TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #27

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  • #301
This is why I ask if there is ONE "official" timeline in use. Then as BeanE says there would not be "rumors and innuendo" surrounding this case.
As some of the posters here have said , LE has questioned the family and supposedly sorted it all out.

If there is that Official timeline, would someone be kind enough to post it, and we can ALL be on the same page.

The reason I ask when someone last saw Holly , other than Clint, is for all we know something could of happened to her during the night time/early morning hours.

.....and BeanE, I know what your saying about all the rumors flying around and hurting the family. However, do you think it should be this hard to obtain One cohesive eyewitness account? Unfortunately this is how rumors get started. Information gets released that does not add up, and the rest is history.:banghead:

May I add one more thing--I am not talking about releasing "sensitive " information that would jeopardize the case in any way. That is not our business

BBM. I've never said having one timeline would prevent rumors and innuendo. I do not believe that to be true.

I don't think there's any 'should' to how hard or easy it is for the public to get a cohesive account. I also disagree that that has much, if anything, to do with how rumors get started. It is my belief that people who create and spread rumors and gossip will do so no matter what. I believe rumors and gossip come from an internal need of the people who create and spread them to feel important, and sometimes an internal need just to be mean. People offer up all kinds of excuses and rationalizations for starting and promulgating rumors and gossip in these cases. None of them have yet to hold water with me.

The only persons/entities that need an accurate account of what happened is LE. The rest of us are all bystanders, onlookers, and our only right - the only 'should' - is that we take what we can get, and be responsible with what we generate.

It's frustrating to want to help, and be unable to because of a lack of available, reliable, credible information. I accept that there are limits to how much I can help in those circumstances. I'm patient. I just wait for the info to become available.

I figure if LE needs me - something I doubt since I'm just a random anonymous old lady on the net with a defective brain, and not a professional - they'll let me know, and give me what I need to help them in the way they want me to help.

And none of the information in any of these cases is any of my business. I am always mindful that I am ever intrusive on other people's lives in these cases - an uninvited guest, who's probably not wanted.
 
  • #302
Oriah,

By this statement you agree the "scream" did not necessarily come from Holly?

Clint was the only one to have "actually" seen Holly, right.

...and if the scream is the determining factor in establishing a timeline, then the beginning timeline could be wrong.Yes?

Now my question would be "when was the last time anyone saw Holly before Clint's eyewitness account of 2 people walking into the woods.

This is why I ask if there is ONE "official" timeline in use. Then as BeanE says there would not be "rumors and innuendo" surrounding this case.
As some of the posters here have said , LE has questioned the family and supposedly sorted it all out.

If there is that Official timeline, would someone be kind enough to post it, and we can ALL be on the same page.

The reason I ask when someone last saw Holly , other than Clint, is for all we know something could of happened to her during the night time/early morning hours.

.....and BeanE, I know what your saying about all the rumors flying around and hurting the family. However, do you think it should be this hard to obtain One cohesive eyewitness account? Unfortunately this is how rumors get started. Information gets released that does not add up, and the rest is history.:banghead:

May I add one more thing--I am not talking about releasing "sensitive " information that would jeopardize the case in any way. That is not our business

No worries about releasing sensitive information. Anyone who is in a position to do so, I'm sure already knows that. ;)

I am not 100% positive the 'scream' came from Holly. There's no way we could know that with certainty, unless someone witnessed Holly screaming, or there was audio recorded that could possibly be analyzed.

However- there is a cohesive eyewitness account (invho) and that is that Clint saw Holly with a person dressed in camoflage that morning.
 
  • #303
I've read that Holly's lunch box was found 8 miles away.

So- do you suppose she walked into the woods carrying her lunch box,cell phone and purse as if going to school?

Nothing makes any sense at all!
 
  • #304
I've read that Holly's lunch box was found 8 miles away.

So- do you suppose she walked into the woods carrying her lunch box,cell phone and purse as if going to school?

Nothing makes any sense at all!
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Cause I've thought from the beginning that the perp. had a pack he put her stuff in.

And that maybe that "turkey" was really a pack on the carport floor.
 
  • #305
I've read that Holly's lunch box was found 8 miles away.

So- do you suppose she walked into the woods carrying her lunch box,cell phone and purse as if going to school?

Nothing makes any sense at all!

Well its been said the bag (it wasnt a box) was found by the roadside and appeared to have been thrown from a car. I doubt she walked there.

