Tim Miller Speaks Out

[elle1919]

I agree that the case needs all the eyes anyone can get on it. Tim and TES, Ron's PI, everybody is welcome to look for Haleigh as far as I'm concerned.

I'm just saying that to clear someone of all involvement in a crime it is not always enough to have an alibi. There are other ways of being an accomplice, such as taking part in the planning or soliciting assistance to do the crime, helping out in the cover-up afterwards etc.. Suppose this is a family operation to get some donation money or revenge against the other parent or a hoax to cover up a negligent accident or something. How would you go about proving which people had no hand in planning it?

How would LE show that Crystal never had a conversation with anyone in which she asked them to abduct Haleigh? How would LE prove that Ron told no one that he'd be working late on Monday evening and Misty would be knocked out and the back door would be left unlocked on purpose and it would be a good time to take Haleigh now?

It is very hard to prove a negative and clear anyone 100 % if you don't know who did which crime when and why and who all might have wanted it to happen or known about it. Which is why I think the judicial system is more concerned about getting proof that someone DID something than clearing people. The former can convict people, ruling others out just aids the investigation by helping it focus on the right path.

It would be reassuring and good for the reputation of everyone involved to get LE to clear them 100% if they can't be involved in any way, but I'm not sure it'll happen until it's known which kind of crime this is.

Good Morning Donjeta. What crime are you talking about in your post? Is Law Enforcement investigating a missing child case or a murder investigation? I really must refer to a document that I found extremely helpful when researching facts and protocols in missing children cases.

http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-mc-lawenforcement.htm

snip~These 1988 statistics illustrate the low priority given to missing child cases: they are old and questionable and a promised update has yet to be published despite the fact that twelve years have passed. An overall lack of knowledge, training and preparedness exists on the issue at most levels, including law enforcement. Formal kidnap protocols are not widely distributed among law enforcement agencies and most agencies have little or no experience investigating non-family or predatory abductions. So, if one occurs in your community, your local law enforcement agency might be ill prepared to investigate the case.~end snip

One thing is for sure, Haleigh is gone. Perhaps I am all alone in my thinking and I really don't mind. I am not impressed with Law Enforcement in this case and rather than list, again, actions that I find inappropriate, I will instead say that I think it is time for a set of guidelines to be developed on a federal level that are to be followed by Law Enforcement agencies who are investigating a missing child case. Not a murder case, a missing child case. Perhaps even some guidelines that family members must follow when their child goes missing. 1988 was a long time ago and it is time to get some standards in place that will protect our nations children.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Good Morning Donjeta. What crime are you talking about in your post? Is Law Enforcement investigating a missing child case or a murder investigation? I really must refer to a document that I found extremely helpful when researching facts and protocols in missing children cases.

http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-mc-lawenforcement.htm

snip~These 1988 statistics illustrate the low priority given to missing child cases: they are old and questionable and a promised update has yet to be published despite the fact that twelve years have passed. An overall lack of knowledge, training and preparedness exists on the issue at most levels, including law enforcement. Formal kidnap protocols are not widely distributed among law enforcement agencies and most agencies have little or no experience investigating non-family or predatory abductions. So, if one occurs in your community, your local law enforcement agency might be ill prepared to investigate the case.~end snip

One thing is for sure, Haleigh is gone. Perhaps I am all alone in my thinking and I really don't mind. I am not impressed with Law Enforcement in this case and rather than list, again, actions that I find inappropriate, I will instead say that I think it is time for a set of guidelines to be developed on a federal level that are to be followed by Law Enforcement agencies who are investigating a missing child case. Not a murder case, a missing child case. Perhaps even some guidelines that family members must follow when their child goes missing. 1988 was a long time ago and it is time to get some standards in place that will protect our nations children.

Bless you, and so may it be done. In my personal opinion, I think thats the crux of this missing child case. LE was ill prepared, ill informed and ill experienced to handle this case from the very beginning. We can see such a stark contrast between her case and Somer's. The investigative skills and intuitive actions made the difference between being at square one as in Haleigh's case, or fast forward towards now looking for "A Killer".

Le is even using strategy publically to find their killer. Latest request is speaking directly to the public giving them signs to look for. They have poured the heat on into a hot frying pan full of oil ready to engulf at the drop of a crumb. That's made a difference.

