TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #27

[JeannieC]

Why would he take her back into the house? Unless he thought no one else was home. But it makes more sense to force her AWAY from the house, not into it, if she was already outside.
When Clint says he saw them in the garage, I am thinking he means the carport in back of the house, not the garage that was converted into a family room. It's possible that the door to that area has a small window in it, and he could have seen them that way. But if they were that close, he would have recognized that the guy was not her boyfriend and surely would have opened the door and confronted him, instead of calling his mother, unless he's a wimp and scared of his own shadow.
Everybody I know who has converted a garage into a room of some kind, no longer calls it a garage... it's part of their house, it's a room, not a garage. Yes, I know what people are saying, but that doesn't make sense to me, that he "saw them in the garage", if it's part of the house, and did nothing. IF they were inside this garage/room, Clint could have prevented him from taking Holly. One would think there would have been some object close by to use as a weapon. How many older brothers are going to stand back and allow their sister to be led into the woods by a stranger??
Not disputing your theory, just throwing out some ideas. This whole thing makes no sense, and it's frustrating!

One other thing. Why would CB think they were bent over looking at a turkey in the family room of the house. I believe they were in the carport.

 

[cluciano63]

Yes, I know, but my noggin is a bit dense eace:

Still wonder about that morning phone call though, may not be nothing, simply concern about Holly's upcoming tests.... on the other hand, if there was a good interviewer, lots of the little loose ends could tied up.. IMO

Did Mrs. Bobo ever actually say she spoke to Drew on the phone? Or just that she had spoken to him? Could it have been in person?

 

[JeannieC]

Did Mrs. Bobo ever actually say she spoke to Drew on the phone? Or just that she had spoken to him? Could it have been in person?

She spoke to him on the phone.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Reports about the searches were sort of frantic and scattered... I think several things happened

1) while looking for clues in a broad area, if something was found, say, to the East... then everyone moved over there to search with the assusmption that more evidence would be in that direction.

2) Some areas were not accessible. It was stated by the locals that posted here and Holly's family that some residents were not receptive to searches on their property so some areas were off limits

3) If LE was looking for a trail or had no idea where to look they fanned out and searched loosely over a broad area trying to pick up on something rather than doing a more intense, focused, search on a small area.

Carla,

Do you know if there were any road blocks of the few surrounding the area?

 

[Whisperer]

The 7:30 am is the time the 911 call was recorded and I believe that was according to LE. That time is on the TBI and FBI site. I'm not sure we have an exact time of the abduction either.

I have the 911 call at 7:59am. I thought that is what LE said. I will check. Sheriff Wyatt states the time on this tape @ about 4:28 on the feed.


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[Whisperer]

She spoke to him on the phone.

:seeya: I just read that KB spoke with Drew and Holly and her mom prior to leaving for work. She did not indicate how she talked to them...but she lumped them altogether in one sentence. I wonder and assume also she talked by phone but have to leave an opening that she may have seen Drew. This case is maddening.

 

[Whisperer]

Carla,

Do you know if there were any road blocks of the few surrounding the area?

There is an excellent map here at WS depicting all the searches and lots of other good stuff. For one to want to park in the carport, there would have to be a real good reason because that is a dirt road and inconvenient to say the least. When you consider there is plenty of room directly at the front door, why drive around the back?

In looking at the aerial photo, I pictured her going across that dirt road to the woods. They do not look very dense to me. I can't see directly to the North. Is North directly in back of the pool, if you are looking out a window? Or is it to the right?

One other question...since CB mentioned house dog, do they have another dog that isn't allowed in the house?

 

[Whisperer]

One other thing. Why would CB think they were bent over looking at a turkey in the family room of the house. I believe they were in the carport.

Turkey? LOL. I have no idea why Drew would come over to Holly's house at 7:00 or earlier to kill a turkey and bring it to her house. Again, I don't understand this lifestyle so.....

If CB assumed the guy was Drew, then it must not have been a surprise for CB to see Drew there at that hour. This brings me back to think that maybe KB saw Drew in the morning. He may have left before she did and that is why she knew it wasn't him at the house. She may not want to disclose this fact.

Regarding any screaming....if it was from the back, that even makes it more unlikely, the neighbors heard anything. A gunshot, yes, a scream...hmmm. So, if a person were hunting at that hour, then gunshot would be common out there....of course we have the property lines. I keep forgetting all this is private property. So if a neighbor hears a shot and knows the family is gone, do they call the police? Likewise with a scream. What is the rule of thumb out there in hunter's paradise?

 

[wishuwerehere]

There are a couple of events in this case I don’t want to assume:

1. I don’t want to assume Holly was originally encountered by her abductor outside and next to her vehicle. It is possible the abductor knocked on the front door and Holly let him into the house (because she knows him); maybe he said, “My car broke down, I need a ride.” Clint would not be privy to any of this because he was sleeping.

