TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #11

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I'm confused about this whole AMBER Alert thing. There was never an official AMBER Alert issued for Holly. The NCMEC never had any AMBER Alert for her. Just because a MSM news source says "AMBER Alert", doesn't mean it's true. I think we're over-scrutinizing that point.

Also, although NCMEC typically works on cases of kids under 18, they do have a special statute that mandates they also take cases of "minors" under age 21. This is NOT uncommon. The following is on Holly's poster:

"SPECIAL NOTE: This case was initiated pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 5779. The individual pictured on this poster was reported missing when he or she was between the ages of 18 and 20. Law enforcement has entered this case in the FBI National Crime Information Center database and has asked NCMEC to disseminate this poster."

http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...seNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&searchLang=en_US


(The above is posted as just a normal poster and not a moderator. So take it FWIW. )

 

[Cubbies2010]

Just more conflicting information. She says the brother didnt call for a couple hours. I sure hope they find Holly!!

I think the media has no idea about the calls and is careless in reporting at times.

Even the Jackson Sun has 3 stories: all say the brother called plus one other person... one that says "unidentified woman", another says the mother called, and a third says the neighbor called. So the media have no idea who the second 911 call was from or when.

The sheriff in a very early video says a neighbor called because she heard screams. My guess is that is probably true. Because LE said it.

 

[not_my_kids]

Very interesting points you bring to the table. I think you do risk knocking a victim unconscious. I will say that I am 5'4"..120lbs...I have taken several blows to the nose and it takes quite a bit to knock someone out. You are more likely to render a person unconscious with a blow to the chin. It is the hot button for MMA fighters and boxers for a reason.

Just clarifying and sharing my own personal experience.

I agree, it's a risk, but not as easy as it sounds. I've taken multiple blows to the face myself and only been knocked out once, and that was an uppercut to the bottom of my chin that took me down. So I agree with you there. A straight on punch to the nose will sometimes case a lot of blood, but it's not necessarily enough to knock the person out. If he had something in his hand and hit her in the head, head wounds love to bleed, but I think there's the risk of knocking her out there too. If he hit her in the mouth, however, he could have cut his knuckles and it could be his blood. If she had her car keys out, it could be from anywhere, her face, her hand, or she could have gouged the perp anywhere.

I do still wonder if she didn't cut herself to intentionally leave a trail.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Well what made this so diff then the other missing woman?
Is one missing woman more important then another?

Wouldnt you feel a bit angry if they didnt do the same for your daughter?

I just dont understand what makes this case so diff?

We are missing something here! JMO

Is someone in the family Important?

I think all of the missing should get this much coverage. In this case, I think it is super. More is better. Somtimes I think its natural to begrudge the missing people that do get the attention. But if you or I went missing boy we or our families would sure want it. There are probably a lot of factors involved in who may/may not get coverage. Im not sure I buy the "pretty blonde woman" complaints, because I have seen a lot of coverage on some hispanic and black victims (Mitrice Richards). Ultimately I think its probably a combination of things... nature of the crime. Somone just vanishing and no one reporting them missing for a week or two doesn't have a big media punch. And lots of people do just disappear for various (non criminal) reasons. * In this case I think Holly's community involvement has helped. Its rare to see EVERYONE pitch in like this. Some missing people may be somehow less attractive to the media too. A missing mental person that was drunk or a suspected drug addict doesn't make a great TV splash. Occupation may have something to do wtih it too, for the same reasons. A missing dancer or stripper doesnt quite have the same punch as a missing nursing student or a girl who vanished on her way to school to buy a lamb for 4H. Not saying thats right... but thats probably a factor to some degree for national coverage.

* an older frind of mine retired, sold his business and moved out of the state. His two sisters came around looking for him and were shocked he was gone. He didn't tell them he was retiring, closing shop, sold the family house, etc. They hadn't SEEN him in a while but talked to him regularly. Just when they actually went to his house he was GONE, and probably for 6 months.

 

[SNOWINMEMPHIS]

One would think the scope of the case is already "nationwide" as a (somewhat dubious) Amber Alert was issued early on for Holly.