We do not know xactly what Holly was carrying or not carrying when she left her house. Nor do we really know if she dropped anything at home (it has never been said one way or another).

it seems the lunch bag may have been something you could/would sling over your shoulder, so her carrying it would not be unusual. That would make more sense than stopping to pull it off over your head. If she had anything in a back pack or bag, its quite possible her abductor just scooped it up when they walked away. Aparently Holly did drop a soda can back home. Anything else we don't know.
 
  • #306
What we don't know could fill 27 threads.
 
  • #307
I've read that Holly's lunch box was found 8 miles away.

So- do you suppose she walked into the woods carrying her lunch box,cell phone and purse as if going to school?

Nothing makes any sense at all!

I don't recall that she had her purse. I'm assuming she had everything in a backpack on her back. Except a Coke. Possibly a turkey.
 
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No worries about releasing sensitive information. Anyone who is in a position to do so, I'm sure already knows that. ;)]




Thanks Oriah,

The "release of sensitive info" comment was actually meant for the posters here at WS, not LE. LOL ! How sad would that be if LE needed a regular citizen to tell them that, least of all ME!! DUH!
Just figured someone here would be after me for suggesting "case sensitive" info be given out to the public.
 
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What we don't know HAS filled 27 threads...:seeya:

We all try to make sense out of incomplete information and try to fill in the blanks.
 
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Will that be cooked in a cooking bag or pack?

Let's hope the perp's goose is cooked, anyway.

:floorlaugh:

It will be cooked over a fire, in a pot dug from the depths of TN civil war-era soil.

Speaking of which, there are rather a lot of remnants of civil war battles etc in the area of where Holly was abducted from.
Which made me think about veterans, and VA hospitals. And all of that.
 
  • #315
I wonder what Holly's brother's normal schedule was. Was he normally at work at that hour or does he go in later? I'm trying to figure out how someone who knew her, would plan to take her away, if they knew her brother was inside and expecially if he owned a firearm. That area seems to be pretty much full of hunters and many people keep firearms in the home and don't think too long about pulling one out to shoot in self defense. How would the abductor know brother wouldn't do it?
 
  • #316
BBM. I've never said having one timeline would prevent rumors and innuendo. I do not believe that to be true

I don't think there's any 'should' to how hard or easy it is for the public to get a cohesive account. I also disagree that that has much, if anything, to do with how rumors get started. It is my belief that people who create and spread rumors and gossip will do so no matter what. I believe rumors and gossip come from an internal need of the people who create and spread them to feel important, and sometimes an internal need just to be mean. People offer up all kinds of excuses and rationalizations for starting and promulgating rumors and gossip in these cases. None of them have yet to hold water with me.

The only persons/entities that need an accurate account of what happened is LE. The rest of us are all bystanders, onlookers, and our only right - the only 'should' - is that we take what we can get, and be responsible with what we generate.

It's frustrating to want to help, and be unable to because of a lack of available, reliable, credible information. I accept that there are limits to how much I can help in those circumstances. I'm patient. I just wait for the info to become available.

I figure if LE needs me - something I doubt since I'm just a random anonymous old lady on the net with a defective brain, and not a professional - they'll let me know, and give me what I need to help them in the way they want me to help.

And none of the information in any of these cases is any of my business. I am always mindful that I am ever intrusive on other people's lives in these cases - an uninvited guest, who's probably not wanted.]

BeanE,

WOW! I may be wrong, but I take it your not happy with me???

>Forgive me, I never meant to suggest you thought a timeline would prevent rumors or innuendo. I see where my wording suggested that.

>"the only " should" is that we take what we can get and be responsible with what we generate". I happen to love that line, and agree 100%.

Here is the problem: If we take what we get ( and that info/account has so many inconsistencies), it will leave us with many questions. Questions we come here and other forums to discuss with like-minded people. We share opinions, and some of those opinions may not be to your liking , but they are after all "opinions" "Gossip" is another thing altogether, the hurtful side of "rumors". Although I believe this to be true of WS, I will only speak for myself when I say, all I have are "Question's", musings if you will, that stem from inaccuracies in witness accounts. Unlike you, I do believe this causes rumors. JMO
> I would never assume LE needs My help, and I agree with you in that I am an "uninvited guest, who's probably not wanted".:truce:
 
  • #317
Im still kinda fuzzy about what happened within the house that morning...

Clint hears strange voices outside
Clint sees silhouettes of unknown people
Clint now thinks the unknown people are Holly and Drew
Clint calls his mom to ask what Holly is doing in the garage
Karen says Holly is supposed to be at school
Clint seems to have forgotten about people in the garage for a bit, and at some point looks out a window and sees Holly walking away. At some point Clint goes outside and possibly goes to look for Holly at the tree line because he now realizes it was not Drew.