2. I don’t want to assume the neighbor heard Holly’s screams. It is possible that someone other than Holly screamed (or yelled, hollered, shrieked). Maybe the perp was screaming at Holly.

Food for thought. JMO.

 

[Whisperer]

Exactly wish. We tend to make assumptions based on the words of a witness. What he said may not be how he saw the crime come down. I am also not buying the scream/s. I will wait till the person who heard it comes out and tells the media. Fat chance of that, I suppose.

IF Holly was abducted from the back of the house, there is not a prayer's chance the perp didn't know her. How would he know what door she uses? I can't wrap my head on why she would drive to the back of the house, but I digress. When this case first broke, it was reported as a home invasion.

I think it is always good to make copies of first reports if you intend on following. LE changes people's exact words often. After they get some facts, they rearrange the story.

 

[Eileen730]

It's been posted a number of times, OldSteve.

Hi Bean!

I have QUESTION for you!

Was there an amber alert on Holly Bobo?

I thought you had to be under the age of 17.

 

[Whisperer]

According to the Sheriff, we have an established first 911 call coming in @ 7:59. He also confirmed that Drew was someplace at the time....which actually doesn't tell us much.

Approximately 8:00am, they get their first call. I can assume CB didn't give a time when he was wakened by the "House dog". That term sure leads one to think there was another dog/s at the house but no news on that.

So the Sheriff is also so the Pastor of the Church in Darden? There sure is a lot of religion going on down there. The Spokesman is also a pastor. Not being from a rural southern setting, I am completely lost of the culture there. I would think then the Church is the center of their universe and the people all know each other really, really well. They should have a fairly good idea of what happened. To say they have no idea would be mind boggling, considering the tightness of the group.

If they (the family) say they have no idea then the town and the LE are going to assume it is a stranger. Man, a stranger in this story makes no sense. Now, I have to go hunt down the blood flecks statement. BBL.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Well all we have to go on is Clint's statements. He said they were IN THE GARAGE and the GARAGE WAS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. So, I assume they were not outside in the car port. But yeah, it is confusing. But, Clint did say that live on TV and that is better than a 5th hand confused written account by a blogger somewhere.

I think the suspect surprised Holly out back. Came up behind her while she was at her car, or was outside the door and quickly shoo'ed her back inside. We don't know why they were in the garage but according to Clint they were inside of it. Plus Clint did differentiate between inside and outside when he said he heard voices OUTSIDE. And he was very clear about the garage being attached to the house. Since the sun was up at the time Clint saw "silhouettes" in the Garage, that makes me believe it was an interior room of some sort, and without lights or bright lights. He couldn't have been more than 20 feet away from them...

Addition:

Yes my point all along is that if Clint saw people in teh Garage why didnt he go look but instead he went back to some other part of the house and called his mom to ask her why someone was in the garage. That part does not make sense to me.

Why would he take her back into the house? Unless he thought no one else was home. But it makes more sense to force her AWAY from the house, not into it, if she was already outside.
When Clint says he saw them in the garage, I am thinking he means the carport in back of the house, not the garage that was converted into a family room. It's possible that the door to that area has a small window in it, and he could have seen them that way. But if they were that close, he would have recognized that the guy was not her boyfriend and surely would have opened the door and confronted him, instead of calling his mother, unless he's a wimp and scared of his own shadow.
Everybody I know who has converted a garage into a room of some kind, no longer calls it a garage... it's part of their house, it's a room, not a garage. Yes, I know what people are saying, but that doesn't make sense to me, that he "saw them in the garage", if it's part of the house, and did nothing. IF they were inside this garage/room, Clint could have prevented him from taking Holly. One would think there would have been some object close by to use as a weapon. How many older brothers are going to stand back and allow their sister to be led into the woods by a stranger??
Not disputing your theory, just throwing out some ideas. This whole thing makes no sense, and it's frustrating!

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Exactly wish. We tend to make assumptions based on the words of a witness. What he said may not be how he saw the crime come down. I am also not buying the scream/s. I will wait till the person who heard it comes out and tells the media. Fat chance of that, I suppose.

IF Holly was abducted from the back of the house, there is not a prayer's chance the perp didn't know her. How would he know what door she uses? I can't wrap my head on why she would drive to the back of the house, but I digress. When this case first broke, it was reported as a home invasion.

I think it is always good to make copies of first reports if you intend on following. LE changes people's exact words often. After they get some facts, they rearrange the story.

The neighbor who heard the screams did a brief interview four months ago... been posted here (somewhere).

