TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #28

[Karen Anne RN]

But that begs the question, if he thinks he sees Holly and Drew examing a dead turkey (excuse me while I gag ) then why call his mother? I'd just go back to bed...
Or, once again, did he not call his mother, and she called him first instead? I am still unclear on this. When he first spoke to Mom, had Holly already been "led" and/or "walked alongside camo-man" into the woods? Had everything already happened and she was already gone before he and his mother spoke?

In a link further back, I read that Karen used her friend's cell phone to call home while they were driving there.

I think it was in the same article they said that someone went to the lunch room to tell her that Clint had called. So maybe both are right. Maybe he called her, and left a message, and she called him back, in the car on their way to the house.

I have never thought that anyone in the family is involved in her disappearance. When I watch the three of them on camera, I see people who are deeply in shock, and beyond grief striken. And even possibly under the care of a physician, and suitably medicated.

All MOO ~~~

 

[SmoothOperator]

I can attest that the recent murder victim, Summer Inman, murdered by her estranged husband AND HER MOTHER-IN-LAW AND FATHER-IN-LAW!!(the estranged husbands parents!!).. Whom they and their young children had lived with throughout their marriage.. The father an actual preacher!! And her poor remains disposed of by these three were found on the church property in the septic system!!

 

[Salem]

Please stop bickering about septic tanks. Typically, septic tanks are installed according to the jurisdiction's standards and they are different across the country.

Not worth fighting over.

Salem

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Or, once again, did he not call his mother, and she called him first instead? I am still unclear on this. When he first spoke to Mom, had Holly already been "led" and/or "walked alongside camo-man" into the woods? Had everything already happened and she was already gone before he and his mother spoke?

(respectfully snipped)

I just remembered, in the first day or two when this happened, I read news reports that said that Clint had heard voices arguing. The way it was explained, this happened in the first set of events. It makes perfect sense to me.

I never saw mention of it afterwards, and it may have been omitted on purpose. I honestly believe that the whole thing has been downplayed by investigators for a reason.
Moo ~~~

 

[JeannieC]

Please stop bickering about septic tanks. Typically, septic tanks are installed according to the jurisdiction's standards and they are different across the country.

Not worth fighting over.

Salem

No one's fighting. Just discussing and if some are open it is relevant. If the Bobos had a septic with an opening it would be a place to search. imo

The question of an open septic also brought to mind the possibility of an opening to a well. There are many of those all over the US. Old and abandoned wells. If the Bobo residence is on or near old farms a well would be another place to search. Some of the well "tops" are now missing and it would be easy to fall in or drop someone into the well.

 

[Advocate1]

You don't like turkey?
I am not clear on the call to Mom either. IMO The situation doesn't go to well if Clint called Karen first. Why would he call her? So she could say "Idk look outside?" I don't think Clint called her first at all. I think he DID get woken up by the dogs and looked outside and say people bent over in the garage and chalked it up Drew hunting and went about his business and at some point he saw them walking towards the woods and that confirmed his thought since guy was in camo and they weren't struggling. Karen called after hearing from the neighbor and knowing where Holly and Drew were to be at and Clint told her he saw her walking with Drew and Karen said "it wasn't Drew" and everyone paniked and Clint went out and saw the blood and pop can and whatever else and called Karen back and told her about seeing them in the garage and hearing them and the dogs waking him but he didn't think or see Holly was in danger. The way it was explained was out of sequence in my opinion. I also think Clint went looking for her and everyone called her phone tons.

But that begs the question, if he thinks he sees Holly and Drew examing a dead turkey (excuse me while I gag ) then why call his mother? I'd just go back to bed...
Or, once again, did he not call his mother, and she called him first instead? I am still unclear on this. When he first spoke to Mom, had Holly already been "led" and/or "walked alongside camo-man" into the woods? Had everything already happened and she was already gone before he and his mother spoke?

 

[~n/t~]

So if Clint lived at home and it was not unusual for him to be there in the mornings...why is LE so sure this was done by a local? Just because he managed to get away?

