TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #28

[~n/t~]

Does it sound logical that a trucker would have spotted Holly, took the time to find out where she lives, stalked and kidnapped her, did whatever he intended to do and then disposed of her body somewhere? Most truckers I know don't have the time to do all that during a break, their main concern is getting a decent meal, taking a shower, changing clothes and sleeping. Maybe picking up a lot lizard for a little horizontal recreation. And if there is a trucker who likes to rape and murder young women, he isn't going to go to that much trouble to get one, he is going to pick one up from a truck stop or a rest stop somewhere, not go tromping through the woods to one's house and risk being seen. I think the chances of it being a random trucker who is also a stalker/murderer are pretty slim.

Unless he's a local trucker? :waitasec:

 

[OldSteve]

Does it sound logical that a trucker would have spotted Holly, took the time to find out where she lives, stalked and kidnapped her, did whatever he intended to do and then disposed of her body somewhere? Most truckers I know don't have the time to do all that during a break, their main concern is getting a decent meal, taking a shower, changing clothes and sleeping. Maybe picking up a lot lizard for a little horizontal recreation. And if there is a trucker who likes to rape and murder young women, he isn't going to go to that much trouble to get one, he is going to pick one up from a truck stop or a rest stop somewhere, not go tromping through the woods to one's house and risk being seen. I think the chances of it being a random trucker who is also a stalker/murderer are pretty slim.

Well stated! I agree. Now if the Bobo's lived on a major road that truck routes used, I would think differently.
My gut feeling is the perp is local and simply has been missed by LE, or has given an alibi that wasn't checked out enough.

 

[wishuwerehere]

This may have already been asked, and if so I apologize, but please provide an answer if you know.

IIRC CB said when he looked out to the garage/carport he could see two silhouettes but could not make out who they were, that’s why he called his mom. My question is this: Wasn’t Holly’s vehicle parked in the carport and wouldn’t CB be able to at least identify her car parked there?

If YOU couldn’t identify who was standing outside of your house, wouldn’t you at least look to see whose cars are parked around the house?

 

[JeannieC]

For this case, I'm sticking to the KISS principle. It would not surprise me in the least if the perp is someone close to the family.

I even researched Amy Patterson's ex husband who is on the run after he allegedly murdered her. Her case was featured on NG the other night and it was mentioned that he had been spotted in various States including TN. But when I factored in the timeline, it didn't add up.

CB's actions, whether we want to admit it or not, are strange. Calling mom is one that keeps bothering me and I wish there was a good explanation as to why he did it but I don't think we'll ever know the truth. IMO, there is a lot of secrecy. Someone is being protected and perhaps it is not because the person is involved but it does leave people with a lot of questions. The most obvious (and I hate sounding like a broken record) is if he admitted that he thought the persons in the garage were Holly and BF looking over a turkey, then why did he just not go out there and ask "hey what's up?"....especially now that we know he used to go four wheeling with Holly and her bf. They seemed to be a very close family but then again, we just never know what takes place behind closed doors.

Could very easily be a delivery person. I wonder if their are any delivery people going around or past the Hobo home on a regular basis. Newspaper, circulars, feed stores, etc?

 

[~n/t~]

This may have already been asked, and if so I apologize, but please provide an answer if you know.

IIRC CB said when he looked out to the garage/carport he could see two silhouettes but could not make out who they were, that’s why he called his mom. My question is this: Wasn’t Holly’s vehicle parked in the carport and wouldn’t CB be able to at least identify her car parked there?

If YOU couldn’t identify who was standing outside of your house, wouldn’t you at least look to see whose cars are parked around the house?

That's not entirely correct. He saw 2 silhouettes who he thought were Holly and her BF. AND yes original reports were that Holly's car was parked in the carport so.......again why this clouded mystery from the family? It sounds to me like it was a no brainer. At least one of the two was Holly. Furthermore, he alleges to have seen them (Holly and the alleged perp) walk towards the woods and IIRC, he was quite descriptive as to where they were headed and what he saw in the carport/garage. That's a heck of a lot of time observing and doing nothing except call mom. It would've taken him less time to put on a pair of shorts and go check it out himself.

