TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #27

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  • #321
Are you sure of that?
If the neighbor heard screaming comming from the home why didnt Clint?
The Screams had to be loud enough because the neighbors are not all that close.

Mom said Holly was up studying at 4 30 am did mom see her or talk to her later on in the morning.

so far the timeline starts at 4 30 am so who saw her?

I have always felt that Holly did not scream while she was at her own house. The screams were not at the beginning of what happened, but towards the end.

That makes sense too... You wouldnt scream (describd as blood curdling screams, meaning more than one scream) and then quietly go back into your garage and then walk away with someone. But half a mile away from the house when the guy tries to do something... thats when she screams. The neighbor was also outside versus if Clint were far away and inside.
 
  • #322
Are you sure of that?
If the neighbor heard screaming comming from the home why didnt Clint?
The Screams had to be loud enough because the neighbors are not all that close.

Mom said Holly was up studying at 4 30 am did mom see her or talk to her later on in the morning.

so far the timeline starts at 4 30 am so who saw her?

Respectfully, the location of the 'scream' has not been established. In fact, it would stand to reason that the genesis of its location would be closer to the neighbors residence than to the Bobo's- which would further explain why CB did not hear it.

I'm somewhat sure that KB got up for work at her usual time; I think Holly was up and studying- and Holly said that she had been up since 4:30AM. I think KB also spoke to Holly and Drew after she left for work.

Does that make sense?

Jmvho of course!
 
  • #323
I have always felt that Holly did not scream while she was at her own house. The screams were not at the beginning of what happened, but towards the end.

That makes sense too... You wouldnt scream (describd as blood curdling screams, meaning more than one scream) and then quietly go back into your garage and then walk away with someone. But half a mile away from the house when the guy tries to do something... thats when she screams. The neighbor was also outside versus if Clint were far away and inside.

Carla, do you have a link for this? I must have missed it somewhere. TIA.
 
  • #324
Holly....I woke up today and came here to check on you. Where are you? What has happened?

We are waiting for you to come home....
 
  • #325
I have always felt that Holly did not scream while she was at her own house. The screams were not at the beginning of what happened, but towards the end.

That makes sense too... You wouldnt scream (describd as blood curdling screams, meaning more than one scream) and then quietly go back into your garage and then walk away with someone. But half a mile away from the house when the guy tries to do something... thats when she screams. The neighbor was also outside versus if Clint were far away and inside.

I would think she screamed where her blood was found and why carry all her stuff arond with her makes no sense to me at all.

This case has boggled my brain!
 
  • #326
Carla, do you have a link for this? I must have missed it somewhere. TIA.

Posted here some 27 threads ago...

There is also a brief video clip of a/the neighbor discussing it

Its hard sometimes finding news items 4 months down the road because links go bad, stories are updated, etc. Its tough if you have not been on a case from day 1 and see things as they happen and get posted.
 
  • #327
Respectfully, the location of the 'scream' has not been established. In fact, it would stand to reason that the genesis of its location would be closer to the neighbors residence than to the Bobo's- which would further explain why CB did not hear it.

I'm somewhat sure that KB got up for work at her usual time; I think Holly was up and studying- and Holly said that she had been up since 4:30AM. I think KB also spoke to Holly and Drew after she left for work.

Does that make sense?

Jmvho of course!

Do you think drew was at the house? could he have been theree and was leaving
as karen was leaving?

Otherwise where would she have seen him to talk to him?
 
  • #328
I've read that Holly's lunch box was found 8 miles away.

So- do you suppose she walked into the woods carrying her lunch box,cell phone and purse as if going to school?

Nothing makes any sense at all!

I do not think she carried that lunch box!
 
  • #329
I don't recall that she had her purse. I'm assuming she had everything in a backpack on her back. Except a Coke. Possibly a turkey.

funny bean!

I question the backpack only because during exams my kids dont take
backpacks

Phone in pocket or HAND lol a pencill purse.
 
  • #330
What did you all think of the Jane Velez mitchell interview?

And did you all see that local interview open something the 2 part interview?

I swear this just gets more and more confsusing!
 
  • #331
I have a ton of questions LOL

Do you think the neighbor tried to call the Bobo's home before she called the school after she heard the screams comming from the home
 
  • #332
Respectfully, the location of the 'scream' has not been established. In fact, it would stand to reason that the genesis of its location would be closer to the neighbors residence than to the Bobo's- which would further explain why CB did not hear it.

