TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #28

[cluciano63]

Yes and Kyron's case boasted over 3000 tips at one point...for what it's worth. I never put any faith in numbers of tips...what is the difference, if the person is still missing, months or years later? To me, the higher the profile of the case, the more people want "in" on the action and will call in some nonsense, however well-meaning they may be.

 

[sumzero]

“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning. And of course Clint didn't know any of this, so I knew her boyfriend wasn't here,” Karen Bobo said.
http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly...-she-vanished-20110722,0,6800717.story?page=2


Maybe Karen Bobo “knew her boyfriend wasn’t here” because Holly was not home the night before.

What I find interesting is that Karen Bobo never states she actually SAW Holly that morning. So she could have just as easily spoken to Holly on the phone, as she may have spoken to Drew on the phone that unfortunate morning.

The reason why Clint may not have known who was outside of the house, was because Holly may not have slept at home the night before. Maybe she came home that morning only to get her lunch, and was followed by the perp.

The MAIN question still remains: Who was the last person to see Holly before the morning of April 13th?

One of the bigger mysteries in this case is the timeline of calls between people connected to Holly.

JMO

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/2...pearance-Every-second-without-Holly-too-long-

Karen mentions that she shut Clint's bedroom door since Holly had risen early to study for an important test. (I presume this means that Holly would have turned on the lights, perhaps made some noise moving about the house, etc.) Though she doesn't explicitly say, "I saw Holly," IMO it's safe to assume that she did.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

“I had spoken with Holly, my mother and her boyfriend, all that morning. And of course Clint didn't know any of this, so I knew her boyfriend wasn't here,” Karen Bobo said.
http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holly...-she-vanished-20110722,0,6800717.story?page=2


Maybe Karen Bobo “knew her boyfriend wasn’t here” because Holly was not home the night before.

What I find interesting is that Karen Bobo never states she actually SAW Holly that morning. So she could have just as easily spoken to Holly on the phone, as she may have spoken to Drew on the phone that unfortunate morning.

The reason why Clint may not have known who was outside of the house, was because Holly may not have slept at home the night before. Maybe she came home that morning only to get her lunch, and was followed by the perp.

The MAIN question still remains: Who was the last person to see Holly before the morning of April 13th?

One of the bigger mysteries in this case is the timeline of calls between people connected to Holly.

JMO

Karen has said in one of the recent interviews she saw Holly that morning. Actually saw.

 

[cluciano63]

Karen has said in one of the recent interviews she saw Holly that morning. Actually saw.

What about Drew? Did she say she spoke to him on the phone?

 

[Advocate1]

I am very sorry if I caused a problem. I guess I wasn't clear on the specifics of the forum rules. I have read here for some time but am not to familiar with forums. I see that it can be frustrating if you have some knowledge of the things that would not be reported by LE. I do understand the problem with rumors in this case and others though. It is for the better of the thread but personally frustrating IMO.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Karen has said in one of the recent interviews she saw Holly that morning. Actually saw.

I never thought Karen said she "saw" Holly---could you please direct me to that interview. TIA

 

[wishuwerehere]

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/2...pearance-Every-second-without-Holly-too-long-

Karen mentions that she shut Clint's bedroom door since Holly had risen early to study for an important test. (I presume this means that Holly would have turned on the lights, perhaps made some noise moving about the house, etc.) Though she doesn't explicitly say, "I saw Holly," IMO it's safe to assume that she did.

BBM

No, it's not safe to assume or presume anything in this case.

What is being left out of the statements are where the clues can be found. IMO.

 

[TxLady2]

BBM

No, it's not safe to assume or presume anything in this case.

What is being left out of the statements are where the clues can be found. IMO.

If the mom said Holly got up early to study, wouldn't that pretty much imply that she was at home, without her mom having to say she actually saw her?

