Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023 #3

[MsMarple]

No, it does not come out due to pressure from the ocean water.

Think of an empty bag of potato chips, suck the air out with a straw….there’s your implosion.

The inside sides of the bag meet but on the sub, water pours in because they’re in the ocean.

An expert on CBS explained to a talking head that while the titanium parts were discernible it’s possible the carbon fiber hull may have shredded and if so won’t be found intact. The interviewer didn’t ask about the remains.

Thanks for the potato chips bag analogy! Had it been a steel or titanium hull I’d envision it kind of like a crushed pop can but I don’t know if that’s accurate.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Dawood family reacts to the death of Pakistani father-son duo in Titan submersible tragedy

Shahzada Dawood, 48, and his son Suleman Dawood, 18, died in OceanGate submersible

thenamal.com

 

[JDG]

It would be more like a giant hammer, the water coming in. At that depth.

Like falling off a tall building and hitting concrete - except faster. Like being hit by a train going full speed - but likely faster.

IMO.

Nature abhors a vacuum, right?

So fast you would be dead before you noticed.

We are, after all, water (70%).

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671748542082306055

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671748545378910209

 

[fred&edna]

'Just heard Fred Hagan (friend to several onboard the Titan, and previous passenger) say he wanted their epithet to be...

“It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”

—Theodore Roosevelt
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

ETA: Hagan said this with his face wet with tears.

 

[Cool Cats]

Titanic tourism is a thing and it's dangerous

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/21/business/oceangate-expeditions-titanic-tourism-cost-dangers/index.html

Oceangate Expeditions Titanic Cost

6 2022 Published 1256 pm. Web Missions take approximately 10 days eight of which are at sea and cost passengers 250000 each. Oceangate Pla...

c937jessienorman.blogspot.com

Photo shows the RMS Titanic shipwreck from a viewport of an Ocean Gate submersible.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

In a short statement, Mr Harding’s family said: “He was one of a kind and we adored him.

“He was a passionate explorer – whatever the terrain – who lived his life for his family, his business and for the next adventure.

“What he achieved in his lifetime was truly remarkable and if we can take any small consolation from this tragedy, it’s that we lost him doing what he loved.”

British adventurer’s family pay tribute to ‘dedicated father’ after Titan death

Hamish Harding was described as a ‘guide, an inspiration, a support and a living legend’.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

[whitelilac]

Wow, if you watch one video onTwitter let this one be it. Well worth it and appreciate the no nonsense, honesty of it all!

Bob Ballard, who first discovered the Titanic in 1985, tells @kyraphillips: "We knew instantly that it was game over." 'Titanic' director James Cameron adds: "The only scenario I could imagine was a catastrophic implosion."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671995886610661376

I wonder if what was earlier termed as a "distress signal" was in fact the loss of the tracker/transponder that Cameron stated. Both Ballard and Cameron felt that was the moment of the implosion. Wasn't that at the 1hr 45 mins point during the descent? If so, they never reached the Titanic (2 hours).

Terrible that the families had to go through 4 days of anguish when Ballard and Cameron knew pretty much that there weren't 4 days.

 

[BUF]

The US Navy detected an acoustic signature consistent with an implosion on Sunday in the general area where the Titanic-bound submersible was diving when it lost communication with its mother ship, a senior Navy official told CNN.

The Navy then immediately relayed that information to the on-scene commanders leading the search effort, and it was used to narrow down the area of the search, the official said.

But the sound of the implosion was determined to be “not definitive,” the official said, and the multinational efforts to find the submersible continued as a search and rescue effort. “Any chance of saving a life is worth continuing the mission,” the official said.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/us/submersible-titanic-oceangate-search-thursday/index.html#:~:text=The%20Navy%20detected%20an%20acoustic,senior%20Navy%20official%20told%20CNN.

 

[Luna20]

I wouldn't be surprised considering they have been taking tourists down to the Titanic wreck for the past 2 years.

Here is a real good photo of the inside of the Titan:

The interior of Ocean Gate's Titan submersible, seen in 2018.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/21/us/inside-missing-titan-submersible-titanic-tour/index.html

No way, it gives me anxiety just looking at the tight space.

 

[Cool Cats]

No way, it gives me anxiety just looking at the tight space.

Now imagine 4 other people with you! What if some want to lie down? What about the bathroom?

I read somewhere they tell you not to eat much - you can guess why. You have to bag it.

2 Cents

 

[citizen_sleuth]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671748542082306055

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671748545378910209

Wow, I walked past this park so many times while in college but I never stopped to read the inscription. I've always thought the statue was beautifully done.

