Tim Miller Speaks Out

[Baznme]

Crystal had an attorney. It was her attorney's job to explain the Court Order to her.

A court order comes in the mail. The judge is not there to explain a ruling to each and every person that receives one. That is up to the people's attorneys. Or, Crystal could have gone online, much like I just did in a matter of minutes. If Crystal felt like her rights as HaLeigh and Junior's mother was not being respected, she could have taken Ron to court on a Motion for Contempt. She HAD an attorney. Check the docket. If Crystal did not assert her rights as HaLeigh's mother, it is no one's fault but her own. (And I honestly do not mean that to sound harsh - it just is what it is).

I'm sure that now Crystal knows her rights, that she will be more involved in Junior's schooling. It can only benefit any child to have BOTH parents involved his or her life.


ETA:

We've strayed a bit (a lot) off topic.

To get back on topic... (And this may have already been posted, but I'm trying to get on topic... lol)

Raw Audio: TES Tim Miller and TJ Hart discuss 3rd party verification of Mitsy's polygraph and Ron's work hours.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5153285.php

I listened to the video's and one thing stood out to me more than other comments that I did notice but didn't put as much stock into. There is a statement that he says when Ron came home after his shift that night that MC did not seem panicked. He said RC became panicked but that MC was not. Did anyone else notice that?

 

[Muffet]

Somebody forgot to tell Ronald that, then, because he did not share any information with Crystal, didn't let her know where they lived, (the last MH they lived in) and she was not allowed to even talk to them between visitation. Crystal apparently did not know she could get this information from the school by presenting these papers. I guess the judge never explained it.
I was glad to see that these matters were made clear this last time, and Crystal was given more privileges than she had before.

I still want to know why the hell it's so bad for her not to know. I don't know, either - I know what I need to know. If I ever do need to know what time school actually gets out, I'll google it, FGS. :crazy:

Some of the worst - most neurotic, overbearing, neglectful - mothers I know put emphasis on this secretarial carp. I live with and for my kids, and it's stunning, if not hilarious to think some of you would actually count not knowing school times against me. lmao

eta: I see we're getting back on topic now, sorry.

 

[RoseRed]

Exactly what I asked in my post above. Misty recalls that after Haleigh went to school, RC and her and RJ slept till 12 noon.....she had to have smelled the pee then right? or maybe she smelled it when she was rousing RJ from his nap before bedtime.

It is possible Jr did it when he was sleeping on Monday. MC has never said Haleigh did it only that it smelled.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Actually, she does blame the pee on Haleigh. However, I have always contended it could have been Rj.

 

[RoseRed]

Another example: Did Ron lie on TV when he stated on NG the other night that he wasn't concerned that Misty had flunked her polygraphs, and that he supports her completely until he gets delivered some proof that she lies about anything?

RC also said he was told by a Polygraphy that there are no percentage answers.. So the 99% and so forth fail can not be accurate. You either pass or fail. That was what he based his answer on.

 

[Kat]

I went back and watched that exchange. NG asked him about the percentage of fail on the polygraph. RC answered about the polygraph.

It was my impression that it was the LVA that had the percentages of deception. NG didn't ask about the LVA. She asked about the LDT (polygraph). I thought that RC was just answering her question based on the fact she was asking him about a polygraph.

I could be way off base though.

 

[Donjeta]

Has nothing to do with supporting and loving someone till the end. You can love and support someone without supporting what they did. It took alot more to prove to me that my love one was involved and I had nothing what so ever to do with what he did. I believed him until they showed me evidence showing other wise. Is that unnatural no its called being human and that love can sometimes be blind. You want to believe the person you love could never hurt a child.Nothing unnatural about it and it sure doesnt mean your guilty of anything but being human.

I'm sorry that bad things have happened in your family. I don't know what it was but still, I'll bet the farm that you were worried when people first started saying that your loved one had something to do with it and would have been lying if you'd said the news that your loved one failed his polygraph was of no concern to you. It is natural to support your loved ones and also to be in denial when something shocking happens. It is unnatural to be unconcerned that they flunk their LDTs. Even if you believe that they didn't do it, failing a polygraph is bad news for lots of reasons.