Besides, she was kidnapped from her home, not somewhere else. It's just as risky to speculate that she was out all night or spent the night with her boyfriend, just to make it fit the theory. Assuming something because it is implied is one thing, speculating things that have never even been hinted at in any statement is quite another.

I don't know the Bobo family, but it's possible that they are like many other Southern families, still a little old-fashioned and straight-laced, not as liberal as people in other parts of the country. I doubt if they would approve of Holly being out all night or staying over at her boyfriend's, especially if her tuition and bills from nursing school were being paid by her parents. It's kind of like, "you may be an adult but as long as you live in my house and I'm paying the bills, you follow the rules." If I had a daughter that age who lived with me and I was supporting through school, she wouldn't be dropping by the next morning after being out all night, just to grab her lunch I had fixed her, that's for sure. Just saying.

 

[wfgodot]

If the mom said Holly got up early to study, wouldn't that pretty much imply that she was at home, without her mom having to say she actually saw her?

Besides, she was kidnapped from her home, not somewhere else. It's just as risky to speculate that she was out all night or spent the night with her boyfriend, just to make it fit the theory. Assuming something because it is implied is one thing, speculating things that have never even been hinted at in any statement is quite another.

I don't know the Bobo family, but it's possible that they are like many other Southern families, still a little old-fashioned and straight-laced, not as liberal as people in other parts of the country. I doubt if they would approve of Holly being out all night or staying over at her boyfriend's, especially if her tuition and bills from nursing school were being paid by her parents. It's kind of like, "you may be an adult but as long as you live in my house and I'm paying the bills, you follow the rules." If I had a daughter that age who lived with me and I was supporting through school, she wouldn't be dropping by the next morning after being out all night, just to grab her lunch I had fixed her, that's for sure. Just saying.

bbm

I agree with this but will take a bit of issue with the bolded sentence in that speculation - thinking outside the box - can be crucial in sleuthing a case where all the facts are not, and may never be, for whatever reason, known.

 

[~n/t~]

April 14, 2011

Police say no home invasion when Holly Bobo was abducted, dragged into woods.

John Mayer, spokesman for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation (TBI) told ABCNews.com that “the suspect was never inside.”

It was initially reported that Holly’s brother watched as she was being dragged away from their carport and into the woods. Thursday police say Holly’s mother also witnessed the abduction.

Investigators would not comment if Holly’s family members tried to intervene or if they were suspected in the abduction

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...en-holly-bobo-was-abducted-dragged-into-woods


April 15, 2011

Breaking News: Holly Bobo's cell phone, camouflage clothes found in car

UPDATE: Police say the report that Holly's cell phone and camouflage clothing were found in a car was incorrect, ABC News reports Friday afternoon. Later, MSNBC reported that the items were found in the car.

Police say they believe Holly, likely in fear for her life, followed her abductor into the woods and was not dragged as initially believed.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...obo-s-cell-phone-camouflage-clothes-found-car


April 18, 2011

Holly Bobo case: Brother and boyfriend not ruled out

Law enforcement found personal items of Holly Bobo discarded 8 miles from her home. This at lease gives law enforcement a sense of direction on where the abductor went with Bobo, unless they items were placed there to throw law enforcement off.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/holly-bobo-case-brother-boyfriend-not-ruled-out

April 19, 2011

Holly Bobo underwater search underway

Residents of the community are also being interviewed. This as blood and items suspected to be that of Holly Bobo, that were discovered are undergoing DNA testing.

Investigators believe the abductor of Bobo lived in the area, or was familiar with the area and knew Bobo and her family.

Break

 

[sumzero]

BBM

No, it's not safe to assume or presume anything in this case.

What is being left out of the statements are where the clues can be found. IMO.