Parking in the back is not unusual in the South and in houses with some land. I visit a friend often who has a long driveway that goes past the house and back around to the back. You park by the back door and go in the old fashioned kitchen area, which is screened in. The front of the house is up by the street and has a big old fashioned porch and front door, but no one ever goes in/out that door at all.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

There are a couple of events in this case I don’t want to assume:

1. I don’t want to assume Holly was originally encountered by her abductor outside and next to her vehicle. It is possible the abductor knocked on the front door and Holly let him into the house (because she knows him); maybe he said, “My car broke down, I need a ride.” Clint would not be privy to any of this because he was sleeping.

2. I don’t want to assume the neighbor heard Holly’s screams. It is possible that someone other than Holly screamed (or yelled, hollered, shrieked). Maybe the perp was screaming at Holly.

Food for thought. JMO.

Well you dont want to make wild assumptions, but to get anywhere in developing an idea of what happend you have to make assumptions based on a number of factors.

1) Evidence. Clint heard voices outside, then heard/saw silhouettes in his garage. You dont seem to be able to get into the garage from the front (there are no doors and there are photos of this part of the house). So they had to have been around back. Clint never mentioned anything about anyone coming in the front door. It seems perhaps the family uses the back door.

2) Looking at other cases to find similarities and differences

3) Human nature (people worldwide have common behavioral patterns)

4) Witnesses - while eyewitnesses can be wrong, they can also be real good. Unless there is a reason to discount a witness, some weight should be given to what they say.

In this case, the neighbor does not say she heard Holly scream. So implying that the neighbor did say it was Holly perpetuates some of the problems in figuring out what happened (or didnt). AFAIK the neighbor heard female "bloodcurdling screams" coming from the direction of Holly's house. Yes it could be another girl out in the woods screaming but how many girls would be out in the woods screaming compared to the one girl, Holly, we know was abducted at that same time. Seems unlikely that any other girl was in the area screaming. IMHO...

 

[wishuwerehere]

respectfully snipped:

So the Sheriff is also so the Pastor of the Church in Darden? There sure is a lot of religion going on down there. The Spokesman is also a pastor. Not being from a rural southern setting, I am completely lost of the culture there. I would think then the Church is the center of their universe and the people all know each other really, really well. They should have a fairly good idea of what happened. To say they have no idea would be mind boggling, considering the tightness of the group.

BBM

Except for us heathens.

 

[Eileen730]

Does anyone know about the amber alert?
Was there one?
If there was, why?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Does anyone know about the amber alert?
Was there one?
If there was, why?

Yes there was one and I think this was discussed (to death) a while ago. Its hard to search back through 25 threads full of posts though.

http://www.wbbjtv.com/younews/119774264.html

 

[Whisperer]

Well all we have to go on is Clint's statements. He said they were IN THE GARAGE and the GARAGE WAS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. So, I assume they were not outside in the car port. But yeah, it is confusing. But, Clint did say that live on TV and that is better than a 5th hand confused written account by a blogger somewhere.

I think the suspect surprised Holly out back. Came up behind her while she was at her car, or was outside the door and quickly shoo'ed her back inside. We don't know why they were in the garage but according to Clint they were inside of it. Plus Clint did differentiate between inside and outside when he said he heard voices OUTSIDE. And he was very clear about the garage being attached to the house. Since the sun was up at the time Clint saw "silhouettes" in the Garage, that makes me believe it was an interior room of some sort, and without lights or bright lights. He couldn't have been more than 20 feet away from them...

Addition:

Yes my point all along is that if Clint saw people in teh Garage why didnt he go look but instead he went back to some other part of the house and called his mom to ask her why someone was in the garage. That part does not make sense to me.

This jives with the home invasion theory that was first broadcast about the case.

My problem of perception is the silhouettes. To have them there has to be back lighting. That is what made me believe the two were in enclosed area (like DB says) DB would have to be in a dim lit area and the two would have to have lighting for him to see silhouettes. There would have to be a curtain or screen with light to see silhouettes/shadows.

I have found the info on blood flecks and it originated with CB. He said he observed blood flecks on the lawn....driveway was thrown around too. It was said by locals that TBI wants nothing said about the case; when asked they are to give as little info as possible.

This may account for the dysfunction of the wording of what took place...don't know. We have two pastors now. One is the Spokesman and One is the Sheriff. The Spokesman gives the media nothing. The Sheriff very little. I suspect these two are best buddies and we will get nothing. They are talking between themselves all about the case and are the driving force on what the family says. That accounts for the removal of Dana on the show. He was replaced by the ...em...Spokesperson. He assigned himself this position in the family and, in my opinion, is taking total control.

This case is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Whisperer]

Anyone know if there is a sliding glass door on the deck in the back. I have tried my hardest to see but in each photo, the d#$#m (news affiliate) banner is covering the back wall. My guess would be there is a sliding glass door. If so, that would give a better view than the small windows.