TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[~n/t~]

Did Karen pack Holly's lunch every morning before school?

 

[Oriah]

Only out of one window. If you could see traffic out of the driver's window, then why not to the same degree out the back window? Or what is outside the passenger window.

Car windows are notorious places for inserting "passing scenes". It's done in movies and tv shows everyday. You can also find examples all over youtube of the fake things people pretend to see outside the windows of cars.

It is the inconsistency of only being ONE window that has outdoor scenes visible.

Both driver and rear passenger (drivers side) windows have visible traffic along with specific vehicle background. The rear window and rear passenger window have visible terrain- that if you enhance and then pull up a topo to match up with, can give an idea of location, angle of the vehicle etc. Imvho, the youtube video is valuable in that aspect.
It's also probably heartbreaking for the family and friends of the Bobo's to watch now.

If this is all a 'scam' and Holly is alive and well somewhere- well, let's just say I will be jumping for joy ala "balloon boy" style.

 

[~n/t~]

Aha!!! TBI does not want them. AND neither do the Bobos! Knew it!! :fence:

TBI released a statement regarding the group’s search efforts on the Holly Bobo case: "This non-profit group you are referring to is not working with TBI. The founder has no first hand knowledge of the investigation. Yes, outside groups, while they may be pure hearted, do interfere with law enforcement's work."

Bobo's family said they appreciate outside help but they are relying on investigators to bring her home.

"We need to be very careful in spreading things we may not know that may be absolutely true because it can have an affect on the family," said the family spokesman Kevin Bromley. :waitasec:

hmmmmm...
FWIW...This SAR team is not doing it for the money.

http://www.abc24.com/news/local/sto...With-Holly/XzBR2zv3pkmPjEKZ9VERrw.cspx?rss=59


ETA: Forgot to mention this is an older article. So the spokesperson is afraid that what people may be speculating on may end up being true and may affect the family. Did I interpret that correctly? I think it interesting that it's in the same article. What may turn out to be true? hmmmm

 

[~n/t~]

I'm very much looking forward to their recreating the scene. It will be very very interesting, imo.

 

[Capri]

Still wondering what Karen B wanted the president to do. Has anyone seen a MSM report on specifics other than "help", & or has she attempted to contact him in a more direct way?

 

[wfgodot]

Still wondering what Karen B wanted the president to do. Has anyone seen a MSM report on specifics other than "help", & or has she attempted to contact him in a more direct way?

I took it as a plea to send the FBI back in.

 

[goldiegirl]

There are people who know Holly in her community. People who have dated her, people who are friends with her, people who have gone to school with her, and people who know her family. She is a real person.

 

[goldiegirl]

From what I've seen, it looks like the 'birthday bash' was to raise money for that goofy SAR team that was turning in false leads, that the Bobos found out - perhaps from TBI? - that that's what it was for, and they put the kibosh on it.

Thank God.

It was?! The TC Holly Bobo Tactical SAR team? I did not know that was the team it was for.

Yes, thank God!

 

[docwho3]

I have not posted on this case for awhile but continue to watch
for new developments.

Due to poor reporting and/or lack of details this case has, at times, seemed
a bit confusing but I have come to a few conclusions based on what
few details I have read.

1. The poor reporting is most likely the cause of the brother's story seeming to
change over time as to the 'dragging' or being 'led away' details.

2. If this was a crime by a nonfamily perp:
I do not think the family was stalked/observed and then hit
with a kidnapping but that this was a more random act performed by
someone who had been in the area before.
I had read rumors that LE was looking at a particular 20 something
man in the area but I have never seen anything in MSM news to support
such a thing. Based on just the MSM news reports I can only conclude this
was a random act and not a planned abduction.

3. I can not yet rule out this being a bizarre case of adult runaway.
I do not think it likely but I can not yet rule it out.
There was not enough blood found when she disappeared to indicate a murder
had taken place or the case would have shifted into a murder investigation right away.
While the reported case info seems to indicate a kidnapping at least
one profiler on one of the MSM shows that talks about current cases
mentioned having reservations about Holly not having made any noise
to indicate anything bad was happening - no scream of surprise or call for help.
Also the remark was made that the time of relative calm before the
two leaving seemed a bit longer than should have been for an abduction.
To me this leaves the door open for a possible case of adult runaway
but I just do not yet see anything to indicate to me that this was actually
a case of runaway.
I just can't yet close the door on that possibility.

4. I cannot yet rule out that the brother could have allowed his sister
to be taken away for reasons of his own such as
a large debt owed etc. but I also see no evidence to support such
a thing happening either. However, it could possibly explain the
description of the crime not quite matching up with the evidence
(according to that profiler I saw on TV.)

5. LE has said they believe the brother's account yet I have seen instances when LE
has said similar things in the past only to have later arrested the one/s they said
weren't suspects.
I am not saying I do not believe the brother's account. I am only saying I cannot
rule him out as a possible perp until some evidence surfaces to make that
happen. For now I believe his words.

6. I think this was likely an act done by someone who was there
to poke around for some other reason and he was surprised
by Holly coming out the door and going to her car.
I think this was a person who possibly had hunted the area before
or who had lived in the area before or who had worked
in the area before.
It is possible he was someone Holly would have recognized
as having seen before but yet someone she knew had
no business being outside her home near her car that morning.
This would have explained her not calling out right away.
Evidently at some point smooth talking failed and force had to be used.
(Of course it is equally possible she was attacked by a complete stranger
whose swift painful attack prevented her from calling out and scared her into submission.)