Under the circumstances (i.e., not being able to sit down and speak with the Bobos), I have no problem with making some safe, limited assumptions. Holly and her mother had a close relationship; I have seen nothing to indicate otherwise. Holly was a good, conscientious student, according to the news article. Holly had an important test that morning, according to her mother. Holly had risen at 4:30 a.m. to study for the test, according to her mother. Her mother at some point closed Clint's bedroom door. Her mother closed it specifically to allow him to sleep, since Holly had risen early to study for the test. Her mother packed Holly's lunch. Her mother said she spoke with her daughter that morning. I think it's safe to assume that Holly spent the night at her home. I think it's safe to assume that Karen Bobo saw Holly at home before she left for work. Will specific facts be revealed to indicate otherwise? It's possible. But until that happens, I plan to use common sense and make these limited assumptions. But that's just me.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

If the mom said Holly got up early to study, wouldn't that pretty much imply that she was at home, without her mom having to say she actually saw her?

Besides, she was kidnapped from her home, not somewhere else. It's just as risky to speculate that she was out all night or spent the night with her boyfriend, just to make it fit the theory. Assuming something because it is implied is one thing, speculating things that have never even been hinted at in any statement is quite another.

I don't know the Bobo family, but it's possible that they are like many other Southern families, still a little old-fashioned and straight-laced, not as liberal as people in other parts of the country. I doubt if they would approve of Holly being out all night or staying over at her boyfriend's, especially if her tuition and bills from nursing school were being paid by her parents. It's kind of like, "you may be an adult but as long as you live in my house and I'm paying the bills, you follow the rules." If I had a daughter that age who lived with me and I was supporting through school, she wouldn't be dropping by the next morning after being out all night, just to grab her lunch I had fixed her, that's for sure. Just sayin]

Hi TxLady,

The question as to "who" actually saw Holly last, and what time that was has never really been answered. Carla was the closest to a statement of fact with the interview she referred to that stated she was "actually seen" early that morning by Karen.

I can only speak for myself when I say I never wanted to know that because I believed she was with her boyfriend Drew. However I did think it might be important for timeline purposes.

Example: If the last person to see Holly was her Dad when she went to bed at say11Pm . No one saw Holly after that, only ASSUMED she was home in her room, well what would that say about a timeline for her abduction. She could have been taken any time after 11pm, right? Now of course that is if, like me, you were to believe that there is some concern about the consistency of witness statements for the 7:30 sighting the morning of the 12

That is why I ask Carla for reference to that particular interview.
Frankly I don't understand why there has been no definitive answer to that question. It's a simple question why do they talk in riddles, so we have to ASSUME what they mean.

IMOO---When you are lucky enough to have a witness--their account should be the same account every time it is told . It should not be like pulling teeth.
:twocents:

 

[cluciano63]

April 14, 2011


http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...en-holly-bobo-was-abducted-dragged-into-woods


April 15, 2011



http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...obo-s-cell-phone-camouflage-clothes-found-car


April 18, 2011



http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/holly-bobo-case-brother-boyfriend-not-ruled-out

April 19, 2011



Break

We generally are not able to use the examiner as a source at WS and I can see why...

 

[Carla Lashelle]

What about Drew? Did she say she spoke to him on the phone?

No because she was not talking about events after Holly vanished... just that she was up, talked to Holly about the upcoming test, pushed Clint's bedroom door closed, etc. before she went to work.

 

[wishuwerehere]

I didn’t mean to upset anyone’s sensibilities regarding my theory of Holly spending the night away from home the night before her abduction, but we’re not talking about 1950’s Mayberry. From what I’ve read and heard about Holly, she is a responsible and conscientious young woman. It sounds like her parents trusted her. So why wouldn’t they approve of her spending the night with her boyfriend?

Also, Drew’s grandmother stated a couple of days after Holly went missing, “it was the first night Drew and Holly spent apart.” If she’s talking about SINCE Holly went missing, wouldn’t that mean Drew and Holly spent the night together before the morning of her abduction?

And I think it’s important to the case to find out if Holly’s mom actually SAW Holly the morning of the abduction. Don't mean to pick nits, but I believe it would establish a real timeline.

