Timeline Discussion

[liz b.]

But surely they have been thru the results of the flyer by now...a couple of hundred forms should not have taken long to read thru and compare and I'm guessing they did not get what they need.

If Terri had "handed Kyron off" to someone, for whatever initial reason, it would be the perfect time, now that Kaine has "betrayed" her and taken her daughter, etc. to tell LE she did it because Kaine was abusing Kyron, make all sort of allegations against Kaine, alluding to his brother, etc...that would have to be investigated even if totally false. I think if she could retrieve Kyron she would do so, and try to place the blame on Kaine or even Desiree, if she hates her enough. She could even say that Kyron had told her he was being abused in Medford and she was trying to "save" him.

If she is truly evil yet did not kill Kyron, this is something she might do. It is better than having people think you killed him if you didn't.

It does look like LE didn't get what they wanted from the questionnaire.And it is just possible that someone might have validated TH's story line about the school that morning.

All JMO

 

[21merc7]

BBM~
Good catch...you are right. It is hard to believe that a baby that age could go that long without eating. :waitasec:

Not meant for you kimmera, just jumping off point;

I don't think anyone is going through every minute detail. Some are a given. Lunch time, groceries in a bag that holds cool, or just fresh produce, etc... I think if baby is sleeping, then you do not disturb. I think little details will be worked out with her lawyer, but I would not give every blip because I would not think them important at the moment of shock and dismay. I personally cannot think when stressed, under duress, lack of sleep, let alone an emergency. The inability to think lasts as long as the emergency, until it is resolved. Can be days, weeks, months. No sleep, no concept of time, no recall, no ability to know one day or moment from the next.

My mind races, and races, trying to understand, trying to resolve whatever is not going smoothly. I did not know my own birthdate when the lawyer asked when in a very bad divorce. Hands shake, body, mind, all shake, just keep busy. No mind, it is afraid and protecting. JMO

 

[seeking truth]

No reports at all of demeanor. She could have been laughing like a loon, sobbing her little heart out, or catatonic for all we know.

ETA: But... at the school and at home we have reports that she seemed just fine.

Bolding and Underlining of post above.

BeanE, Desiree speaks to Terri's behavior at home and it doesn't sound like Terri was "behaving" right BECAUSE she was acting "just fine."

And there is the rub: Who acts "just fine," whines about their dye job, complains to everyone at home (including the officers camped out there) about failing their lie-detector tests, when THEIR STEP-SON HAS DISAPPEARED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH? (I'm not yelling, just trying to emphasize some glaring inconsistencies in Terri's demeanor, words, and behaviors after Kyron didn't get off the bus the afternoon of June 4, 2010).

My OPINIONS.

 

[BeanE]

Typo, I meant without. I'll edit. Thanks for noticing.

Whew! Thanks, Donjeta.

So far as the time, I just went back and listened to one of the videos again, and no, there was no reference to time.

I'm not sure what you mean though by the time, or by whether it was before or after he saw Terri. Do you mean that he could have seen Terri come back? And just not said so?

 

[BeanE]

Bolding and Underlining of post above.

BeanE, Desiree speaks to Terri's behavior at home and it doesn't sound like Terri was "behaving" right BECAUSE she was acting "just fine."

And there is the rub: Who acts "just fine," whines about their dye job, complains to everyone at home (including the officers camped out there) about failing their lie-detector tests, when THEIR STEP-SON HAS DISAPPEARED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH? (I'm not yelling, just trying to emphasize some glaring inconsistencies in Terri's demeanor, words, and behaviors after Kyron didn't get off the bus the afternoon of June 4, 2010).

My OPINIONS.

The conversation, if you read back, is about Terri's demeanor earlier in the day.

 

[BeanE]

BBM~
Good catch...you are right. It is hard to believe that a baby that age could go that long without eating. :waitasec:

How do you know the baby didn't eat?

 

[seeking truth]

The conversation, if you read back, is about Terri's demeanor earlier in the day.

I'm not following you, BeanE. I must have missed your meaning. Please fill me in.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Do you mean you are speaking to Terri acting just fine that morning at the school and then at home, when Kaine saw her, before they went to the bus?

In that case, Terri acting just fine at home , in front of Kaine that afternoon, is even more scary, in light of the obvious (to me) fact that she had earlier in the day disappeared this man's young son.