I'm somewhat sure that KB got up for work at her usual time; I think Holly was up and studying- and Holly said that she had been up since 4:30AM. I think KB also spoke to Holly and Drew after she left for work.



Does that make sense?

Jmvho of course!



Didn't the neighbor call kb because the scream came from the bobo home?
 
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Didn't the neighbor call kb because the scream came from the bobo home?

IIRC, that was reported at one point.
However- it seems to me that if it was reported by the neighbor north or south of the Bobo's residence (on Swan Johnson) then frankly, I don't see how it would be possible to determine that. :waitasec:
 
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I know this may seem unrelated- but this individual has been a concern for me since the morning that Holly was kidnapped:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/robert-william-fisher/view

I believe RWF also has ties to TN.

You have been saying this for a long time havent you?
didnt you find this way back in the beginning?

Anything is possible ya know and he sure sounds like a very bad man.
wish they would find him get him off our streets.
 
  • #337
I would think she screamed where her blood was found and why carry all her stuff arond with her makes no sense to me at all.

This case has boggled my brain!

I might have missed it so I'll ask. Have they ever determined whether the blood was fresh blood or old blood? Didn't someone say she was carrying a back pack or shoulder pack (accross the neck type) with all her things in it? That could account for her carrying them with her.
 
  • #338
I might have missed it so I'll ask. Have they ever determined whether the blood was fresh blood or old blood? Didn't someone say she was carrying a back pack or shoulder pack (accross the neck type) with all her things in it? That could account for her carrying them with her.

I would think its fresh cause her father said it was Hollys blood
 
  • #339
You have been saying this for a long time havent you?
didnt you find this way back in the beginning?

Anything is possible ya know and he sure sounds like a very bad man.
wish they would find him get him off our streets.

I have.
And I'm not ready to drop it just yet, lol.
 
  • #340
I have always felt that Holly did not scream while she was at her own house. The screams were not at the beginning of what happened, but towards the end.

That makes sense too... You wouldnt scream (describd as blood curdling screams, meaning more than one scream) and then quietly go back into your garage and then walk away with someone. But half a mile away from the house when the guy tries to do something... thats when she screams. The neighbor was also outside versus if Clint were far away and inside.
I had assumed that the scream happened later in the episode as well because it would explain why a neighbor heard a scream(s) but not CB. After the last couple of interviews with the Bobo family, I now believe the scream came from the Bobo home but it is debatable when the scream happened and here is why. KB says that when the secretary had come to tell her that a neighbor heard screams coming from "the house", I can only assume the neighbor had called KB because it came from her house, not the neighbors house. When KB was told of this, her motherly instinct told her that something was wrong. CB had said he talked with his mother in between seeing silhouettes and seeing HB walk away with camo man. Here is where it becomes confusing to figure out. If the neighbor called about screams before KB and CB had talked, before CB sees camo man and HB walking away, KB would already be concerned and would probably ask CB to see what he can figure out is happening. If the neighbor calls KB after she and CB had talked,
KB would already have a level of concern and hearing the neighbor call about screams from "the house" would be extremely concerning. The X factors in all of this is how quickly after hearing screams did the neighbor call to KB school and how quickly was KB able to learn that camo man was not DS.

1. CB was informed about screams coming from the house before he saw HB and camo man walking away- If this was the case then it is hard to believe CB did not try to at least see what was happening at his house. We do not have enough info on this to draw conclusions to this scenario, this part of the story is unclear.

2. CB sees them walking away and then his mother later tells him that a neighbor heard screams coming from the house- CB was fully aware of HB presence at home with who he assumed was DS at this point in time. In this scenario, CB is awake and HB and camo man are walking away, but somewhere around the Bobo home the neighbor can hear screams. Again, there is not enough info on this to draw a solid conclusion.

I see that several people are even questioning if a scream had ever occurred and that is valid IMO. Taking it at face value that a scream did occur, I would probably wager the scream happened after CB sighting of HB and camo man, but somewhere much much closer to the Bobo property than the neighbor property, and in this scenario CB is awake at this point. But without knowing the actions of the Bobo family after the initial call between CB and KB, there is no way to finish out a scenario without making big assumptions.
 
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