 

[Donjeta]

It is possible Jr did it when he was sleeping on Monday. MC has never said Haleigh did it only that it smelled.

Well, if he did LE should know because there would still be clothes of his that smelled of pee, unless he sleeps without clothes. Misty never said a word about washing Jr's clothes, and Granny wouldn't have had them with her if it happened on Monday.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5153285.php

Just finished listening to this. The things that stood out to me:
-From what Tim says it sounds like Misty was indeed pressured to take the test but by her husband's family, not by Tim.
-I think Tim feels he's being used in some gameplaying, what with the 180s and the family antics taking the focus off the search for Haleigh (how ironic)
-Got the president of the polygrapher's association to confirm the results and the acceptability of the methods. That's good because Misty's atty said they were going to try to round up someone to say the opposite.
-Tim's verification of Ron's working hours seems to consist of things that Ron told him.
-Wasn't it kind of Ron to buy cigarettes for Misty at 3 am after a huge fight earlier in the evening?

 

[RoseRed]

It is unnatural to be unconcerned that they flunk their LDTs. Even if you believe that they didn't do it, failing a polygraph is bad news for lots of reasons.

Maybe his attorney explained that LDT and voice stress tests are NOT that accurate.

Excerpt from court testimony by CVSA founder:
"NITV acknowledges that the CVSA is not capable of lie detection and specifically cautions its users regarding proper use of the device."
Excerpt from the report of the University of Florida on
"Voice Stress Analyzer Instrumentation Evaluation"
February 26, 2006
The findings generated by this study led to the conclusion that neither the CVSA nor the LVA showed any sensitivity to the presence of deception or stress.

Excerpt from the summary report of the University of Oklahoma on the Validity of Voice Stress Analysis
March 31, 2007
"The important finding is that the VSA programs do not appear to provide any probability of detecting deception than chance. These findings add to the growing literature on tests of voice stress analysis theory and devices.
http://www.voicestress.org/

 

[RoseRed]

Well, if he did LE should know because there would still be clothes of his that smelled of pee, unless he sleeps without clothes. Misty never said a word about washing Jr's clothes, and Granny wouldn't have had them with her if it happened on Monday.

That is just another thing we do not know and was only speculation.

 

[Donjeta]

Maybe his attorney explained that LDT and voice stress tests are NOT that accurate.

Excerpt from court testimony by CVSA founder:
"NITV acknowledges that the CVSA is not capable of lie detection and specifically cautions its users regarding proper use of the device."
Excerpt from the report of the University of Florida on
"Voice Stress Analyzer Instrumentation Evaluation"
February 26, 2006
The findings generated by this study led to the conclusion that neither the CVSA nor the LVA showed any sensitivity to the presence of deception or stress.

Excerpt from the summary report of the University of Oklahoma on the Validity of Voice Stress Analysis
March 31, 2007
"The important finding is that the VSA programs do not appear to provide any probability of detecting deception than chance. These findings add to the growing literature on tests of voice stress analysis theory and devices.
http://www.voicestress.org/

Accurate or not, I would be very concerned if LE said they suspect me or anyone I care about of lying, including failing any of these tests, and even more so if it became public knowledge. I don't want any of my loved ones to become famous as a liar, even if or especially if they aren't.

 

[chesterp]

I'm sorry that bad things have happened in your family. I don't know what it was but still, I'll bet the farm that you were worried when people first started saying that your loved one had something to do with it and would have been lying if you'd said the news that your loved one failed his polygraph was of no concern to you. It is natural to support your loved ones and also to be in denial when something shocking happens. It is unnatural to be unconcerned that they flunk their LDTs. Even if you believe that they didn't do it, failing a polygraph is bad news for lots of reasons.

We do not know what is in their heart's...everything is being judged on what they perceive is in their heart's...

Everyone is looking for the TRUTH............

 

[RoseRed]

Accurate or not, I would be very concerned if LE said they suspect me or anyone I care about of lying, including failing any of these tests, and even more so if it became public knowledge. I don't want any of my loved ones to become famous as a liar, even if or especially if they aren't.

