TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #28

[Oriah]

Thanks for these statistics!

BBM - considering that's the most likely reason for this abduction, then I agree with Whisperer that it's an odd time.

Check the stats further. Abductions in the wee and early hrs of the morning are unfortunately not uncommon. Especially in young adults- and in particular, females. (Not that I am a huge fan of statistics- but it is worth reading.)
Add to that, this was a violent crime. Stats go up. And if this was in fact someone who knew Holly's schedule or routine- it climbs even more.

I do not find it an odd time at all. Sadly, there is no odd time for kidnappings.

 

[Morag]

I haven't followed this story too carefully, but I do think about the various things I've read. I am still hung up on the fact that Holly and the perp were kneeling in the carport/garage. Can anyone give me any reason why an abductor would stop in the middle of his crime to kneel? Wouldn't that just delay his getaway? And apparently there was no turkey to be admiring! I still wonder if they were praying.

JeannieC, I loved your description of family-oriented Southern life in a small town. I have observed such in small town New England, as well (minus the delicious home cooking).

 

[JeannieC]

I haven't followed this story too carefully, but I do think about the various things I've read. I am still hung up on the fact that Holly and the perp were kneeling in the carport/garage. Can anyone give me any reason why an abductor would stop in the middle of his crime to kneel? Wouldn't that just delay his getaway? And apparently there was no turkey to be admiring! I still wonder if they were praying.

JeannieC, I loved your description of family-oriented Southern life in a small town. I have observed such in small town New England, as well (minus the delicious home cooking).

Hey, there are some really good cooks in New England too. I have an old recipe book from a church called New England Cooking. Scratch cooking and I love it. Only problem is I don't have anyone to share all that food with me so I don't cook it anymore. Clam Chowder to die for! Can't get it from a can!

 

[~n/t~]

I haven't followed this story too carefully, but I do think about the various things I've read. I am still hung up on the fact that Holly and the perp were kneeling in the carport/garage. Can anyone give me any reason why an abductor would stop in the middle of his crime to kneel? Wouldn't that just delay his getaway? And apparently there was no turkey to be admiring! I still wonder if they were praying.

JeannieC, I loved your description of family-oriented Southern life in a small town. I have observed such in small town New England, as well (minus the delicious home cooking).

The abductor may not have been kneeling. It could've been Holly begging for her life and he might have been over her telling her to get up. If she didn't comply, that's when he struck her or she got injured resulting in the blood on the ground. She may have gotten frightened at that point and complied with the perp and walked with him into the woods.

All speculation and one of many theories.

 

[Whisperer]

Crimes occur at all times of the day and night. Kidnappings in the early morning are sadly not uncommon at all.

http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/NACJD/NCVS/


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I agree about the kidnappings (small children) would happen early morning because many are family members doing the crime. I am speaking of stranger crimes and opportunists...who aren't seeking children. Your typical home-grown criminal doesn't usually get up @ 6:00am and start his day of crime.

I am referring to strangers. This man who acosted this woman in Centerville is an oddball, imo. I don't hear very often people being startled or attemped violent crime at 6:00am...this is my opinion. That is why this man in centerville is interesting. This was also another disorgainized crime. It tells me there may be a psychotic component to the behavior.

 

[wishuwerehere]

I would like to thank JeannieC for her telling experience and description of small town southern living, as well as Advocate1’s experience and description of same. IMO, both give accurate depictions of small town living.

Also, I think Oriah’s statement is very important to THIS case:
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Missing persons are like a cancer. They spare no demographic.

Often, finding them means putting aside pre-conceived notions of a demographic.

SAR 101!

BBM

This is by far one of the strangest cases I have ever seen. Regardless of LE’s lack of updated info provided, I hope Holly is found and justice is served.

moo

 

[Whisperer]

The throwing of evidence in the main part of town and near Holly's school, Dana, karen and Clint's work/school is another unusual behavior. This may have been a comfortable area for the perp. I see LE tells us the abandoned car is not related but that was also nearby. Did they switch vehicles at this point?

Didn't they get any prints or DNA from the evidence? If not, then the whole thing takes another turn.

It is time for the Bobos to do another presser/interview clarifying their thoughts. I won't hold my breath.

 

[wishuwerehere]

The throwing of evidence in the main part of town and near Holly's school, Dana, karen and Clint's work/school is another unusual behavior. This may have been a comfortable area for the perp.

Didn't they get any prints or DNA from the evidence? If not, then the whole thing takes another turn.

How in the world did she manage to take her stuff w/her when she was in the middle of a violent crime? This makes no sense. Her walking towards the woods with the perp, carrying her stuff doesn't fit.

BBM - This perplexes me, but it also gives me the heebie jeebies. It almost seems like it is a shout out from the perp.

moo

 

[Whisperer]

I would like to thank JeannieC for her telling experience and description of small town southern living, as well as Advocate1’s experience and description of same. IMO, both give accurate depictions of small town living.

Also, I think Oriah’s statement is very important to THIS case:
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BBM

This is by far one of the strangest cases I have ever seen. Regardless of LE’s lack of updated info provided, I hope Holly is found and justice is served.

moo

It's probably not strange at all. It may not even be complicated. We are being left in the dark. We have one eye witness but statements have many holes. If we can't see through his words what he saw, that confuses us.