 

[wishuwerehere]

That's not entirely correct. He saw 2 silhouettes who he thought were Holly and her BF. AND yes original reports were that Holly's car was parked in the carport so.......again why this clouded mystery from the family? It sounds to me like it was a no brainer. At least one of the two was Holly. Furthermore, he alleges to have seen them (Holly and the alleged perp) walk towards the woods and IIRC, he was quite descriptive as to where they were headed and what he saw in the carport/garage. That's a heck of a lot of time observing and doing nothing except call mom. It would've taken him less time to put on a pair of shorts and go check it out himself.

I thought CB stated that he realized it was Holly and her boyfried AFTER he spoke to his mom on the phone. I'm paraphrasing here, "Mom told me Holly should be in school; that's when I realized it was Holly in the garage."

I could be wrong. Won't be the first. :crazy:

 

[~n/t~]

Could very easily be a delivery person. I wonder if their are any delivery people going around or past the Hobo home on a regular basis. Newspaper, circulars, feed stores, etc?

Ya it could be anyone. Pick your choice. Maybe even the neighbour`s son who heard the screams. I guess my point is the list could be endless but we must not ignore the facts. Time for LE to start from the beginning. They thought they had this solved. Wrong.

Releasing a photo of Holly without makeup (when we can definitely see she is wearing makeup in the photo) just won`t cut it.

Bring in TES.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

This may have already been asked, and if so I apologize, but please provide an answer if you know.

IIRC CB said when he looked out to the garage/carport he could see two silhouettes but could not make out who they were, that’s why he called his mom. My question is this: Wasn’t Holly’s vehicle parked in the carport and wouldn’t CB be able to at least identify her car parked there?

If YOU couldn’t identify who was standing outside of your house, wouldn’t you at least look to see whose cars are parked around the house?

wishuwerehere,

Well i guess it depends on that OLD sayin : It depends on what your definition of carport is? It also depends on which version of that morning you are working with.


I think WS has determined the "carport" is not the same as "garage". So Holly's car was parked on the carport, and Clint's car was in the garage.
Since I seem to be of the opinion Neither "account" is solid, I wouldn't know where to begin to answer that question. I will say-your question was one of the MANY I also tried to understand, thus the "giving up" of both versions. LOL! Sorry of no help, but the "why's" outweigh everything.:waitasec:

 

[~n/t~]

I thought CB stated that he realized it was Holly and her boyfried AFTER he spoke to his mom on the phone. I'm paraphrasing here, "Mom told me Holly should be in school; that's when I realized it was Holly in the garage."

I could be wrong. Won't be the first. :crazy:

That`s version 726. Note in this version, KB doesn`t say who called who.

Karen said she was in her school's cafeteria when she got the message that a neighbor's son had heard screams coming from their home.

"I think at that point I knew something was wrong because I knew Holly had a test, a big test, that day," she said. "And at the time she came and told me that, Holly should've already been gone to school."

Karen said Clint, who was at home asleep at the time, did not hear screams.

"Well, when I spoke to Clint, and he asked me did Holly not have school today because her car was still here, then I really knew something," Karen said.

He also asked his mom if Holly was going hunting with her boyfriend. Karen said no and that her daughter should have already been at school because she had a test.

Karen panicked, making two calls to the police as she made her way home and informed her husband, who also rushed home from work.

She said when her son realized what had happened, he also called the police.

http://www.therepublic.com/mobile/view/story/4c09f19a56bc44da8dbbf24602b22cc7/


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Clint, it was about 7:30 in the morning. Where were you? What vantage point and what did you see?

C. BOBO: I was asleep in my bedroom and I was awoken by the sounds of our house dog barking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did you see?