My opinion, based on what LE has released and the actions they have taken, which clearly point to Terri as the suspect (whether they are ready to say this in words yet, or not) My thoughts and beliefs on this case also take into account what Kaine and Desiree have said, and the simple fact that Terri's story never sounded right from the moment this story broke. Again, my OPINION.

 

[Donjeta]

Whew! Thanks, Donjeta.

So far as the time, I just went back and listened to one of the videos again, and no, there was no reference to time.

I'm not sure what you mean though by the time, or by whether it was before or after he saw Terri. Do you mean that he could have seen Terri come back? And just not said so?

IMO he didn't say whether he saw Kyron before or after he saw Terri leave. He was so vague that it might even be that Terri was with Kyron when TP last saw him.

Edited another error in the abovementioned brainfree post, I said "before or after he saw Terri" but I should have said "before or after he saw Kyron".

I'm confusing myself, time for a posting break

 

[tehcloser]

The investigators have let us know, mainly through Kaine and Desiree, that TERRI HAS LIED.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to go over this entire case and to recognize that this woman has a very tenuous relationship with TRUTH. To me, it is CLEAR that she has been caught in lies and these will be her downfall.

As far as SPECIFIC lies that we, the public can be completely sure of, that is not what is important; not to me, anyway.

It is the EVIDENCE of her lies, that has obviously been uncovered by investigators, that matters to me.

My opinions.

BBM

Well, IDK about rocket science, but I can tell you if it was so "clear", we would have seen an arrest by now.

 

[akashana]

How the heck did that post twice??? I got up and took the dogs for a walk, wasn't even at the keyboard. Not quite sure how I accomplished that feat . . .

 

[tehcloser]

i'm seeing double, or I'm physic about what people are fixing to post........lol.

 

[For The Kids]

No reports at all of demeanor. She could have been laughing like a loon, sobbing her little heart out, or catatonic for all we know.

ETA: But... at the school and at home we have reports that she seemed just fine.

I havent seen any evidence that she even has a heart

jmo

 

[angelmom]

BBM.

Maybe, but they can also impeach his grandmother for going against FBI (?) instructions regarding not speaking to the media. Plus, who knows what LE has dug up on this family. If I remember correctly, they know Terri and could have coached the little boy to lie for her.

The DA can get the grandmother, seen in the same news segment, on the stand and just go to town with her. The DA can ask the little boy some carefully worded questions, and since it is likely that his story is one that is made up, or the little guy is confused on times, I feel pretty sure his say-so is not going to cause Terri to go free, once arrested for this horrendous crime.

Just my opinions.

BBM...??? A 7yo isn't going to crack when questioned by LE? It's been almost 2 months! And while the FBI can ask you not to speak about the investigation, it's not illegal. We still live in a free country.

As far as his honesty, this child is probably the person with the least motive to lie in the entire case. He is the one person who really rings true to me, and puts me back on that fence.

Did TP really say it was after Terri left? IIRC in the video I saw he said that he saw Kyron but he didn't say anything about what time it was. The reporter said it was "about the same time", referring to 8:45. but TP didn't say anything about the time on the video. Then his granny said he told her that he saw Terri leaving without Kyron but she didn't say anything about whether it was before or after he saw Kyron.
Is there another video with TP or another classmate?

TP didn't give a time, but he indicated that it was when they were gathering together after viewing the exhibits in small groups. The "sub" was short a child and indicated it was Kyron. IMHO, that indicates that it was nearing the 10 AM time period when regular classes were supposed to begin. It also, IMHO, indicates that the "sub" (teacher helper, parent volunteer, whatever) did see Kyron and have him in her group at least initially. Why suddenly look for a child you've never seen?

If this is actually what happened and Terri can "prove" where she was until 10:10, then there is a problem with the timeline.

If no one saw her leave with Kyron and if he is not found, I don't see how anyone can charge her. What would they put on the arrest warrant? "I have a hinky feeling?" :waitasec: While it's frustrating not knowing, I don't ever want to be arrested, charged, or tried because of someone's hunch.

 

[seeking truth]

BBM

Well, IDK about rocket science, but I can tell you if it was so "clear", we would have seen an arrest by now.

What I meant about being "clear" was the fact that Terri is lying.

From my post that you responded to:

"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to go over this entire case and to recognize that this woman has a very tenuous relationship with TRUTH. To me, it is CLEAR that she has been caught in lies and these will be her downfall." (seeking truth).

I think LE knows what happened, knows who they plan to arrest, but are getting everything in order.

This is, of course, just my opinion.