LE is stuck stuck stuck on Misty, and they need to come unglued.

 

[debs]

Or it could be that no one was lying at the start in Somer's case. Just taking a guess, though.

 

[elle1919]

What in the world is going on in here today? Did I miss a press release from Tim Miller or Mark NeJame that has eluded to the fact that there is something "hinky" going on with The Cummings family? Misty is not even a member of the Cummings family anymore. The divorce was finalized. When did Tim Miller say that there was something nefarious going on with inside The Cummings family? Mark NeJame, Tim Miller's attorney has gone so far as to say that in his opinion Ronald Cummings was not involved in Haleigh's disappearance? What did I miss?

 

[Donjeta]

It may be that some crimes are unsolved because the local LE doesn't know what to do to solve it but I also think it's possible that some crimes are more easily solvable than others. Some killers and abductors leave more clues than others and some witnesses tell the truth from the start.

 

[Donjeta]

What in the world is going on in here today? Did I miss a press release from Tim Miller or Mark NeJame that has eluded to the fact that there is something "hinky" going on with The Cummings family? Misty is not even a member of the Cummings family anymore. The divorce was finalized. When did Tim Miller say that there was something nefarious going on with inside The Cummings family? Mark NeJame, Tim Miller's attorney has gone so far as to say that in his opinion Ronald Cummings was not involved in Haleigh's disappearance? What did I miss?

I don't think he used the word hinky, not to my recollection. It was my own word choice which I used to refer to e.g. TM's statements that the family was not cooperative, that Misty is not being honest and that there were threats and assault rifles and so on. It is hinky to me and it appears it's hinky to TM but you may disagree and it's ok.

Misty was hailed as a mother figure extraordinaire who loves the children more than their own mother and it makes her a family member in my book, even if they've since chosen to divorce from her.

 

[elle1919]

I don't think he used the word hinky, not to my recollection. It was my own word choice which I used to refer to e.g. TM's statements that the family was not cooperative, that Misty is not being honest and that there were threats and assault rifles and so on. It is hinky to me and it appears it's hinky to TM but you may disagree and it's ok.

Misty was hailed as a mother figure extraordinaire who loves the children more than their own mother and it makes her a family member in my book, even if they've since chosen to divorce from her.

Can you please point me in the direction of the source for your statement that Tim Miller said the family is not being cooperative? TIA I have never heard or read that. How much more cooperative should Ronald be with Tim Miller?

Ronald asked Tim into his home, allowed Tim Miller to hold him and comfort him. Obviously this was a man that was trusted explicitly by Ronald. Then when Ronald becomes emotional and confides his deepest and most hidden fears, instead of supporting Ronald and perhaps encouraging him to seek counseling or the church or help in any way, Tim goes to a media outlet and rather than involve an outside agency or express concern for JR, he continues on with his "undercover operation" . I think after being outed in such a way I might be a tad stand-offish with the person who held me in his arms and said he understood too. JMO It can't be both ways. But uncooperative? I have not heard or read that.

 

[Donjeta]

Texas Equusearch founder Tim Miller, who has assisted law enforcement in the search for Haleigh since February, says the group focuses on finding children who still have a chance to be alive. That no longer includes the missing 6-year-old from Satsuma.

"In no way possible do I believe Haleigh is alive," Miller said. "Haleigh's going to be just as deceased tomorrow as she is today, or next week as she was six months ago, bottom line. And I hope I'm wrong about that. But let's try to save the ones that just disappeared or that we have leads on, with people that are cooperating, rather than fighting with these families."

I thought the comment about people that are cooperating very telling.

This is from
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/10/24/news/news01.txt

The same article might give some light on the discussion about whether or not TM plans to continue the search for Haleigh: it is not a priority because the chances are she's dead and other cases are preferred if there is hope of a better outcome but he hopes that Haleigh can be found and given a decent funeral.

After traveling to Jacksonville to assist in the search for 7-year-old Somer Thompson, whose body was discovered in a south Georgia landfill Thursday, Miller immediately jetted off to Oklahoma in his to aid in solving another disappearance.

"You have to drop everything else you're doing if you have a chance of bringing another home alive, and we have to do that," Miller said.

