Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023 #3

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Eerie.

Someone posted yesterday that one of the 5 people in the Titan was a descendent of a person who was on the actual Titanic in 1912.

It’s the wife of Rush whose great grandparents died on the Titanic, now her husband in this hot mess.
 
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Wow, if you watch one video onTwitter let this one be it. Well worth it and appreciate the no nonsense, honesty of it all!

Bob Ballard, who first discovered the Titanic in 1985, tells @kyraphillips: "We knew instantly that it was game over." 'Titanic' director James Cameron adds: "The only scenario I could imagine was a catastrophic implosion."

 
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Interesting, considering it was 8 hours later that OceanGate contacted the Coast Guard. So did the Navy know about the submersible's lost communications before the Coast Guard? Or does the Navy make regular recordings, which they were then able to go back and listen to afterward (starting around the time of the sub's last communication)?

Maybe it says in the article, but it's behind a paywall.
The short article didn’t name a timeline.

“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”
 
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It’s being reported now that the implosion was heard but they had to identify the source obviously for confirmation.
 
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In 1990 I met Robert Ballard at a BBQ when he was trying to get support and rights to the Titanic artifacts to preserve for future generations, like a museum. Not my thing, but at the time I wanted whatever Ballard was on; his fire and love for the Titanic filled his whole being. It was exciting just listening to him.
These guys are a special breed.

IMO Paul-Henry Nargeolet, Stockton Rush, Hamish Harding, Shahzada Dawood, Sulaiman Dawood,
fit into the category of Different Thinkers Steve Jobs talked about:
"Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes ... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules, and they have no respect for the status quo. ... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things. ... They push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the people who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do."

As I understand it, the tourist-trips CEO Stockton Rush was doing helped fund his continuing research.

My deepest condolences to the families and this community of explorers.

JMO
How fortunate! I know he used to give talking tours, would love to hear him in person but that also can be done online.
He is a national treasure.
 
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Eerie.

Someone posted yesterday that one of the 5 people in the Titan was a descendent of a person who was on the actual Titanic in 1912.
His wife was the descendant.
 
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The water rushed in quickly, likely cutting them to bits and crushing them.

The water would be so fast that their brains wouldn’t receive the signal to know what was happening as they died almost instantaneously.

They were in the ocean, contained to what?? The ocean.

I’m referring to “an explosion goes outward as opposed to an implosion that goes inwards” What does that mean? Inwards to what, the vessel? I’m trying to visualize it, it still has to come out so at what point does it go from an implosion to explosion?
 
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I never cease to be astounded by it, from a perspective of a study of decay. You have what was obviously a cabin, walls of steel swiss cheese, barely recognisable, and in the middle of the room, a wood and brass bed head, upright, gleaming as though it's just been polished, and opposite it, a small vanity with a smooth white marble or porcelain top and a perfectly intact front of wicker. After almost a hundred years.

One of the pictures that has remained in my brain for decades, though I can't find it online, was an unrecognisably twisted mess of metal from the debris field, and sat on top of it, upright, an intact teacup, as though someone had just placed it there and walked away.

It's the dissonance of intactness contrasted with terrible decay and destruction that I thinks makes the images so arresting. The randomness of what is still virtually the same and what is completely obliterated. The parallel between that and the randomness of who survived and who did not. It makes me hurt, deeply, for all those who never came home. Five more, now, who will be there, in some form, forever.

MOO
Beautiful.
 
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Eerie.

Someone posted yesterday that one of the 5 people in the Titan was a descendent of a person who was on the actual Titanic in 1912.

Did they name the Titan after the Titan-ic?
 
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I’m referring to “an explosion goes outward as opposed to an implosion that goes inwards” What does that mean? Inwards to what, the vessel? I’m trying to visualize it, it still has to come out so at what point does it go from an implosion to explosion?

No, it does not come out due to pressure from the ocean water.

Think of an empty bag of potato chips, suck the air out with a straw….there’s your implosion.

The inside sides of the bag meet but on the sub, water pours in because they’re in the ocean.
 
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No, it does not come out due to pressure from the ocean water.

Think of an empty bag of potato chips, suck the air out with a straw….there’s your implosion.

The sides of the bag meet but on the sub, water pours in because they’re in the ocean.

Got it, thanks! I needed the analogy for visualization.
 
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It’s the wife of Rush whose great grandparents died on the Titanic, now her husband in this hot mess.
Eerie. I wonder if they met because of his fascination with the Titanic, or if that came after he met her, or ... ?
 
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Wow, if you watch one video onTwitter let this one be it. Well worth it and appreciate the no nonsense, honesty of it all!

Bob Ballard, who first discovered the Titanic in 1985, tells @kyraphillips: "We knew instantly that it was game over." 'Titanic' director James Cameron adds: "The only scenario I could imagine was a catastrophic implosion."


James Cameron says they lost their tracking transponder... I swear I don't remember hearing that before (but, it's likely I just missed it - or even more likely is that I forgot I heard it, lol)
 
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Did they name the Titan after the Titan-ic?
I wouldn't be surprised considering they have been taking tourists down to the Titanic wreck for the past 2 years.

Here is a real good photo of the inside of the Titan:

The interior of Ocean Gate's Titan submersible, seen in 2018.
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Shortly after? Or hours after? I suppose at some point we’ll find out whether they got to see the Titanic or not.

I’ve heard shortly after. I’m sure we will get more info soon.
 
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The water rushed in quickly, likely cutting them to bits and crushing them.

The water would be so fast that their brains wouldn’t receive the signal to know what was happening as they died almost instantaneously.

They were in the ocean, contained to what?? The ocean.

It would be more like a giant hammer, the water coming in. At that depth.

Like falling off a tall building and hitting concrete - except faster. Like being hit by a train going full speed - but likely faster.

IMO.
 
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Got it, thanks! I needed the analogy for visualization.
Also, since the sides of the sub were rigid, there is a good chance they (and the items and people inside) were essentially pulverised by the forces at play here, not neatly collapsed as the bag is, as it's flexible.

They've found parts of the outside shell (the tail fin), the landing struts, and the two titanium end caps, but none of the carbon fibre section, as far as we know.

MOO
 
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