could have been a more involved mother, but she wasn't. I think NG was just playing to the public for chastizing her for being uninvolved in her daughter's life. I'm afraid I'm O/T, sorry for the rant mods!

 

[Muffet]

I respect your position and say yes we could posssible agree on other things :blowkiss:. I feel that teamwork is our common need here even though we are all of different opinions. I truely believe LE and the other agencies involved are going to solve this case and TM is a willing tool that will be used to get what LE wants. As far as all the side drama going on the more we hear the more pieces will fall into place and soon the puzzle will be solved. The fact that Ron is innocent and he stands behind his wife is something that doesn't make sence if the Cummings family believes she is guilty. Something is just not right with all this new drama and the way it all has been handled and reported and LE reactions. I feel the web has been spun and the spider is waiting for the fly to ..................

Well, at least we can agree with the bolded part! :highfive:

 

[elle1919]

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The last word I can remember hearing from LE is from PCSO's spokesperson, Lt. Johnny Greenwood. He wrote that Crystal and Ron were not suspects.

Has LE actually said they've been cleared? Because LE's saying someone is "not a suspect" is a very far cry from saying they've been cleared.


This post is my opinion only. Do not confuse with fact.

Sorry Zephyr....you are correct, I am not certain if LE said "cleared". They did say not suspects.

 

[Muffet]

This couldn’t be directed at me because I have never, never bashed Crystal and never ever would but I am off topic, I see, terribly sorry for that.

With all the alerts and thread shifting it gets confusing. Obviously I am not real computer literate.

LOL It does get confusing, doesn't it! It's all good, though... things will wander in the natural flow of conversation.

 

[elle1919]

can I ask what this has to do with TM speaking out? Geez people give it a break.... from all I have listen to and read his comment have to do with RC MC TN and not CS? So why do you keep bashing her?

I agree DenVIP, I was responding to a post and realized that it was completely off topic. I hope you do not think I was bashing her though.

 

[Muffet]

Sorry Zephyr....you are correct, I am not certain if LE said "cleared". They did say not suspects.

Yup - I've studied all the comments and press release to find it, and "not considered suspects" is all they have ever said. LE has never said the words "cleared" or "not cleared," about anyone except the AC man.


(I couldn't even swear they said the AC man was "cleared," but I seem to recall it.)

 

[Indiana at Heart]

The school personnel are lairs?

Wasn’t it about not knowing time and grade? Crystal would not be denied that information by the school!

IMO it would be farfetched to think the school was somehow in cahoots.

Sorry I lived in FL and No they can not tell Crystal anything unless her name is on the list!

 

[Searchfortruth]

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The last word I can remember hearing from LE is from PCSO's spokesperson, Lt. Johnny Greenwood. He wrote that Crystal and Ron were not suspects.

Has LE actually said they've been cleared? Because LE's saying someone is "not a suspect" is a very far cry from saying they've been cleared.


This post is my opinion only. Do not confuse with fact.

I don't believe LE has said they have been cleared. They have not said they are suspects either, but that's not usually done until an arrest is very near or complete. Otherwise they have to defend against defense claims of a rush to judgement. I have a feeling the words "suspects" and "arrest" will come very close together in this case.

 

[kamky]

This couldn’t be directed at me because I have never, never bashed Crystal and never ever would but I am off topic, I see, terribly sorry for that.

With all the alerts and thread shifting it gets confusing. Obviously I am not real computer literate.

I will leave.

Jade, please don't leave! You are entitled to your opinion and to express your thoughts. We do sometimes get OT, but we try to keep to the thread topic. You can copy your comment, find an appropriate thread, and then post it there.
By the way, my hubby and I lived 1500 mi away from my stepkids and they spent the summers with us. Anytime we wanted to know anything about the details of their lives away from us, we simply asked them by phone. They would tell us anything we wanted to know. Our 5 year old knew things like what time she went to school and when she came home. Thirty years later, we are still all very close. But, then again, we were very interested in their daily lives and we asked!
Back on topic, it's a shame that there appears to be a split between TM and TN because, from her phone message, there was originally trust there. I wonder if TM really doesn't understand the stance that Ron, TN, & GGMA have taken or if he does but doesn't care to say so. I also would love to know what Mr Najame is thinking about all this. He has been notably quiet. He may be involved with other cases, or he may have stepped back and let TM handle this part, or possibly he is still in contact with TN but out of the spotlight.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Ok, arrived at the mobile home park. I can see not knowing that.

I didn’t realize that non-custodial parents couldn’t participate in their child’s school life.

Thank you for the replies.

My heart breaks for Crystal. How difficult it must be to carry on for the other children.

I don't know who told you that, but they have joint custody in spite of him being the "custodial" parent. She is legally able to get information about her child from the school regardless of any "list". She may not be able to pick her up directly from school, however. The information is a different story tho.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

can I ask what this has to do with TM speaking out? Geez people give it a break.... from all I have listen to and read his comment have to do with RC MC TN and not CS? So why do you keep bashing her?

Of course, this was again directed at me most likely. I spoke up in reference to someone saying how Crystal and Marie never lie. We know this is not true and if the statement is made...I have every right to oppose it. I did not bring it up.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Hoping this is the right thread....