 

[debirlfan]

But you know, in this digital age where almost every store has surveillance cameras and our presence can so easily be electronically tracked via cell phone pings, key card swipes and even traffic cams on well-traveled roads, it's not so easy to deny your whereabouts for a certain time period. Think about it - you were somewhere you shouldn't be, doing something you shouldn't do and have to account for it in some way. Can't say shopping because of the cameras, fast food places use them too, and most people would remember serving someone in a sit down restaurant. Even most community libraries or internet cafes have some sort of electronic tracking systems for their users. Some major roads have tolls or e-passes that log us in and out of their systems. So really, it's a simplistically brilliant alibi, if it is indeed a lie. How in the world can LE disprove her story unless somebody, somewhere can attest that they saw her elsewhere during that critical time.

Actually, she could very easily have said she was at home taking a nap. Unless she was seen elsewhere, it would be hard to prove that she wasn't.

Saying that she was out driving around suggests to me that either:
1. She WAS out driving around (for whatever reason) and assumed that she was probably seen.
2. She was actually at the house, but doesn't want anyone to know it.

 

[SurfieTX]

TP didn't give a time, but he indicated that it was when they were gathering together after viewing the exhibits in small groups. The "sub" was short a child and indicated it was Kyron. IMHO, that indicates that it was nearing the 10 AM time period when regular classes were supposed to begin. It also, IMHO, indicates that the "sub" (teacher helper, parent volunteer, whatever) did see Kyron and have him in her group at least initially. Why suddenly look for a child you've never seen?

If this is actually what happened and Terri can "prove" where she was until 10:10, then there is a problem with the timeline.

If no one saw her leave with Kyron and if he is not found, I don't see how anyone can charge her. What would they put on the arrest warrant? "I have a hinky feeling?" :waitasec: While it's frustrating not knowing, I don't ever want to be arrested, charged, or tried because of someone's hunch.

This is where it is sticky for me. We have statements from the school district. One is from Zimmerman who says they were seen at 8:15 in front of Kyron's exhibit. Then we have statements from two teachers who say they saw Kyron and TH together (when???). We have NOTHING from his teacher, other than she stated she marked him absent at roll at 10:00. The school has come back and said that they all assumed he had a doctor's appt. and so did Kyron's friend (whom he rode on the bus with as well).

Facts are that the bells rang at 8:35 (warning) and 8:45 (final) for class to start. Terri **says** she had him heading toward his classroom at 8:45. Why didn't they start back at the warning bell? She volunteered there and presumably was pretty well aware of the schools procedures/rules/routine.

Then we have TP's statement. Where does that fit in? If Kyron did tour with the class, wouldn't the teacher have seen TH pick up Kyron from class? Wouldn't we have more statements saying that Kyron was seen at school by other teachers? TP says the teacher said, "Don't worry, he probably went to the bathroom or got a drink of water." NOT, "Don't worry, I'm sure he's with his stepmom." Remember, she assumed he had a doctor's appt. and thus why no red flags about his absence.

THEN, LE comes out and says they want videos, pictures, etc. of Kyron after 8:45.

This is where the times are crucial IMHO. I hope LE has information to fill in these blanks.

 

[BeanE]

What kind of careful planning and premeditation goes into the part "And then I just drove around rural roads for a an hour or so"?

 

[Noway]

Not that I think it has much to do with anything, but little sister could have eaten at the gym. It seems there is room for her to do that.

http://www.24hourfitness.com/FindClubDetailGeneric.do?clubid=00561 (photo 4)


For anyone familiar with 24-Hour Fitness policy, is there anyway Terri could have left without clocking out and returned without clocking in, then clocked out at 12:40? TIA

 

[Jo in Calif]

So far we don't know what LE has learned from the questioner's from the school. This is Terry's version of her day. I don't believe we have LE's report of her cell pings, surveillance videos, time of receipts, time of bank card usage. IIRC it has been said that what she has said does not match what LE has, and I can imagine they have a lot more than what's been leaked and reported on, I also think we will be hit with a lot more bombs than we've already been hit with. With that said, my thoughts only, I can't say one way or another what went on that day without LE reports on her time line or weather or not Kyron was with her. But so far, from what we have, they can't arrest her for murder, especially with all the talk about Kyron still being alive. MOO

 

[Noway]

I'd like to know what kind of video surveillance 24HF has and whether Terri's truck was in the lot the whole time.

That and about 5,000 other questions ...