As for Haleigh, Miller's hope is to give her "the funeral she deserves and the dignity she deserves."

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Well, of course everything depends on what Miller means by "cooperating."I agree with elle; I think families have some expectation that Miller or any searcher won't run to the media with things that can reasonably be expected to remain private. At this point, how long has Miller been involved with Haleigh's case? There were written references to Texas Equusearch in the first week of her disappearance. So after 6 or 7 months of no success, it's somewhat understandable that people get crossways with each other. Before I jump to a conclusion that Ron or the family hasn't cooperated with Miller (and that is all Miller can be talking about, his own experience with Haleigh's family), Miller would have to do more than make a vague allegation that he didn't get cooperation, especially after months of involvement in the case. I still think that Miller over-reached and his statements are meant to spin what happened with DB and his decision to quit the search in a positive light. And I don't see anything wrong with that, so long as people who hear what he has to say don't extrapolate that to "Ron Cummings is not cooperating with LE."

Texas Equusearch is much better at finding people where there is some reasonable idea of where they might be (e.g., a fisherman drowned in a lake). I don't recall a big case in which he found the body of a missing child or adult (Natalee Holloway; Brian Shaffer; Caylee Anthony; Haleigh). That's not to take anything away from the effort or the objectivity and experience Miller brings. But when a killer wants to hide a body, it's going to take some luck to find it. (Even though Caylee Anthony was in a somewhat obvious place, flooding and bad LE judgment kept her "hidden" for a long while.) Then there is still the possibility, however remote, that Haleigh is still with us but hidden. The majority of kids who "disappear" are taken by non-custodial parents, grandparents, etc. It would take the kind of investigative work done by well-trained detectives to follow that trail; it might be that Miller's foray into doing polygraphs and setting up undercover stings is a natural outgrowth of reaching the limits of the kind of searching that he does so well, and his frustration with Haleigh's family is tied to the frustration of not being able to use police methods to get to answers.

 

[Donjeta]

Good Morning Donjeta. What crime are you talking about in your post? Is Law Enforcement investigating a missing child case or a murder investigation? I really must refer to a document that I found extremely helpful when researching facts and protocols in missing children cases.

http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-mc-lawenforcement.htm

snip~These 1988 statistics illustrate the low priority given to missing child cases: they are old and questionable and a promised update has yet to be published despite the fact that twelve years have passed. An overall lack of knowledge, training and preparedness exists on the issue at most levels, including law enforcement. Formal kidnap protocols are not widely distributed among law enforcement agencies and most agencies have little or no experience investigating non-family or predatory abductions. So, if one occurs in your community, your local law enforcement agency might be ill prepared to investigate the case.~end snip

One thing is for sure, Haleigh is gone. Perhaps I am all alone in my thinking and I really don't mind. I am not impressed with Law Enforcement in this case and rather than list, again, actions that I find inappropriate, I will instead say that I think it is time for a set of guidelines to be developed on a federal level that are to be followed by Law Enforcement agencies who are investigating a missing child case. Not a murder case, a missing child case. Perhaps even some guidelines that family members must follow when their child goes missing. 1988 was a long time ago and it is time to get some standards in place that will protect our nations children.

BBM. I really can't tell you for sure what they think because I'm not privy to the discussions LE has had among themselves. I recall an early statement that some crime has been committed but they don't yet know which one, and a more recent statement that it is a missing child case for now but a homicide detective is in the loop (which is perhaps not surprising as missing persons cases not infrequently turn out to be homicide cases after all.)

I agree that Law Enforcement everywhere should be educated about the proper guidelines and effective ways of solving missing children cases and there should be no shortage of resources.

 

[elle1919]

I thought the comment about people that are cooperating very telling.

This is from
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/10/24/news/news01.txt

The same article might give some light on the discussion about whether or not TM plans to continue the search for Haleigh: it is not a priority because the chances are she's dead and other cases are preferred if there is hope of a better outcome but he hopes that Haleigh can be found and given a decent funeral.