7. If this truly was an unplanned event I think it will be very hard to
ever solve this case in the short term.

 

[wfgodot]

Sorry. "Poor reporting" didn't force TBI's hand into issuing a press release saying HB was "drug" into the woods and release it on the day the incident occurred, only for TBI to change that story into HB being "led away" soon afterward.

 

[docwho3]

Sorry. "Poor reporting" didn't force TBI's hand into issuing
a press release saying HB was "drug" into the woods and release it on the day the
incident occurred, only for TBI to change that story into HB being "led away" soon afterward.

It could well be responsible. Yet I suppose even TBI can get facts
wrong in the early confusion of a young case.
Whether the poor reporting was done by news reports or by TBI
themselves it does not mean the brother changed his story in actual fact.
Even TBI did not say the brother changed his story
(as far as I remember.)
I do know that there was some poor reporting going on and I have not heard
anything yet to disprove poor reporting being at the root of this
particular aspect of the case.

I do know that one news person I contacted about a different reported aspect of the case said
LE first told them one thing and then another as information was coming in
fast and furious.
(I posted about this previously.)
So I still believe poor reporting (whether by news people or TBI information statements)
was most likely the cause of the seeming change of the brother's story.

 

[wfgodot]

It could well be responsible. Yet I suppose even TBI can get facts
wrong in the early confusion of a young case.
Whether the poor reporting was done by news reports or by TBI
themselves it does not mean the brother changed his story in actual fact.
Even TBI did not say the brother changed his story
(as far as I remember.)
I do know that there was some poor reporting going on and I have not heard
anything yet to disprove poor reporting being at the root of this
particular aspect of the case.

I do know that one news person I contacted about a different reported aspect of the case said
LE first told them one thing and then another as information was coming in
fast and furious.
(I posted about this previously.)
So I still believe poor reporting (whether by news people or TBI information statements)
was most likely the cause of the seeming change of the brother's story.

Yes, I should have been more specific - poor reporting by the media was not to blame. TBI must have taken Clint's colloquialism ("drug") to mean "physically removed by dragging" (which, of course, literally is what it means) and the confusion abounded from there. Media's only as good as its sources and reported what was released by TBI originally.

 

[Oriah]

Yes, I should have been more specific - poor reporting by the media was not to blame. TBI must have taken Clint's colloquialism ("drug") to mean "physically removed by dragging" (which, of course, literally is what it means) and the confusion abounded from there. Media's only as good as its sources and reported what was released by TBI originally.

BBM:
Not trying to be argumentative here, (because you DO know I love you wfgodot, right? ) but IMVHO the media is only as good as their reputation of accessing- and then reporting ,on facts.

Everyone can pass the buck.
But passing the buck (by saying "well, this is what I heard from this cop, and then I heard this from this cop, and then this from a family member! And guess what I heard from another person from Station xyz?! And then would you believe what else I heard at the Huddle House this morning?? And then my deadline was up, so I said to myself that I better go with my gut feeling) is NOT investigative journalism in any fruitful way whatsoever, IMO when it comes to missing persons cases.

Raise the bar, here, media. Call and verify your sources, your statements, your print, online, and digital media sources.
Even if it means you need to learn a whole new language, and take a class in cultural differences- and god forbid- miss your deadline.
Do it, because it's what helps bring missing persons home.

MOO.

 

[wfgodot]

But there's no passing of the buck here, O. TBI gave the first version in a press release the day Holly disappeared. Then, for whatever reason, TBI allowed the story to change. The people who need to raise the bar here are employed by LE.

(wfgodot proudly relishes his insignificant minor in journalism!)

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Sorry. "Poor reporting" didn't force TBI's hand into issuing a press release saying HB was "drug" into the woods and release it on the day the incident occurred, only for TBI to change that story into HB being "led away" soon afterward.

And Clint himself said there was no dragging OR leading that she was just walking

 

[BeanE]

So - you're suggesting what here? Holly as foundling child, or the whole thing a product of our collective unconscious? I love conspiracies as much as the next person but am innoculated against that from which logic recoils. Though I admit to skipping the occasional booster shot - extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K...

 

[wfgodot]

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K...

Return of the Turducken.

 

[~n/t~]

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K...

What does this mean?

 

[sarx]

TBI has dropped the ball in their reporting, I don't disagree, but the media has way surpassed anything they have done in terms of crappy wording, losing the facts along the way and straight up making crap up. Bad reporting, regardless of where it comes from can and does ruin cases all the time. This case is clearly no exception.
I really don't understand why it is so difficult to do one's job. If reporting is your job, then actually spend some time, get the facts, fact check and stop pulling every headline you see of of twitter and facebook and running with it.
Ok, rant over.

 

[wishuwerehere]

Sometimes things are what they seem to be. Meaning, a rose by any other name is still a rose.

If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck… well…it’s a freakin duck! Or a turducken, depending on which circles you run in.

I have tried looking at this case from MANY different angles.

I keep coming back to one. Most of you know which one it is.

--moo