But the tests are not accurate so I still would not necessarily believe they were lying. They are not admissible in court.

I think even either Elizabeth Smart or Polly Klass one of those cases the Grandmother failed the LDT but was not involved in their abduction. Perhaps someone else can remember which case it was that the Grand Mother failed the poly.

 

[captdj]

I hope this will help those people who don't understand "Shared Parental Responsibility" (which is what Crystal and Ron share with regard to HaLeigh and Junior). Crystal has just as much right to HaLeigh's school records as Ron does. Even if Ron tried to keep that information from her. All Crystal would have needed to do is present the Court Order to the school. (Crystal was represented by an attorney immediately after the initial custody decision was made, I suspect he explained her rights to her).

BBM


http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBCo...ocument&Click=#SHARED PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY

O/T but is seems to me Crystal is more a visitor in her children lives and Ron has control.... seeing both personalities (Ron and Crystals) explains this to me

 

[Donjeta]

We do not know what is in their heart's...everything is being judged on what they perceive is in their heart's...

Everyone is looking for the TRUTH............

No, we don't know what's in their hearts. We do know some things that they said, however, and there seems to be some strangeness that points to somebody lying about something. It's not likely to be all true at the same time.

 

[Donjeta]

But the tests are not accurate so I still would not necessarily believe they were lying. They are not admissible in court.

I think even either Elizabeth Smart or Polly Klass one of those cases the Grandmother failed the LDT but was not involved in their abduction. Perhaps someone else can remember which case it was that the Grand Mother failed the poly.

Did her relatives say that it didn't matter? That they weren't at all concerned that she might possibly be lying about something or that people might unfairly suspect her of dishonesty?

 

[captdj]

I listened to the video's and one thing stood out to me more than other comments that I did notice but didn't put as much stock into. There is a statement that he says when Ron came home after his shift that night that MC did not seem panicked. He said RC became panicked but that MC was not. Did anyone else notice that?

Yes, Also during the LDT when Misty said she freaked out when she found the back door open... the tester then requestions her about this statement as if the monitor show signs of some uncertainity or deception.(unless he had knowledge of what Ron said beforehand)

 

[nomoresorrow]

But the tests are not accurate so I still would not necessarily believe they were lying. They are not admissible in court.

I think even either Elizabeth Smart or Polly Klass one of those cases the Grandmother failed the LDT but was not involved in their abduction. Perhaps someone else can remember which case it was that the Grand Mother failed the poly.

Actually you have that info wrong RoseRed, it was the grandmother in the Jessica Lunsford case. Following is an excerpt from the Nancy Grace show that aired on March 15, 2005, in which she is talking to Marc Klass regarding that issue and missing children/polygraphs of family members subject in general . . .

Grace: But Marc Klaas, when your little girl, Polly, went missing, you begged, "Please, polygraph me. Search my house, search my car, do anything. Just move on with the investigation." You took a polygraph and passed with flying colors.

KLAAS: Well, you know, I did, and other members of my family did, as well. And they really have no choice but to try to eliminate the people that were closest to her so they can spread it out.

I don`t know how much one can read into this polygraph of the grandmother. She is elderly. And this probably is the most traumatic episode of her life. So, I mean, her emotions have to be jumping all over the place.

Read more at the following link;
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/15/ng.01.html

MOO

 

[captdj]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5153285.php

Just finished listening to this. The things that stood out to me:
-From what Tim says it sounds like Misty was indeed pressured to take the test but by her husband's family, not by Tim.
-I think Tim feels he's being used in some gameplaying, what with the 180s and the family antics taking the focus off the search for Haleigh (how ironic)
-Got the president of the polygrapher's association to confirm the results and the acceptability of the methods. That's good because Misty's atty said they were going to try to round up someone to say the opposite.
-Tim's verification of Ron's working hours seems to consist of things that Ron told him.
-Wasn't it kind of Ron to buy cigarettes for Misty at 3 am after a huge fight earlier in the evening?

I was hoping he would share the 32 oz beer and extra bag of peanuts with her also.