It appears to be common nowadays with LE giving no info. Once someone lawyers up, the case is over unless they locate a body..sad to say. Criminals are getting better @ hiding bodies too...and we are becoming more and more politically correct when it comes to the possible perps..not allowed to use the word "suspect". It won't be long before the word "POI" is removed. LE can't work like they used to, thanks to criminal defense attorneys.

 

[TxLady2]

It's not safe anywhere anymore... small town or large city. I used to know practically everybody here, but now I can't go to the grocery store and recognize a dozen people, they are almost all strangers to me. People from the larger towns have moved to the smaller towns around us, because the taxes are not as high.
Normally we never lock our doors, but if I'm home by myself after dark, I lock them... can't trust anybody anymore. Small town America is not like it used to be, crime has moved to the country. There was a murder here in my hometown several years ago... something I had never seen here in my whole life. And somebody stole our lawnmower a few years ago... can you imagine not being able to leave your lawnmower sitting in the yard? So my husband bought a riding mower and built a shed to put it in. Let's see them try to steal that!!!

 

[~n/t~]

The throwing of evidence in the main part of town and near Holly's school, Dana, karen and Clint's work/school is another unusual behavior. This may have been a comfortable area for the perp. I see LE tells us the abandoned car is not related but that was also nearby. Did they switch vehicles at this point?

Didn't they get any prints or DNA from the evidence? If not, then the whole thing takes another turn.

It is time for the Bobos to do another presser/interview clarifying their thoughts. I won't hold my breath.

What evidence? The lunch bag/box? That's the only item that was confirmed. Can we talk about other evidence supposedly found? I'm never sure what can or can't be discussed on this thread. :denied:

 

[wishuwerehere]

What evidence? The lunch bag/box? That's the only item that was confirmed. Can we talk about other evidence supposedly found? I'm never sure what can or can't be discussed on this thread. :denied:

I thought the lunch pack/box was found on the side of the road, near the Bobo property? Please confirm if you know. TIA.

 

[~n/t~]

It's not safe anywhere anymore... small town or large city. I used to know practically everybody here, but now I can't go to the grocery store and recognize a dozen people, they are almost all strangers to me. People from the larger towns have moved to the smaller towns around us, because the taxes are not as high.
Normally we never lock our doors, but if I'm home by myself after dark, I lock them... can't trust anybody anymore. Small town America is not like it used to be, crime has moved to the country. There was a murder here in my hometown several years ago... something I had never seen here in my whole life. And somebody stole our lawnmower a few years ago... can you imagine not being able to leave your lawnmower sitting in the yard? So my husband bought a riding mower and built a shed to put it in. Let's see them try to steal that!!!

I've been saying that for years. Sadly, some small towns still have a false sense of security and it seems more and more sex offenders target these areas.

Also, I think most of us who follow crime message boards are more aware (perhaps even paranoid) than most.

I live in a big city. When I see a child walking to school alone or waiting at the bus stop alone, I cringe and think WTH are parents thinking? Many of my friends and coworkers walk or jog alone at night. I tell them over and over again to be careful or to carry pepper spray. They think I'm nuts. :innocent:

 

[~n/t~]

I thought the lunch pack/box was found on the side of the road, near the Bobo property? Please confirm if you know. TIA.

Lunchbox discovered in a creek eight miles from her home

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377604/Searchers-missing-Holly-Bobos-lunchbox.html

 

[wishuwerehere]

Also regarding Holly's lunch pack - Why did the perp "throw it out" after abducting Holly? Why didn't he just demand she leave her belongings in the carport?

 

[~n/t~]

Also regarding Holly's lunch pack - Why did the perp "throw it out" after abducting Holly? Why didn't he just demand she leave her belongings in the carport?

I think it was planted. I honestly don't see Holly carrying her lunchbox and walking side by side with the perp. Unless the perp wanted it done on purpose so it would look less suspicious if someone saw them. Example: Clint

 

[Whisperer]

I thought the lunch pack/box was found on the side of the road, near the Bobo property? Please confirm if you know. TIA.

I am looking at the map and it shows it being found close to Hwy 69 in parsons. I think water runs through most areas there. She didn't live far from school. The town of Parsons looks to be about 6-8 miles from the house.

...if I interpreted the map wrong, I stand corrected.

 

[Whisperer]

Is there a student that Holly ever rode to school with? She's out in the boonies. Maybe there are others living even further away and they carpooled into town. Lots of nursing students become close in school. Relationships develop. Is there a male nurse that was obsessed w/Holly?

 

[Whisperer]

The fact that they drove off, went to town and threw stuff around is interesting. We don't know if Holly was with him at the time but it is possible.

It appears from what I'm reading that we only have it here as a lunchbox, but I have read there were other items...since it isn't verified by LE, I suppose we are not allowed to talk about them. LE is going to scale down what they know, not give out more. Dollars to donuts, they probably didn't like Dana telling about Holly's blood. I'm glad he did.

 

[Whisperer]

IIRC, Clint described the blood as a small puddle. That in itself is interesting, clue wise. There should have been drops elsewhere in that carport, otherwise the wound was covered with something.

If you are standing by your car, facing it, about to open the door and are attacked from behind and cut, what would cause a small puddle of blood to fall?

I am going on the assumption, she was approached getting into her car, holding a coke can, taking it with her for the drive to stay awake as she had a long night.