TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #27

[Oriah]

I didn't follow from the beginning, but I can't understand how the scent dogs could have not followed her scent into the woods. If they went into the woods, they had to have walked through them to some exit area OR he left her there. Either way wouldn't scent dogs have been able to pick up her scent as she walked touching bushes or tree limbs. It would be the perfect conditions that scent dogs train right? No concrete, water or vehicles. Does anyone know what the dogs did when they were given her known clothing and then sat out at the edge of the woods where she was last known to be? Did they go a distance and then lose it or did they ever find the scent on the ground near the woods. OH, the odds of scent tracking would be even greater since she was bleeding too, right?

I didn't see this question upthread. Please direct me if it's elsewhere.

Yes, yes and yes Prancy.

I am completey perplexed by this SAR dog scenario.

There is no way (imvho) that a properly trained trailing dog would lose scent- given the time frame of the 911 calls- and the availability of scent articles- and with a handler knowing the general direction of travel...who would at the very least backtrack to the location last seen. Which is Holly's residence, and the property owned by the Bobo's.

If the dog(s) called out were properly trained for trailing-and the last seen info is correct- Holly was either moved by a vehicle at the rear treeline (the direction opposite of Swan Johnson) or else was abducted by one of Kimster's aliens. :banghead:

 

[BeanE]

Yes, yes and yes Prancy.

I am completey perplexed by this SAR dog scenario.

There is no way (imvho) that a properly trained trailing dog would lose scent- given the time frame of the 911 calls- and the availability of scent articles- and with a handler knowing the general direction of travel...who would at the very least backtrack to the location last seen. Holly's residence.

If the dog(s) called out were properly trained for trailing-and the last seen info is correct- Holly was either moved by a vehicle at the rear treeline (the direction opposite of Swan Johnson) or else was abducted by one of Kimster's aliens. :banghead:

Or Mark Furman - the only person who's said the dogs lost scent - was wrong.

 

[Oriah]

Or Mark Furman - the only person who's said the dogs lost scent - was wrong.

Yes. Sooooooo...... I go back to direction of travel. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[Whisperer]

Mark F. usually gets accurate information. He has good contacts.

Are the Bobos coming back on TV? I thought they were going to come back on JVM the following day.

 

[Whisperer]

I think it's time for TBI to give us an update or at the very least give me one so I don't go mad. I'll even offer to give them my phone number for a personal update. :floorlaugh:

I hope you called them and left your number ~n/t~. :floorlaugh:

If they haven't called you..I am ready to get real worried...again! Another LE in another rural area NOT caring to give out information. I don't like the way this is going. If stranger abduction, they have no problem giving out info. In fact, they want to...so the public can help.

When they lock out the public...it is never good.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Mark F. usually gets accurate information. He has good contacts.

Are the Bobos coming back on TV? I thought they were going to come back on JVM the following day.

The Bobos did the TV interview I posted earlier today.

Who knows with Fehrman who was professionally discredited. Myself I would take whatever he says with a BIG grain of salt. All these TV talking heads are EX something or another... usually EX for a reason. Plus his statement on NG was the same show that talked about blood flecks across the yard etc. With regards to the dogs, his quote was something like "I called Tennessee and they said..." Like he spoke to a State? WHO like name, rank/authority?

 

[BeanE]

Hard Rock Café to Host Hope for Holly Benefit
8/10/11

The Hope for Holly benefit concert and silent auction starts Aug. 13 at 9 pm in the Hard Rock Café’s Reverb Room at its location on Broadway in downtown Nashville.

A number of items will be auctioned including some from Amy Grant, Faith Hill, Vince Gill, Buddy Jewel and Burns & Poe. All proceeds from the benefit will go to the Bobo family.

http://www.decaturcountyonline.com/article.asp?art=1751

 

[wfgodot]

Didn't Fuhrman say he'd spoken "to a dispatcher"? Unlike, say, a sheriff, undersheriff, or uniformed officer?

 

[BeanE]

The Bobos did the TV interview I posted earlier today.

Who knows with Fehrman who was professionally discredited. Myself I would take whatever he says with a BIG grain of salt. All these TV talking heads are EX something or another... usually EX for a reason. Plus his statement on NG was the same show that talked about blood flecks across the yard etc. With regards to the dogs, his quote was something like "I called Tennessee and they said..." Like he spoke to a State? WHO like name, rank/authority?

I like Mark a lot.