Also, maybe the person, if he knew Holly, did not come with the intention of taking her. Since they were apparently there for some time in the carport/garage, maybe something developed into a situation while he was there? Maybe he came to talk to her and something else happened?

My understanding is they concluded it was someone local based on where the house is located. Isolated, rural, off the main road, wooded, etc. It would have to be someone who knew how to get there by going through the woods and the perp wearing camouflage lead them to believe he may have been a hunter. It was turkey hunting season, afterall. The perp must've known that, right?

:banghead:

 

[Frogzilla]

My understanding is they concluded it was someone local based on where the house is located. Isolated, rural, off the main road, wooded, etc. It would have to be someone who knew how to get there by going through the woods and the perp wearing camouflage lead them to believe he may have been a hunter. It was turkey hunting season, afterall. The perp must've known that, right?

:banghead:

IMO that is just the tip of the iceberg of why they believe this is a crime involving at least somebody that is local. Just to throw a few more reasons out there and I am sure there could be more indicators, but you left out means of escape and avoiding detection. Possible evidence found in the days after the abduction. Up until Easter the TBI had said the direction of the investigation may change if nothing happens by Easter, then on Easter there was the supposed tip that came in or possible finding of evidence, it has never been made clear to the public what all has been found. Also consider that there was some time spent in the garage between HB and abductor, IMO it is hard to think a random person would be so bold to make this abduction attempt and then take their sweet time doing it and make her walk off of her own property. Doesn't fit.

 

[MEM2010]

Every time I think of Holly Bobo I can't help but think of Jaycee Duggard.

The fact that whoever abducted her knew her property well enough to find her

The fact that whoever abducted her knew she would be leaving around that time.

The person who abducted her doesn't seem to have just been "passing through"

I wonder if someone in that community is some deranged psychopath and has her holed up in their basement.

 

[cluciano63]

I still think a stalker is a possibility, someone not a true local, but who had seen and followed Holly. Maybe he pretended to ask her for directions that morning, who knows? It certainly seems as though LE should have been able to run through the people she knew by this time, 5 months later, and for that matter, much of the male population of such a small town.

 

[Frogzilla]

You don't like turkey?
I am not clear on the call to Mom either. IMO The situation doesn't go to well if Clint called Karen first. Why would he call her? So she could say "Idk look outside?" I don't think Clint called her first at all. I think he DID get woken up by the dogs and looked outside and say people bent over in the garage and chalked it up Drew hunting and went about his business and at some point he saw them walking towards the woods and that confirmed his thought since guy was in camo and they weren't struggling. Karen called after hearing from the neighbor and knowing where Holly and Drew were to be at and Clint told her he saw her walking with Drew and Karen said "it wasn't Drew" and everyone paniked and Clint went out and saw the blood and pop can and whatever else and called Karen back and told her about seeing them in the garage and hearing them and the dogs waking him but he didn't think or see Holly was in danger. The way it was explained was out of sequence in my opinion. I also think Clint went looking for her and everyone called her phone tons.

The problem with your theory is that if KB initiated the call or possible calls to CB, why did she call him? One of the few things that CB has clearly stated is that he had talked with his mother BEFORE he saw HB and abductor walking away. If KB had been notified of the screams coming from around their house prior, don't you think she would relay a very elevated sense of worry and panic? I cannot say exactly who called who first, but according to the versions of the story we have been given it makes a lot more sense if CB called his mother first to ask if she was aware of people that had a reason to be at their house. But in turn, it doesn't sit well with me that he had to call his mother to see who was within a close proximity to him, as CB said they were in the garage and he could see silhouettes.
I would also like to add about commenting on CB giving pursuit and HB cell phone. I think any avenue you take in regard to CB actions after the sighting are completely unknown. That is one part of the story that has never been broached and you have to consider the parts that have been given to the public are already confusing enough.
Discussing HB phone will not be fruitful mostly because we know nothing about it except KB saying HB did have her phone with her. There are quite a few rumors out there swirling. For example, one RUMOR has her texting back that she is okay or something to that effect. The parts that are out in the public's eye are murky and the rest is a big fat one of these ?