IMHO Holly is still believed to be in the areas they are searching.I think she was taken into the woods and transported on a fully-rigged atv like many people have, with the carrier on the back that can bring large deer out.
My brother said his would easily make it with someone Holly's size on the back in about 20 minutes...to the 8 mile point where her lunch tote was found.
Then I think the perp had a probably stolen vehicle waiting and used it to transfer her to another spot, where he took her to a "first stop" on another atv. Thinking the first ATV was the stolen one.
Once he knew he made it through the first night, IMO he took her much deeper into the wilds and is possibly keeping her in a cave obscured to everyone.
I think he is taking care not to harm her, as he wants to keep her pretty much forever.
They are probably living in a place he had prepared months ago. Deer jerky, water, tyvek covering for any needed warmth.
I think that he tried to take another girl besides this Heather.
These are just my own thoughts and not any statement of fact.
JMO

 

[10EC_Dad]

Have the BoBo's lived in this place since the kids were born?
Were they born and raised there?

From the property records, it appears the house and 2 acres were purchased in 1988. The last recorded purchase of the surrounding land was in 1996.

 

[lillys]

The thing is (like Casey Anthony?) the guy probably used Duct Tape that was laying around the house. So unless he wore gloves the day he bought it at the store, there could be fingerprints, touch DNA, etc. on the tape. Even if it is inconclusive now, if someone is found in the future, the brand and type of tape could be matched to tape found in the suspects house, car, etc. (again as in the Anthony case).

We can't do anything but guess about the duct tape until LE has it forensically tested.
So it can be argued all day that it was someone's duct tape from home or duct tape from a newly bought roll, kwim? :fence:

 

[wfgodot]

On behalf of Perry County, Sheriff Tommy Hickerson committed resources to the Decatur County Sheriffs Office Task Force to assist in the Amber Alert on Ms. Holly Bobo.
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Sheriff Hickerson said that Amber Alert in Tennessee is run by the TBI and is a voluntary partnership between law enforcement agencies, citizens, and the news media that issue alerts and update bulletins to Tennessee citizens. An Amber Alert puts everyone on the lookout for missing victims.

He added that an Amber Alert results in investigative and manpower priority being committed to the goal of finding the abducted minor. The effort is coordinated through the TBI’s Criminal Intelligence Unit.

http://www.buffaloriverreview.com/content.aspx?module=ContentItem&ID=206332&MemberID=1257

Evidently they freelance their Amber Alerts.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I'm confused about this whole AMBER Alert thing. There was never an official AMBER Alert issued for Holly. The NCMEC never had any AMBER Alert for her. Just because a MSM news source says "AMBER Alert", doesn't mean it's true. I think we're over-scrutinizing that point.


(The above is posted as just a normal poster and not a moderator. So take it FWIW. )

I think its a moot point. No Amber Alert could garner this much attention anyway so weather on was issued or not doesn't really matter. Shes missing, and everyone by now knows about it. I assume that with news slowing to a trickle and it just being a rehash of things that were presented by day two, there isnt much to do but to go back and nit pick or obsess over trivialities and semantics.

 

[SDT]

I do still wonder if she didn't cut herself to intentionally leave a trail.
For some crazy reason, I don't think she had time to think that quickly. I have a feeling it all took place rather quickly to not allow her time to think and to get control of her. If she had time, she would have probably put up a fight and dropped her lunch sack and other belongings. Then again, it is probably someone she knew and didn't feel the need to fight.

This whole thing has me running in circles :maddening:

 

[Eileen730]

Just more conflicting information. She says the brother didnt call for a couple hours. I sure hope they find Holly!!

Thats very interesting! but that cant be right can it! I wonder what time le got there.

could their arrival time be later then what we think?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

We can't do anything but guess about the duct tape until LE has it forensically tested.
So it can be argued all day that it was someone's duct tape from home or duct tape from a newly bought roll, kwim? :fence:

Yup my post, and others I made this morning (including a picture of it) are based on a flood of questions about the duct tape and what could you get from duct tape in general.

 

[Cubbies2010]

As for whether she was dragged or led forcefully or just walked with the perp, here is my theory on that.

The brother glanced out the window and saw her walking into the woods with who his brain told him had to be her BF because who expects their sister to be kidnapped from their own driveway?

At whatever time he then went out, saw her car still there and then saw the blood, he suddenly realizes he was probably wrong and freaks out. He calls the mom who says call 911, and when he calls 911, he tells them she was dragged because he wants them to be there RIGHT NOW to find her. In his mind, now that he suspects something is wrong, he realizes she was not walking cooperatively but was maybe being forced to walk along.

So I would bet he did tell LE she was dragged initially, but when they asked why he didn't react immediately, he clarified what he saw.

I think the human brain is going to go to the most obvious, most acceptable explanation for what it is seeing.