I have a HUGE problem with any information 1) comes from one and only one source, and 2) the source of the information is not given.

Re: 1 - I just have to have another confirmation before I can feel confident the info is true and accurate.

Re: 2 - If someone can't name the source of their info, my belief is that there's something seriously wrong.

Like I said, I like Mark, but this info rates very low on my credibility and reliability scale.

 

[Whisperer]

I don't think 6ft is average male height in U.S.A. Unless an area is heavily Nordic, most men are under 6ft in U.S.

 

[Oriah]

Mark F. usually gets accurate information. He has good contacts.

Are the Bobos coming back on TV? I thought they were going to come back on JVM the following day.

I don't know about the accuracy of MF's statements or contacts.

I do know, that if called out on a case within the short period of time between Holly's abduction, the 911 calls made to local LE, and bringing SAR dog(s) out... that there is no way a well-trained dog and handler should lose scent of a missing person traveling on foot. Unless there's a body of water, or vehicle access at the location the scent was lost.

Neither of those are true in Holly's case- unless the reporting is completely incorrect.

Vehicle access is north, northeast, and southwest of the treeline- water access is east of Holly's last seen direction of travel.

What is going on here??

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Didn't Fuhrman say he'd spoken "to a dispatcher"? Unlike, say, a sheriff, undersheriff, or uniformed officer?

Ok its from Geraldo (not NG but same difference)

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4661350/frustration-mounts-in-search-for-holly-bobo

at about 7:22 he says he talked to a Dispatcher

around 8:44 he speaks about the scent

Who knows...

 

[BeanE]

Didn't Fuhrman say he'd spoken "to a dispatcher"? Unlike, say, a sheriff, undersheriff, or uniformed officer?

Earlier in the show he said 'dispatcher' with TBI and 'someone' (dispatcher? secretary? clerk? janitor?) with Sheriff's office.

Later in the show, when he mentioned the scent, he just said 'when I called TN'.

Video – Frustration Mounts in Search for Holly Bobo
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4661350/frustration-mounts-in-search-for-holly-bobo
Fox News Geraldo at Large – Apr 25, 2011- 10:40am
John Walsh, Mark Furman
Case Signal Transcriptions:
- Mark Furman @ 7:14: “I called Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. I actually talked to a dispatcher. I talked to somebody in the Sheriff’s department.”
- Mark Furman @ 8:39: “When I called Tennessee, I also found out that the dogs did not scent anything in that treeline where they supposedly entered.”

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I don't think 6ft is average male height in U.S.A. Unless an area is heavily Nordic, most men are under 6ft in U.S.

ok as of like 2006 its 5' 10.5 inches... thats close enough. My point is though the description is so vague that it does not even eliminate ME at least by height.

Its a totally useless description. It does not even say the suspect is white, although that is assumed.

 

[wishuwerehere]

In the Geraldo video above, at 6:08 a pond is shown. I'm sure this body of water was searched, yes? And any and all other bodies of water close to the Bobo home were searched also?

 

[cluciano63]

Oriah would the dogs be confused if her scent were all over the property?
Still, they should have followed it into the wooded area, though, right? If she had entered the woods on foot? What if she was carried at that point and tossed into a nearby waiting vehicle?

The thing about what MF said on Fox, it was never really picked up on by any other media or further explored, or even contradicted, it's like he just said it and that was the end of it, other than rumors and message boards, as far as I know. It would be significant info, if true.

 

[shefner]

Today I said a prayer for you, Holly....and for your family.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

As for scent trails remember too that Tornados and bad weather hit that area almost at the same time that Holly went missing. A lot of the searches were postponed due to weather.

 

[Prancy]

After the Bobo family were interviewed by JVM, she said she was going to contact LE and find out what was going on. She seem perplexed at the number of things that mom had no idea about, because she said LE refused to tell her much of anything. I didn't see JVM the next night, so I don't know if she had any luck with LE who is conducting the investigation.
I wonder what they told JVM.....Hmmmmm.......

 

[Carla Lashelle]

After the Bobo family were interviewed by JVM, she said she was going to contact LE and find out what was going on. She seem perplexed at the number of things that mom had no idea about, because she said LE refused to tell her much of anything. I didn't see JVM the next night, so I don't know if she had any luck with LE who is conducting the investigation.
I wonder what they told JVM.....Hmmmmm.......

No followup (was not expecting any)

I think that interview was the first and only time Holly was on the JVM show and Holly was only mentioned on NG I believe twice?