 

[~n/t~]

Wonder whatever happened to that missing RSO who was finally located? We never heard anything about him after he was captured. Is he ruled out or what?

 

[sumzero]

Why call his mother? Fear. Indecision. Should he confront the strangers? Call the sheriff? Or what? He also said that, while talking with his mother, he saw HB and the person misidentified as Drew. I don't think at this point that KB had received the message from the neighbor. Once she received that message, KB probably made a flurry of phone calls. Or so I would imagine.

 

[~n/t~]

I still think a stalker is a possibility, someone not a true local, but who had seen and followed Holly. Maybe he pretended to ask her for directions that morning, who knows? It certainly seems as though LE should have been able to run through the people she knew by this time, 5 months later, and for that matter, much of the male population of such a small town.

Yes one would think if the perp was a local some significant leads would have surfaced by now but we know nothing......unless someone is covering up for him which wouldn't surprise me

 

[Frogzilla]

Yes one would think if the perp was a local some significant leads would have surfaced by now but we know nothing......unless someone is covering up for him which wouldn't surprise me

I think there are many reasons that if a local is the abductor that he has not been caught yet. Like you said, a cover-up with help from others is a possibility. An even bigger concern for me is that there is a person or people with pertinent information they are not being forthcoming with, and I do not mean within the Bobo household itself. The TBI even issued a release to that effect, think they had said there is information people were not sharing. Also, it cannot be ruled out, the idea that there are parallel investigations going on here. There were other criminal activities that were effected by the investigation into HB disappearance. Specifically meth labs, but who knows what else. I have thought the SO that was recently apprehended was connected to this case possibly through a parallel investigation and he became a potential POI to some criminal activities in that way. I would imagine there are some serious peeps out there who are none to happy about their '"business" taking a hit. IMO there are many layers in this investigation and TBI is playing their cards so close to the vest that it leaves me with a very uneasy feeling about the entire situation. I hope there will be some resolution in the near future because this case has been a tough one to follow from the beginning to where it presently stands.

 

[SmoothOperator]

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Clint, it was about 7:30 in the morning. Where were you? What vantage point and what did you see?*

C. BOBO: I was asleep in my bedroom and I was awoken by the sounds of our house dog barking.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did you see?*

C. BOBO: I saw the silhouette of two people in our garage. At the time I had no idea who either one of the people were. And then come to realize later that that was my sister and her abductor.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, in the garage?*

You were -- how do you -- when you`re asleep -- I`m just trying to get a picture. You`re asleep and then how do you see what`s going on in the garage? Ok, the dog barks, you wake up. Are you on the same level -- it`s all one floor.

C. BOBO: Right. Yes, we have a one story house

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you walk into the garage?*

C. BOBO: No[did not walk in the garage], I saw them from inside the house and they were outside the house in the garage.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They were in the garage or outside the garage?*

C. BOBO: They were inside the garage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok so as you watched, it was a man inside the garage with your sister and then what happens?*

C. BOBO: And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning and realized that that must have been her at the house and then I looked back out and saw Holly and a male walking towards the woods and that`s the last time I saw her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, now, ok, is the garage attached to the house or is it a separate, detached garage?*

C. BOBO: It`s attached to the house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It is attached to the house.

C. BOBO: Right.
<snipped>

Okay, so this really is whack!! And obviously it is not just a few of us here at WS that are scratching our heads thinking WTH?? As is obvious in the ^above^ snipped portion it is not making sense to JVM, either.. Hence, all the questions attempting to get clarification and a clear picture of what is being said( I'll say too that IMO this has zero to do with being southern and different ways of talking.. I live in TN and have since I wAs 2yoa and what Clint is saying CANNOT be made sense of.. ATLEAST not without some studying done and deciphering of what is said)..*