Thanks goes to Carla Lashelle, BeanE and the Youtube user poizyn1 for the videos of the Bobo Family.

The direct quotes from Clint help me further understand the situation. I read back several pages and, while finding a significant amount of discussion about turkeys, didn't find too much about recapping the statements (with exception of Carla Lashelle's quote above) and comparing them to some of the thoughts and theories previously brought up. I apologize if this has been brought up prior to me writing this.

Prior to the family's statements, I thought the garage discussed was the garage in the rear of the house, it turns out to be attached to the house. This changes the line-of-sight, and changes where the pair walked into the woods.

Also another important statement was that Clint saw 2 people in the garage. Clint also saw them kneel down.

Clint then called his mother to find out about the "two voices" he heard outside. He didn't know who "they were" and also found out that Holly should be in school.

After the phone call, Clint looked outside and saw that her sister was walking with a man into the woods from the garage.

Clint then investigates and finds blood. He first thinks this is turkey blood.


At roughly minute 8 on 005.AVI, D. Bobo states that the blood in the garage has been found to be Holly's Blood.

So putting it all together... According to Clint's statement, he awoke to the barking of the family dog. He heard a significant conversation between two individuals.

He could not ID that one of those voices was that of his sister. One can safely assume that if he could hear conversations, he would also be able to hear a scream. He did not state that he heard a scream.

He called his mom (As I think I would have done if two strangers were around the house. Were they repair men, yard workers, was their something going on that my parents forgot to tell me about?)

Clint's mother told him that Holly should have been at school, and one can assume that she said she had no idea who the people were outside.

Clint looks out into the garage and sees the two people kneeling down. Shortly before this time, unknown to Clint, there was an altercation in the garage which led to Holly being brought down to the ground or at the least her knees.

She was injured in a fashion that would create blood splatter on the garage floor but the TBI has previously stated that the amount of blood found was not conducive to a fatal injury.

She was guided away from the garage, Clint is able to make out that it is in fact his sister with a man in full camo gear.

This leaves a few significant questions in my mind.

1) Could there be a second perp?

I know I can make out my brother's, father's, mother's, niece's, aunt's and any number of other relative's voices if they were outside my house. Clint could have overheard a second person talking from another area and assumed both people were in the garage.

2) What happened that alerted the dog to the situation?

I think there is a good chance that Holly did in fact make enough noise, and possibly a scream, to alert the dog. Whatever alerted the dog was not loud enough to wake Clint.

3) Why aren't the 911 tapes being released?

The tapes could clear up any issues related to the statements, even if they release a limited transcript.

4) If the perp had a weapon capable of making Holly "fear for her life" and follow them into the woods, why would she need to be struck and blood drawn?

Striking someone during a conversation sounds like a personal attack, almost as if Holly knew the attacker. After she made the perp angry, she was hit, and a weapon was then presented. Holly then may have followed the instructions she was told.


Just a review and a few questions along with my opinion
 
  • #318
BeanE,

WOW! I may be wrong, but I take it your not happy with me???

>Forgive me, I never meant to suggest you thought a timeline would prevent rumors or innuendo. I see where my wording suggested that.

>"the only " should" is that we take what we can get and be responsible with what we generate". I happen to love that line, and agree 100%.

Here is the problem: If we take what we get ( and that info/account has so many inconsistencies), it will leave us with many questions. Questions we come here and other forums to discuss with like-minded people. We share opinions, and some of those opinions may not be to your liking , but they are after all "opinions" "Gossip" is another thing altogether, the hurtful side of "rumors". Although I believe this to be true of WS, I will only speak for myself when I say, all I have are "Question's", musings if you will, that stem from inaccuracies in witness accounts. Unlike you, I do believe this causes rumors. JMO
> I would never assume LE needs My help, and I agree with you in that I am an "uninvited guest, who's probably not wanted".:truce:

I'm not unhappy with you. :)
 
  • #319
After all this I need some WILD TURKEY... nitey nite...
 
  • #320
No worries about releasing sensitive information. Anyone who is in a position to do so, I'm sure already knows that. ;)

I am not 100% positive the 'scream' came from Holly. There's no way we could know that with certainty, unless someone witnessed Holly screaming, or there was audio recorded that could possibly be analyzed.

However- there is a cohesive eyewitness account (invho) and that is that Clint saw Holly with a person dressed in camoflage that morning.

Are you sure of that?
If the neighbor heard screaming comming from the home why didnt Clint?
The Screams had to be loud enough because the neighbors are not all that close.

Mom said Holly was up studying at 4 30 am did mom see her or talk to her later on in the morning.

so far the timeline starts at 4 30 am so who saw her?
 
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