 

[citygirl]

Wow, if you watch one video onTwitter let this one be it. Well worth it and appreciate the no nonsense, honesty of it all!

Bob Ballard, who first discovered the Titanic in 1985, tells @kyraphillips: "We knew instantly that it was game over." 'Titanic' director James Cameron adds: "The only scenario I could imagine was a catastrophic implosion."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671995886610661376

WOW is right!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"I felt in my bones what had happened. For the sub's electronics to fail and its communication system to fail, and its tracking transponder to fail simultaneously - sub's gone."

Cameron told BBC News the past week has "felt like a prolonged and nightmarish charade where people are running around talking about banging noises and talking about oxygen and all this other stuff".

"I knew that sub was sitting exactly underneath its last known depth and position. That's exactly where they found it," he continued.

He added that once a remotely controlled underwater vehicle was deployed on Thursday, searchers "found it within hours, probably within minutes".

Titanic director James Cameron accuses OceanGate of cutting corners

James Cameron, who did 33 submersible dives to Titanic's wreck, says the Titan sub's design was risky.

www.bbc.com

 

[AliceInPain]

To the boy. Sleep easy.

 

[iamshadow21]

"I felt in my bones what had happened. For the sub's electronics to fail and its communication system to fail, and its tracking transponder to fail simultaneously - sub's gone."

Cameron told BBC News the past week has "felt like a prolonged and nightmarish charade where people are running around talking about banging noises and talking about oxygen and all this other stuff".

"I knew that sub was sitting exactly underneath its last known depth and position. That's exactly where they found it," he continued.

He added that once a remotely controlled underwater vehicle was deployed on Thursday, searchers "found it within hours, probably within minutes".

Titanic director James Cameron accuses OceanGate of cutting corners

James Cameron, who did 33 submersible dives to Titanic's wreck, says the Titan sub's design was risky.

www.bbc.com

At least we know now that the Magellan stuff being held up wouldn't have made a difference.

MOO

 

[citygirl]

So many moving posts with historical quotes and words from the families and friends. Takes my breath away. All rising above blame and bitterness.
MOO.

 

[arielilane]

I wonder if what was earlier termed as a "distress signal" was in fact the loss of the tracker/transponder that Cameron stated. Both Ballard and Cameron felt that was the moment of the implosion. Wasn't that at the 1hr 45 mins point during the descent? If so, they never reached the Titanic (2 hours).

Terrible that the families had to go through 4 days of anguish when Ballard and Cameron knew pretty much that there weren't 4 days.

Ballard and Cameron were both on the same page and didn't question what either thought about the moment of the implosion, and that for me spoke volumes. Sad for the families involved, such great losses.

Edited to add: Yes, after 1 hr 45 min into the dive, both Ballard and Cameron agreed that the implosion happened instantly on the way down.

 

[10ofRods]

I’m referring to “an explosion goes outward as opposed to an implosion that goes inwards” What does that mean? Inwards to what, the vessel? I’m trying to visualize it, it still has to come out so at what point does it go from an implosion to explosion?

It doesn't. An implosion can also be described as a "squishing." The weight of the water outside the tube smashed the tube. The outer edges of the tube collapsed, the titanium ports popped off, most of the craft was completely destroyed, along with the contents of the tube.

Like dropping an anvil in something small and squishable. Yes, it was titanium, but to the Atlantic Ocean, all it needs is a tiny crack in a seam and the atmosphere and everything else inside the tube is crushed by 6000 pounds per square inch of pressure. And it happens rapidly, suddenly. If you were to take a cardboard tube and step on it, you'd be causing an implosion inside the tube.

Everything is basically pinned into place by the heavy water at the bottom. The Titan used weights to leverage gravity against the water, going down. The water wanted to crush the ship, but the hull held up until near the bottom (pressure increasing with each further foot they went down - with the window rated to 1400M and they were well beyond that).

Nothing comes out of the squashed tube under your foot (we'll envision a paper towel tube). You step on it, you never release the pressure (the ocean doesn't stop pressing on the Titan) and nothing comes out. The thing is broken and squished. If a person is not made of titanium, they are well and truly squished. Pulverized, basically.

IMO.

 

[Betty P]

'Just heard Fred Hagan (friend to several onboard the Titan, and previous passenger) say he wanted their epithet to be...

“It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”

—Theodore Roosevelt
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

ETA: Hagan said this with his face wet with tears.

How is going on a tourist trip to see the Titanic wreck a "worthy cause"? I feel sympathy for them and their family and friends, but it was an adventure trip, done for a thrill.