This is nonsensical what is being stated here.. He is inside the house and he can see the two ppl that are outside of the house, inside the garage that is attached to the house!
WTH??? WTH?? This is nonsensical!! I mean it is so whack it's making my head spin!!:crazy:

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re saying you were able to call your mom before they left the garage and after you called your mom you see them walking towards the woods?*

C. BOBO: Right. And I told my mom that once I realized it was Holly, I said well, Holly and Drew which is her boyfriend were out in the garage talking.
<snipped>

Here we get clarification for when he talked to mom.. What the sequence of events were(ATLEAST in this "version").. Clint sees(how he sees I have yet to determine as obviously in the previous quote it is totally nonsensical how he explains that he could "see".. But whatever for now) the 2 silhouettes(which I realize has also been dissected here in Holly's threads but truly it still, especially when combined with the nonsensical way that he could "see" makes it truly hard to believe IMO)and he hears voices(young sounding.. As well as was initially stated that he heard the voices possibly arguing.. That now omitted from the acct of the mornings events).. Clint hasn't a clue of who the two people are so at that point he calls his mom at school to find out.. He realizes it to be Holly&immediately assumes the other to be Drew.. While still on the phone with mom(from how I take it) he then sees Holly and who he believes to be Drew emerging from the garage and walking "casually" towards the woods..
More info in the snipped quote below..

JVM: Where was the blood?

C. BOBO: It was in the garage, under where I saw the silhouette of them kneeled down in the garage.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: When you saw them kneeling down did you think to ask them or approach them? How far away were you?*

C. BOBO: No, I assumed -- I was inside the house and I assumed that that was Holly and her boyfriend Drew and he was dressed in full camouflage so I thought that Drew had been to the woods and killed a turkey and brought it back to the house and the two were sitting there over the turkey talking. After I saw the blood, I thought that was blood of a turkey that Drew had killed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you see the turkey? Or there was no turkey.*

C. BOBO: No, it was gone.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you thought they had done that when you initially saw them, but you hadn`t seen the blood yet?*

C. BOBO: Right.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So --*

C. BOBO: Didn`t see it until later.*
<snipped>

C. BOBO: Well, the information that has come, as far as leading, I saw the two walking towards the woods, there was no leading, there was no dragging. They just looked like they were casually walking towards the woods. And it wasn`t until later they realized that my sister went to the woods in fear for her life. That she must have been threatened with a weapon.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you called your mom in between when you saw them in the garage and when they walked out into the woods? Why did you do that?*

C. BOBO: I spoke with mom -- I spoke with mom initially to find out who the people -- I heard two voices outside our house and I called mom to try to find out who these people were outside our house. But I had no idea who they were.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, you`re saying they. We`re going to get to more on the other side.
<snipped>

So we see further clarification that the call was made to mom AFTER he "sees" the two silhouettes and hears the young voices in the garage... And BEFORE he sees the two walk towards the woods..*
I must admit I'm a little more confused with this knowledge..*
We learn that yes, Clint did call his mom to find out who the two ppl in the gArage are( present tense because when he cAlled mom the two were still in the garage at that time).. While on the phone with his mom he is able to figure out it is Holly that is in the garage.. And while on the phone as he learns it is Holly(and he assumes likely Drew with her as well as a dead turkey they were kneeling over)at that point they emerge from the garage and Clint visually sees that it is indeed his sister and feels his assumption of the other being Drew is now confirmed upon seeing the two of them walk casually towards the woods together..<-THIS IS WHAT WE NEED FURTHER INFO ABOUT!! THIS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DETAIL OF THE ENTIRE ACCT!!
And unfortunately JVM is interrupted just as it seems she was delving deeper into exactly what was what, even calling on his having changed his verbiage in his statements.. They never resume this discussion after the break so we never get a clearer picture of the events IMO!!

VELEZ-MITCHELL:* Did the blood trail lead anywhere?