Part ONE 9/4/09 Tim Miller talking to TJ Hart about Misty's poly. Independent verification, phone fight between Misty & Ron according to records, verify Ron's work hours
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/th_001-20.jpg

Part TWO 9/4/09 Tim Miller talks about Ron's work hours, stop at convenience store, Ron's changing story, Teresa's call, Granny's remarks about taking Misty for a ride, etc
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/th_002-12.jpg

 

[cuppy199]

Just IMO. If Ronald is concerned for his child, then he must be concerned with the reports that Misty keeps flunking her LDTs because it may very probably have very dramatic bearing on what happened to his child. If he doesn't believe she did anything wrong because he loves her and supports her till the end, then he should be concerned anyway, because flunking the LDTs doesn't make people think kinder thoughts of the woman he loves and supports till the end and he would be naturally concerned for her psychological welfare right now and the potential for legal ramifications for her further down the road. Also he would be concerned that her being thought a liar focuses the investigation to her and not elsewhere where he thinks the real perps are.

People are different but most are not that different. If he's that different then I worry about his mental state.

Has nothing to do with supporting and loving someone till the end. You can love and support someone without supporting what they did. It took alot more to prove to me that my love one was involved and I had nothing what so ever to do with what he did. I believed him until they showed me evidence showing other wise. Is that unnatural no its called being human and that love can sometimes be blind. You want to believe the person you love could never hurt a child.Nothing unnatural about it and it sure doesnt mean your guilty of anything but being human.

 

[atherella]

I don't know who told you that, but they have joint custody in spite of him being the "custodial" parent. She is legally able to get information about her child from the school regardless of any "list". She may not be able to pick her up directly from school, however. The information is a different story tho.

I hope this will help those people who don't understand "Shared Parental Responsibility" (which is what Crystal and Ron share with regard to HaLeigh and Junior). Crystal has just as much right to HaLeigh's school records as Ron does. Even if Ron tried to keep that information from her. All Crystal would have needed to do is present the Court Order to the school. (Crystal was represented by an attorney immediately after the initial custody decision was made, I suspect he explained her rights to her).

BBM

SHARED PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY

The concept of shared parental responsibility provides a framework for effective co-parenting. It is the public policy of the State of Florida to encourage parents to share the rights and responsibilities of child rearing. Shared parental responsibility is a court ordered relationship in which both parents retain full parental rights and responsibilities and in which both parents confer with each other, so that major decisions affecting the welfare of the children will be determined jointly. The concept of shared parental responsibility is intended to protect the children's right to an ongoing relationship with both parents.


PARENTS' DUTIES

Each parent is responsible for making day-to-day decisions regarding the children's care, maintenance and welfare while the children are in his or her care. The parents consult with one another on questions related to religious upbringing, discipline, financial matters, moral training, social and recreational activities, and non-emergency medical and dental care. Each parent takes an active role in providing a sound moral, social, economic and educational environment for the children and in amicably resolving any disputes that arise.

The parents should at all times conduct themselves and their activities in a way that will promote the welfare and best interests of the children.

Each parent must notify the other parent promptly of any serious illness or accident affecting the children.

Each parent has access to records and information pertaining to the minor children, including but not limited to medical, dental, and school records.

Both parents are entitled to authorize emergency medical treatment for the children.

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http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBCo...ocument&Click=#SHARED PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY

 

[TxLady2]

I hope this will help those people who don't understand "Shared Parental Responsibility" (which is what Crystal and Ron share with regard to HaLeigh and Junior). Crystal has just as much right to HaLeigh's school records as Ron does. Even if Ron tried to keep that information from her. All Crystal would have needed to do is present the Court Order to the school. (Crystal was represented by an attorney immediately after the initial custody decision was made, I suspect he explained her rights to her).

BBM


http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBCo...ocument&Click=#SHARED PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY

Somebody forgot to tell Ronald that, then, because he did not share any information with Crystal, didn't let her know where they lived, (the last MH they lived in) and she was not allowed to even talk to them between visitation. Crystal apparently did not know she could get this information from the school by presenting these papers. I guess the judge never explained it.
I was glad to see that these matters were made clear this last time, and Crystal was given more privileges than she had before.

 

[atherella]

Somebody forgot to tell Ronald that, then, because he did not share any information with Crystal, didn't let her know where they lived, (the last MH they lived in) and she was not allowed to even talk to them between visitation. Crystal apparently did not know she could get this information from the school by presenting these papers. I guess the judge never explained it.
I was glad to see that these matters were made clear this last time, and Crystal was given more privileges than she had before.

Crystal had an attorney. It was her attorney's job to explain the Court Order to her.

A court order comes in the mail. The judge is not there to explain a ruling to each and every person that receives one. That is up to the people's attorneys. Or, Crystal could have gone online, much like I just did in a matter of minutes. If Crystal felt like her rights as HaLeigh and Junior's mother was not being respected, she could have taken Ron to court on a Motion for Contempt. She HAD an attorney. Check the docket. If Crystal did not assert her rights as HaLeigh's mother, it is no one's fault but her own. (And I honestly do not mean that to sound harsh - it just is what it is).

I'm sure that now Crystal knows her rights, that she will be more involved in Junior's schooling. It can only benefit any child to have BOTH parents involved his or her life.


ETA:

We've strayed a bit (a lot) off topic.

To get back on topic... (And this may have already been posted, but I'm trying to get on topic... lol)

Raw Audio: TES Tim Miller and TJ Hart discuss 3rd party verification of Mitsy's polygraph and Ron's work hours.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5153285.php