JMO

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Without dragging back through 5 months of articles and interviews, I think a number of things can be generally assumed to be true unless some obvious ACTUAL contradiction can be found.

Its been attributed to Karen in various written interviews that she 1) saw Holly that morning 2) spoke to Holly that morning, 3) Holly got up at 4:30 to study 4) Holly said she was optimistic about her exam, 5) Karen closed Clint's bedroom door (I assume so Holly didnt disturb him) etc. It seems obvious Holly was AT HOME. Plus in general conversations when someone is talking about a family member it seems natural just to say I talked to...

I don't think Holly was kidnapped at, say, 11:30 PM becuase the screams, dog barking, voices, people in the garage, 911 calls all are somewhere around 7:30 AM- 8:00 AM. If Holly had this big test (which she did) and Holly was studious (as everyone says) then why would she NOT be home?

Im not sure that trying to create an idea about what happened that does not fit what little evidence we do have is productive.

 

[Advocate1]

I completely agree.

BBM

No, it's not safe to assume or presume anything in this case.

What is being left out of the statements are where the clues can be found. IMO.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I didn’t mean to upset anyone’s sensibilities regarding my theory of Holly spending the night away from home the night before her abduction, but we’re not talking about 1950’s Mayberry. From what I’ve read and heard about Holly, she is a responsible and conscientious young woman. It sounds like her parents trusted her. So why wouldn’t they approve of her spending the night with her boyfriend?

Also, Drew’s grandmother stated a couple of days after Holly went missing, “it was the first night Drew and Holly spent apart.” If she’s talking about SINCE Holly went missing, wouldn’t that mean Drew and Holly spent the night together before the morning of her abduction?

And I think it’s important to the case to find out if Holly’s mom actually SAW Holly the morning of the abduction. Don't mean to pick nits, but I believe it would establish a real timeline.




JMO

Its not nit picking but I think its reading too much into every little and often vague statement.

Yes Drew's grandmother was talking about the nite of Holly's abduction. But being together "at night" or spending time together does not mean Holly was at Drew's house.

There are enough statemnts from Karen to lead me to believe Holly was at home. Actually, to me, its obvious. But thats just me.

 

[nosyone]

In an August 5th interview the following question was asked of CB:


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you see the turkey? Or there was no turkey.

C. BOBO: No, it was gone.


This has bothered me since I read it, he acts as though there really was a turkey. The interviewer had asked him about the "people kneeling" in the garage and he said that he thought it was D and H sitting talking over a turkey that Drew had hunted and killed. Even though he now knows the full story, he says "no, it was gone".

 

[wishuwerehere]

Without dragging back through 5 months of articles and interviews, I think a number of things can be generally assumed to be true unless some obvious ACTUAL contradiction can be found.

Its been attributed to Karen in various written interviews that she 1) saw Holly that morning 2) spoke to Holly that morning, 3) Holly got up at 4:30 to study 4) Holly said she was optimistic about her exam, 5) Karen closed Clint's bedroom door (I assume so Holly didnt disturb him) etc. It seems obvious Holly was AT HOME. Plus in general conversations when someone is talking about a family member it seems natural just to say I talked to...

I don't think Holly was kidnapped at, say, 11:30 PM becuase the screams, dog barking, voices, people in the garage, 911 calls all are somewhere around 7:30 AM- 8:00 AM. If Holly had this big test (which she did) and Holly was studious (as everyone says) then why would she NOT be home?

Im not sure that trying to create an idea about what happened that does not fit what little evidence we do have is productive.

Thanks for your input Carla.

But until I hear Karen Bobo say she SAW Holly that morning, I'm not going to assume she did. (I'm not saying she didn't see her, BUT I find it odd that she hasn't come out and said "I SAW HOLLY THAT MORNING.")

KB also stated she talked to Drew and her mother that morning. Do you automatically assume she saw them?