K. BOBO: No.*

C. BOBO: *The trail in the woods leads to a logging road.*

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s a logging road, is that what you said?*

C. BOBO: Right.

K. BOBO: So she goes into this logging road, and then eight miles away her lunch pail shows up. What do you make of that, Karen? What do you make of the lunch pail showing up eight miles away from the home? That`s a long distance to walk, that would have to involve some kind of vehicle, I would think. Do they have any vehicle they`re looking for, Karen?*

K. BOBO: As far as I know, if they do, I`m not sure what kind of vehicle that is. But, yes, I do believe a vehicle was involved.*
<snipped>

And then in this last snipped quote we hear JVM ask about the blood trail, did The blood trail lead anywhere???
Mom answers No!
Clint answer yes that the trail led thru the woods to a logging road!!!
This I certainly would like to know additional info about.. She clearly asked as plain as day, DID THE BLOOD TRAIL LEAD ANYWHERE?
to which Clint answers:
YES, THE TRAIL THRU THE WOODS LED TO A LOGGING ROAD..

Are ppl thinking that Clint totally misunderstood the question?? That he did not hear JVM clearly ask about where the "BLOOD TRAIL" led, if anywhere??
Because IMO it is stated clearly and Clint actually answers the question directly, without any of the discombobulated verbiage in between and throughout his answer, as he usually does.. So it leads me to other questions.. Of course to which we have NO ANSWERS TO ANY OF THEM!!! Arrgghh!!!

 

[telemag]

Sorry if this ads nothing, but I honestly can't believe this girl has not been found! She just disappears off the face of the Earth! Does anyone know of anyone one out there who is worth hiring as a private investigator to find this girl? It seems like if someone skipped on bail you'd have a bounty hunter going to the ends of the Earth to find her. What about the money that the Bobo's have collected from the shirts that were sold? What about an all or nothing offer or at least expenses paid till they find her?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Clearly LEthinks it's a local and may have reasons that we don't know about formthinking that way. But if some are thinking of Jayxee Dugard. I keep thinking of Molly Bish, who was kidnapped at a local swimming pond and was, at some point, taken into the woods near the pond. If Molly's mother is correct, the perpetrator is likely a man who was seen in a car near the pond--no one that the family knew. During a hunting season, many people might be in the area who do not live there, and perhaps Holly was seen by someone at home or elsewhere. Or the person may have lived in that area in the past.

Unless LE has actual physical evidence that points to some particular local person or group, it's a mistake to pin the investigation on what is only a hypothesis--that only a local could pull off the abduction. There are topographical maps! You can google almost anywhere and see the woods, the roads, etc. near any address.

 

[SmoothOperator]

So, in looking and attempting to decipher what Clint's acct of that mornings events was I did learn that the phone call was indeed made by Clint to Mom at school.. Where as other articles have reported the opposite.. And we learn that the call was made to mom for the purpose of finding out who the two ppl were that he could "see" their silhouettes and hear their young voices inside the attached garage.. And that he made the call while the two ppl were still in the garage..

Most importantly IMO is that it's learned that Clint made the call before seeing the two emerge from the garage.. They emerged from the garage while on the phone where he sees that it is infact his sister, Holly as well as he sees who he believes to be her boyfriend, Drew.. The two of them casually walking towards the woods.. Mom convinces Clint that he is mistaken/wrong in who he believes that he sees with his sister is Drew.. Mom tells him it is not possible that it is Drew..*

So my question is why then would Clint first have gone into the garage where they were previously??? To which we know once in the garage he sees the small amount of blood..
Why would you go to the garage first(or at all IMO) when you had just seen your sister with who you saw to be Drew, but Mom immediately convinces you that IT WAS NOT DREW, you witnessed them walking toward the woods.. So, again why would you first go into the garage where you knew they no longer were and why would you not go immediately where you had just witnessed them walking to, especially in lieu of just having been convinced by mom that sister was not with boyfriend, Drew and now known that she *was with an unknown male dressed all in camo??

Am I the only one who really is very concerned about what took place, as it took place??

 

[nosyone]

I may have missed it, but can anyone tell me why HB and DS did not see each other the night before?