 

[Eileen730]

From the property records, it appears the house and 2 acres were purchased in 1988. The last recorded purchase of the surronding land was on 1996.

Oh ok thanks Dad!
guess they were not in witness protection then LOL

OMGGGGG lOl im off my rocker lol:woohoo:

 

[SweetSkit]

Thats very interesting! but that cant be right can it! I wonder what time le got there.

could their arrival time be later then what we think?

From my experience, it normally takes a while for LE to get ANYWHERE...

just sayin.

 

[lishac23]

If they take it nationwide does that mean they do not have a local in mind maybe no detaiment??? hmm so many questions

JMO...If nothing is found this weekend and the case goes "nationwide", I fear its because LE has not clue where she is or what happened to her. They've exhausted all local searches, tips and ideas and found nothing.

Not providing the locations of the areas they searched yesterday was interesting to me. Obviously they didn't want the media to annouce where they were looking to prevent alerting the perp. I believe its the same areas they're searching today/this weekend. I'm curious what led them there....the blood evidence, a tip? Why is it now okay to make those locations public?

Does anyone from the area know where these areas are in respect to HB's house and why they may be significant?

 

[vjlaw]

I'm confused about this whole AMBER Alert thing. There was never an official AMBER Alert issued for Holly. The NCMEC never had any AMBER Alert for her. Just because a MSM news source says "AMBER Alert", doesn't mean it's true. I think we're over-scrutinizing that point.

Also, although NCMEC typically works on cases of kids under 18, they do have a special statute that mandates they also take cases of "minors" under age 21. This is NOT uncommon. The following is on Holly's poster:

"SPECIAL NOTE: This case was initiated pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 5779. The individual pictured on this poster was reported missing when he or she was between the ages of 18 and 20. Law enforcement has entered this case in the FBI National Crime Information Center database and has asked NCMEC to disseminate this poster."

http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...seNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&searchLang=en_US


(The above is posted as just a normal poster and not a moderator. So take it FWIW. )

I think whoever printed the posters just had Amber Alert printed on them because they didn't understand what an amber alert is or the requirements for one. jmo

 

[Eileen730]

As for whether she was dragged or led forcefully or just walked with the perp, here is my theory on that.

The brother glanced out the window and saw her walking into the woods with who his brain told him had to be her BF because who expects their sister to be kidnapped from their own driveway?

At whatever time he then went out, saw her car still there and then saw the blood, he suddenly realizes he was probably wrong and freaks out. He calls the mom who says call 911, and when he calls 911, he tells them she was dragged because he wants them to be there RIGHT NOW to find her. In his mind, now that he suspects something is wrong, he realizes she was not walking cooperatively but was maybe being forced to walk along.

So I would bet he did tell LE she was dragged initially, but when they asked why he didn't react immediately, he clarified what he saw.

I think the human brain is going to go to the most obvious, most acceptable explanation for what it is seeing.

This is true... i totally agree .....

But..... what if his version isnt the truth? Thats a what if!!!!!
He is the last person to see her. You know what they say about the last person to see a missing person LOL

I just dont understand why they dont come out and say the family and the bf took a poly and clear them unless they took the test and didnt do so well.

Im at a totAL loss here JMOO

 

[10EC_Dad]

IMHO Holly is still believed to be in the areas they are searching.I think she was taken into the woods and transported on a fully-rigged atv like many people have, with the carrier on the back that can bring large deer out.
My brother said his would easily make it with someone Holly's size on the back in about 20 minutes...to the 8 mile point where her lunch tote was found.
Then I think the perp had a probably stolen vehicle waiting and used it to transfer her to another spot, where he took her to a "first stop" on another atv. Thinking the first ATV was the stolen one.
Once he knew he made it through the first night, IMO he took her much deeper into the wilds and is possibly keeping her in a cave obscured to everyone.
I think he is taking care not to harm her, as he wants to keep her pretty much forever.
They are probably living in a place he had prepared months ago. Deer jerky, water, tyvek covering for any needed warmth.
I think that he tried to take another girl besides this Heather.
These are just my own thoughts and not any statement of fact.
JMO

It sounds like the woods are thick and I do not see any visible ATV trails on the surrounding property.

Why would the perp steal a vehicle for this if he is local? It is one more risk that gains no real reward.

These woods are among fields and not in endless wilderness.

 

[Eileen730]

From my experience, it normally takes a while for LE to get ANYWHERE...

just sayin.

True but i thought they were called at 7 30 and arrived at 7 57?