Donjeta thank you very much for those snips and the article. I did read those things but it is clear that I came away with it with a very different opinion than you. Thats nothing new huh?.....lol

snipped from your post~"In no way possible do I believe Haleigh is alive," Miller said. "Haleigh's going to be just as deceased tomorrow as she is today, or next week as she was six months ago, bottom line. And I hope I'm wrong about that. But let's try to save the ones that just disappeared or that we have leads on, with people that are cooperating, rather than fighting with these families." ~ end

Tim Miller states that he wants to focus on "saving" missing people who have just disappeared and have leads to follow, missing people with people that are cooperating, rather than FIGHTING WITH THESE FAMILIES. I see no mention of who is cooperating and who is not. He specifically speaks of families, not one family. Perhaps the fighting that he is taking part in would lead to a lack of cooperation and for that reason maybe the best thing he could have done was step to the side for a bit.

 

[Donjeta]

Donjeta thank you very much for those snips and the article. I did read those things but it is clear that I came away with it with a very different opinion than you. Thats nothing new huh?.....lol

snipped from your post~"In no way possible do I believe Haleigh is alive," Miller said. "Haleigh's going to be just as deceased tomorrow as she is today, or next week as she was six months ago, bottom line. And I hope I'm wrong about that. But let's try to save the ones that just disappeared or that we have leads on, with people that are cooperating, rather than fighting with these families." ~ end

Tim Miller states that he wants to focus on "saving" missing people who have just disappeared and have leads to follow, missing people with people that are cooperating, rather than FIGHTING WITH THESE FAMILIES. I see no mention of who is cooperating and who is not. He specifically speaks of families, not one family. Perhaps the fighting that he is taking part in would lead to a lack of cooperation and for that reason maybe the best thing he could have done was step to the side for a bit.

No, you're right, he does not specifically mention who is cooperating and who is not. But I think the inference is clear, because he's obviously contrasting Haleigh's case negatively with other cases. If the family is cooperating, he'd have had no reason to bring the matter even up because he should know that the remark is going to be interpreted as referring to non-cooperation by her family. Just MOO. :cow:

 

[cyberborg]

Or it could be that no one was lying at the start in Somer's case. Just taking a guess, though.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[cyberborg]

Who was it that released the voice mail that TM received? I am unclear on that point. If it was TM, again why would he put that out to the public....that is what I do not understand? I agree that I think he got too close and too emotionally involved and in doing so has crossed that line.

I guess that the only positive outcome of the circus that TM has been involved with, along with the Cummings family, is that it has kept Haleigh in the news and people still talking about her case.

Hopefully TM will be able to back away and regain some prospective of just what this case is about, which is finding Haleigh. Because IMHO there are way too many people wanting to be head honcho and wanting to run the investigation to make themselves come out on top when it should be about finding a little girl who has been missing for 8 months.

TM released the voice mail from TN, obviously, but he did so in response to Misty and Ron going on local TV to state their version of the Poly, LVA and hypno sessions -- contradicting TM and indicating he was lying about the family's involvement.

The voice mail is TN in her own words and goes to show the games the family play privately versus publicly --- why?

If they truly believe Misty's story then why work behind-the-scenes to get to the truth? Even Ron talks double-talk about Misty's story and his keeping enemies ever closer.

You can choose to ignore the inconsistencies and circumstances surrounding Misty's 'story' and suggest that LE should forget Misty and look elsewhere but, like Casey Anthony was the last person with Caylee -- Misty was the last 'adult' with HaLeigh.

Until you get to the bottom of her story that is verifiable, fits the physical evidence, phone calls and, maybe points to people Misty was with that night -- you cannot take the next natural step in investigation.

Misty has not been 100% forthcoming on what happened that night.

Why doesn't Misty tell the truth if it is just partying with friends or something?

HaLeigh might have been able to be found and recovered alive and safe -- as time passes it becomes more and more inevitable that HaLeigh is dead. If Misty's crime is covering up for stupidity then she is culpable for far worse by being selfish and putting herself before HaLeigh's life. :twocents:

 

[mnegri1973]

TM released the voice mail from TN, obviously, but he did so in response to Misty and Ron going on local TV to state their version of the Poly, LVA and hypno sessions -- contradicting TM and indicating he was lying about the family's involvement.

The voice mail is TN in her own words and goes to show the games the family play privately versus publicly --- why?

If they truly believe Misty's story then why work behind-the-scenes to get to the truth? Even Ron talks double-talk about Misty's story and his keeping enemies ever closer.