C. BOBO: I saw the silhouette of two people in our garage. At the time I had no idea who either one of the people were. And then come to realize later that that was my sister and her abductor.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, in the garage?

You were -- how do you -- when you`re asleep -- I`m just trying to get a picture. You`re asleep and then how do you see what`s going on in the garage? Ok, the dog barks, you wake up. Are you on the same level -- it`s all one floor.

C. BOBO: Right. Yes, we have a one story house?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you walk into the garage?

C. BOBO: No, I saw them from inside the house and they were outside the house in the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They were in the garage or outside the garage?

C. BOBO: They were inside the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok so as you watched, it was a man inside the garage with your sister and then what happens?

C. BOBO: And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning and realized that that must have been her at the house and then I looked back out and saw Holly and a male walking towards the woods and that`s the last time I saw her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, now, ok, is the garage attached to the house or is it a separate, detached garage?

C. BOBO: It`s attached to the house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It is attached to the house.

C. BOBO: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re saying you were able to call your mom before they left the garage and after you called your mom you see them walking towards the woods?

C. BOBO: Right. And I told my mom that once I realized it was Holly, I said well, Holly and Drew which is her boyfriend were out in the garage talking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So where did you find the blood?

C. BOBO: It was in the garage, under where I saw the silhouette of them kneeled down in the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: When you saw them kneeling down did you think to ask them or approach them? How far away were you?

C. BOBO: No, I assumed -- I was inside the house and I assumed that that was Holly and her boyfriend Drew and he was dressed in full camouflage so I thought that Drew had been to the woods and killed a turkey and brought it back to the house and the two were sitting there over the turkey talking. After I saw the blood, I thought that was blood of a turkey that Drew had killed.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you see the turkey? Or there was no turkey.

C. BOBO: No, it was gone.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you thought they had done that when you initially saw them, but you hadn`t seen the blood yet?

C. BOBO: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So --

C. BOBO: Didn`t see it until later.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. All right. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigations said something very interesting. They say the person responsible for her disappearance lives in the area. They believe this person lives in the community, and it`s a very small community, only 2,500 people. Listen to this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

Bolded by me.

 

[wishuwerehere]

So if CB could see Holly's car in the carport, why did he need to call his mom? :banghead: With a little initiative, CB could have easily figured out who was in the garage in a matter of seconds.

 

[Plumeria5]

It is 7:30 am give or take. It's light outside. Do I have this right? There is no door on the garage? Which way does the garage face? Wouldn't it be light enough in the garage to recognize his own sister??

 

[~n/t~]

Interesting to note that even after he saw Holly and the perp walk into the woods, after his mom confirmed it was Holly and she should`ve been in school, he sees the blood and he still believes it was the blood from the turkey Drew had killed.

Makes no sense. See....there is something not adding up and this family is covering up. Why and who remain a big mystery.

 

[wishuwerehere]

Plumeria: I'm beginning to think the controversy does not lie with whether or not he recognized his sister, BUT who his sister was with. He named the suspect. IMO, this is the only part of Clint's testimony that has changed.

The controversy lies with the boyfriend.

JMO

 

[Plumeria5]

Interesting to note that even after he saw Holly and the perp walk into the woods, after his mom confirmed it was Holly and she should`ve been in school, he sees the blood and he still believes it was the blood from the turkey Drew had killed.

Makes no sense. See....there is something not adding up and this family is covering up. Why and who remain a big mystery.

Is Holly in the habit of enjoying seeing a dead animal? I don't know if she has hunted before but if you have seen a dead turkey before is there some novelty in seeing another?? Just asking...cause I don't like hunting and she seems to like girly things, make-up, cute clothes...etc.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Ya it could be anyone. Pick your choice. Maybe even the neighbour`s son who heard the screams. I guess my point is the list could be endless but we must not ignore the facts. Time for LE to start from the beginning. They thought they had this solved. Wrong.

Releasing a photo of Holly without makeup (when we can definitely see she is wearing makeup in the photo) just won`t cut it.

Bring in TES.

I am going to go out on a limb here. Been reading so many different theory's on this case and have come across a very interesting one. Here goes:

SOME seem to state that the flaw in this crime was "Clint being home". So the person/persons knew the family well enough to know that Clint
wasn't supposed to be home. That was confirmed by their not seeing his car in the carport--it was unseen in the garage.

Since he was home it played out very differently then the person/persons wanted, even to the point of Clint coming to the defense of his sister, leading that person/persons to use Clint's safety as a tool to make Holly compliant with demands.
So person/person's escape with Holly...and the account of what happens becomes VERY vague as to not jeopardize Holly's safety. Thus the no Road blocks, no immediate search in the woods at the time. There is a Theory that this is some screw up ( with an influential family)who is plain TROUBLE.
The rest has many variations but in this theory they did retrieve the cell phone--what was on that cell phone gave New hope to the Bobo's, but also was the reason the searches were re-directed.
Not sure where that theory stands now. They may just be trying to find where the person/persons have Holly, and still believe she is safe. All of this is why the Bobo family is in fear, and cannot say too much. The one good thing is the family does seem to being kept abreast of every aspect of the case
As I said this is one of MANY theory's. So it may be nothing more than that.


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[wishuwerehere]

It would make sense for Clint to call his mom if Holly was in the carport arguing with her boyfriend.

And it would make sense for him not getting involved.

 

[~n/t~]

It would make sense for Clint to call his mom if Holly was in the carport arguing with her boyfriend.

No mention of hearing arguing. He thought they were looking at a dead turkey.

 

[wishuwerehere]

No mention of hearing arguing. He thought they were looking at a dead turkey.

No, BUT Clint did say he heard "voices" and one of them sounded "younger".

AND originally, Clint said he saw Holly walking with her boyfriend into the woods. Not until later, when his mom and others told him he was wrong, did he change the description of the perp.

I keep coming back to Clint's original statement. Call me crazy.

 

[~n/t~]

I am going to go out on a limb here. Been reading so many different theory's on this case and have come across a very interesting one. Here goes:

SOME seem to state that the flaw in this crime was "Clint being home". So the person/persons knew the family well enough to know that Clint
wasn't supposed to be home. That was confirmed by their not seeing his car in the carport--it was unseen in the garage.

Since he was home it played out very differently then the person/persons wanted, even to the point of Clint coming to the defense of his sister, leading that person/persons to use Clint's safety as a tool to make Holly compliant with demands.
So person/person's escape with Holly...and the account of what happens becomes VERY vague as to not jeopardize Holly's safety. Thus the no Road blocks, no immediate search in the woods at the time. There is a Theory that this is some screw up ( with an influential family)who is plain TROUBLE.
The rest has many variations but in this theory they did retrieve the cell phone--what was on that cell phone gave New hope to the Bobo's, but also was the reason the searches were re-directed.
Not sure where that theory stands now. They may just be trying to find where the person/persons have Holly, and still believe she is safe. All of this is why the Bobo family is in fear, and cannot say too much. The one good thing is the family does seem to being kept abreast of every aspect of the case
As I said this is one of MANY theory's. So it may be nothing more than that.


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Trying to understand your theory. So are you suggesting the perp knew CB wasn`t supposed to be home but then realized he was and used that so Holly would be compliant. If that`s the case then wouldn`t the perp be a heck of a lot quicker in taking Holly into the woods to his car instead of wasting time in the carport.

 

[~n/t~]

Another big mystery is the screaming heard by the neighbour`s son coming from the Bobo home. CB didn`t hear the scream but heard the dog barking inside the house and that`s what woke him.

So did the perp duct tape her mouth at some point in the carport. If so, whose voices did CB hear....