You can choose to ignore the inconsistencies and circumstances surrounding Misty's 'story' and suggest that LE should forget Misty and look elsewhere but, like Casey Anthony was the last person with Caylee -- Misty was the last 'adult' with HaLeigh.

Until you get to the bottom of her story that is verifiable, fits the physical evidence, phone calls and, maybe points to people Misty was with that night -- you cannot take the next natural step in investigation.

Misty has not been 100% forthcoming on what happened that night.

Why doesn't Misty tell the truth if it is just partying with friends or something?

HaLeigh might have been able to be found and recovered alive and safe -- as time passes it becomes more and more inevitable that HaLeigh is dead. If Misty's crime is covering up for stupidity then she is culpable for far worse by being selfish and putting herself before HaLeigh's life. :twocents:

I understand and agree with what you are saying about the games that were being played by the family and that Misty needs to come clean, but I think that where we disagree is that I feel that TM should not have been the one to give Misty those tests. I honestly do not see just how that helped Haleigh. Plus I don't see TM as being a stupid man, so I am not sure why he would even begin to play that games that TN and RC were playing with Misty, the media, and the investigation.

 

[debs]

I'm not sure I agree that TM was at fault for doing what he thought the family felt was necessary in order to get information from the person LE has stated is the key to the investigation. I think he was completely gobsmacked to find out that they would then accuse him of playing games, and so released the message from TN as well as the results in order to demonstrate that HE isn't playing games. THEY are.

I approve.

 

[Donjeta]

I understand and agree with what you are saying about the games that were being played by the family and that Misty needs to come clean, but I think that where we disagree is that I feel that TM should not have been the one to give Misty those tests. I honestly do not see just how that helped Haleigh. Plus I don't see TM as being a stupid man, so I am not sure why he would even begin to play that games that TN and RC were playing with Misty, the media, and the investigation.

I don't think TM gave Misty those tests, IIRC they had a separate polygrapher and a voice analyst do them. Misty said she wanted to clear her name, I doubt it's Tim Miller's fault that she failed the tests. I understand why he wanted the tests. It had been discussed a lot that Misty is hiding something. The family invited TES to come in and put a lot of resources into a search that might be a wild goose chase while Misty might possibly have told them where Haleigh is. It appears that at least some members of the family thought it was a good idea to put pressure on her.

If Misty or anybody else lies about what happened to Haleigh, I think it's justice for Haleigh to expose their lies.

 

[cyberborg]

I don't think TM gave Misty those tests, IIRC they had a separate polygrapher and a voice analyst do them. Misty said she wanted to clear her name, I doubt it's Tim Miller's fault that she failed the tests. I understand why he wanted the tests. It had been discussed a lot that Misty is hiding something. The family invited TES to come in and put a lot of resources into a search that might be a wild goose chase while Misty might possibly have told them where Haleigh is. It appears that at least some members of the family thought it was a good idea to put pressure on her.

If Misty or anybody else lies about what happened to Haleigh, I think it's justice for Haleigh to expose their lies.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't think TM gave Misty those tests, IIRC they had a separate polygrapher and a voice analyst do them. Misty said she wanted to clear her name, I doubt it's Tim Miller's fault that she failed the tests. I understand why he wanted the tests. It had been discussed a lot that Misty is hiding something. The family invited TES to come in and put a lot of resources into a search that might be a wild goose chase while Misty might possibly have told them where Haleigh is. It appears that at least some members of the family thought it was a good idea to put pressure on her.

If Misty or anybody else lies about what happened to Haleigh, I think it's justice for Haleigh to expose their lies.

BBM... It appears to me from what has been revealed the family's main intent was to make Misty the fall girl..They knew she would fail eventhough I am certain they convinced her otherwise...And as I stated before she should be forever grateful to TM for revealing their evil intent...JMO

 

[LinasK]

In light of the last comments TM made in regards to Mark Klass and those remarks did not sit well with the admin of this board or many member of this board, I really don't know if it is appropriate to start this thread. If anything maybe it should be in the media links thread.
TM has tarnished his reputation with many here, rightly so.
JMO, Fay

Thank-you for saying what I've been thinking Fay! :clap::clap::clap:There is no forgiving such disgusting remarks about Polly Klaas!:snooty: