TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

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  • #781
Maybe he was prepared to wait. I've often thought someone followed her, made themselves comfortable and waited for their chance. They had seen the two adults leave, so when Holly came out, probably assumed the house was empty, not a bad assumption overall.
There is nothing to specifically rule it out, but I still have a very hard time seeing it that way. Please forgive all the questions, but they need to be tidied up to work that scenario. If we assume HB exited out the back of her house, then we are assuming the perp waited near that exit indefinitely? If she came out the front door, the perp waited by that door indefinitely? If the perp waited in the woods, he ran the distance to her and had just the right view to see her coming out? Did her parents both leave out the same door, different doors? Were their vehicles in the same spot? Did the perp have a vantage point to confirm everybody who exited the home and left in a vehicle? When the parents left did the perp creep up to the exit HB eventually came out of waiting for her? Did the parents come out, go back in and come back out again? If HB decided to skip school for whatever reason, this person was willing to wait indefinitely for her to exit?
One scenario that I could see fitting would be if the perp just hid by HB vehicle until she came to it, but then why would they have spent time in the attached garage when we know the car was not parked in it? Lots of questions.
Again, it cannot be ruled out, but there are so many assumptions for that scenario to pan out. Assuming this perp was waiting awhile and was close enough to the home to strike quickly, he would probably need a good vantage point to identify anyone who exited. If the perp was waiting for a female to exit and her mother came out first, would he off approached her thinking it was HB? Maybe this perp was fully aware of who to expect and when? Maybe they even knew where to be at certain times to identify who was coming and going?
Also consider the layout of the house and the surrounding woods. The front door exits to the east, the back door to the west. To the south there are large trees around the home and also looks like bushes, so you would need to be close to the house on that side, it would be hard to stakeout both sides from there. Also on that side, the front door is obstructed by the garage the driveway leads up to. On the north side, where the driveway leads into, the perp would have a difficult time seeing both sides clearly, the swimming pool obstructs the view from the north side and to be at an angle where it does not obstruct your view, you would be so far northwest that you could not see the front at all. Also, that would be a long distance to run from across the house.
All in all, my point is that I feel strongly somebody knew exactly where to be and when, everything else was just fit around that.
 
  • #782
There is nothing to specifically rule it out, but I still have a very hard time seeing it that way. Please forgive all the questions, but they need to be tidied up to work that scenario. If we assume HB exited out the back of her house, then we are assuming the perp waited near that exit indefinitely? If she came out the front door, the perp waited by that door indefinitely? If the perp waited in the woods, he ran the distance to her and had just the right view to see her coming out? Did her parents both leave out the same door, different doors? Were their vehicles in the same spot? Did the perp have a vantage point to confirm everybody who exited the home and left in a vehicle? When the parents left did the perp creep up to the exit HB eventually came out of waiting for her? Did the parents come out, go back in and come back out again? If HB decided to skip school for whatever reason, this person was willing to wait indefinitely for her to exit?
One scenario that I could see fitting would be if the perp just hid by HB vehicle until she came to it, but then why would they have spent time in the attached garage when we know the car was not parked in it? Lots of questions.
Again, it cannot be ruled out, but there are so many assumptions for that scenario to pan out. Assuming this perp was waiting awhile and was close enough to the home to strike quickly, he would probably need a good vantage point to identify anyone who exited. If the perp was waiting for a female to exit and her mother came out first, would he off approached her thinking it was HB? Maybe this perp was fully aware of who to expect and when? Maybe they even knew where to be at certain times to identify who was coming and going?
Also consider the layout of the house and the surrounding woods. The front door exits to the east, the back door to the west. To the south there are large trees around the home and also looks like bushes, so you would need to be close to the house on that side, it would be hard to stakeout both sides from there. Also on that side, the front door is obstructed by the garage the driveway leads up to. On the north side, where the driveway leads into, the perp would have a difficult time seeing both sides clearly, the swimming pool obstructs the view from the north side and to be at an angle where it does not obstruct your view, you would be so far northwest that you could not see the front at all. Also, that would be a long distance to run from across the house.
All in all, my point is that I feel strongly somebody knew exactly where to be and when, everything else was just fit around that.

Excellent post and great questions. Detectives are taught how to "think" like a criminal. He would have had to be close to where Holly came out but surely wasn't there until after the parents left. If he was familiar with the family then he would have recognized Clint's car was there(I am assuming he has one.) Which raises yet another question...Why wasn't he concerned Clint was home?
 
  • #783
Excellent post and great questions. Detectives are taught how to "think" like a criminal. He would have had to be close to where Holly came out but surely wasn't there until after the parents left. If he was familiar with the family then he would have recognized Clint's car was there(I am assuming he has one.) Which raises yet another question...Why wasn't he concerned Clint was home?

BBM -
Gets us back to IMO, the perp IMO acted with precision and seemed to know Clint would not be a threat. - leading me to believe some sort of familiarity or observation of the family....
 
  • #784
BBM -
Gets us back to IMO, the perp IMO acted with precision and seemed to know Clint would not be a threat. - leading me to believe some sort of familiarity or observation of the family....

You're right. And...why didn't he find Clint a threat?
 
  • #785
You're right. And...why didn't he find Clint a threat?

Ah, the proverbial 64-thousand dollar question... perhaps he observed that Clint was a laid-back, mellow type of guy who wasn't the type to grab a gun and run outside.... Apparently, if the perp thought this, he was right. Maybe I'm completely wrong and the perp had no idea Holly had a brother at home and once the parent were out, the perp acted....

All-in-all, the abduction seem very precise - got her without her making a fuss, and didn't leave a traceable trail.... Unless, by letting so many people search for Holly, instead of finding clues, clues were trampled over and lost...
 
  • #786

The idea has crossed my mind lately that perhaps there was somebody hunting too close to or on the Bobo's property and perhaps Holly was hit with a stray bullet. The hunter may have panicked, lying and telling Holly he would take her to the hospital...Maybe he honestly tried to take Holly to get help, leading her out to his ATV...if she was in shock she would have went with him quietly enough...
What happens after? He decides its too much of a risk to let her live, knowing he was illegally hunting on her property and that the bullet could help trace back to him, so he killed her. OR she died very soon after heading into the woods and he panicked and hid her body.

What if the perp planned this as a ruse, especially if it was someone Holly knew and thought wasn't a threat.... he "accidentally" shoots her using something that didn't make much noise.... he then offers to take her to a doc for treatment...

While this theory may not work, I do think the perp had to have some ruse to get Holly to go as far as she did with him....

Though he could have told Holly he knew only her brother was home and if she didn't follow him, he would kill her and then her brother... and said it with enough authority for her to believe him....
 
  • #787
What if the perp planned this as a ruse, especially if it was someone Holly knew and thought wasn't a threat.... he "accidentally" shoots her using something that didn't make much noise.... he then offers to take her to a doc for treatment...

While this theory may not work, I do think the perp had to have some ruse to get Holly to go as far as she did with him....

Though he could have told Holly he knew only her brother was home and if she didn't follow him, he would kill her and then her brother... and said it with enough authority for her to believe him....

If it was an abductor, I tend to go with the latter. He threatened to kill her, Clint and even the dog if it was someone who knew the family well. On the other hand, there could be another reason he didn't feel Clint was a threat that I won't elaborate on here.
 
  • #788
Frog, you brought up something very interesting, regardless of which scenario we're discussion. Holly's car was outside, right? No matter what happened, WHAT WERE THEY DOING IN THE CARPORT? If someone were lying in wait, why not wait by the car? If he did wait by the car, why did he take her into the carport? If he waited in the carport, how did he get her to come in there where he was?
 
  • #789
Does the back door of the house enter into the carport? Do we know?

I'm not saying that this case is related to the attempted abduction on Heather Sullivan, but clearly the guy who did that didn't care someone else was home, and/or hadn't done his homework. And if something loud hadn't fallen, maybe he would have gotten away with it.

About someone following her home, with rural roads early in the morning, slashing a tire and stopping to "help" when she stops with a flat would seem more likely to succeed than an abduction at the house. But then it did succeed, so what do I know.
 
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That was a tease! Where do we get the print edition? :banghead:
 
  • #792
Good morning, Bobonístas, great postings of late. ~n/t~, haven't checked the "tease" feature yet but, generally, newspapers will go ahead and publish the info online (after selling as many print copies as possible) early the next week (at least that's the San Antonio Express-News's schedule - small-town newspaper maybe will do it earlier, like tonight). Looking forward to reading it too.
 
  • #793
Excellent post and great questions. Detectives are taught how to "think" like a criminal. He would have had to be close to where Holly came out but surely wasn't there until after the parents left. If he was familiar with the family then he would have recognized Clint's car was there(I am assuming he has one.) Which raises yet another question...Why wasn't he concerned Clint was home?

You are assuming he knew the car belonged to Clint or that he even knew she had a brother, and we don't know that, do we?

Seems we are going around in circles here, but say we go with the theory that this was not a stranger abduction, it was someone Holly was acquainted with but not close to. Maybe he knew where she lived, knew her routine and made a plan but didn't consider elaborate details... which is how most abductions work. Someone intent on kidnapping does not always plan it out to the smallest detail, yet things seem to fall in place for some unknown reason. Many abductions happen because of opportunity, or chance, rather than a plan that has been formulated down to the tiniest detail. We need to focus on WHY she was taken as much as HOW it happened, and I believe that is what LE is looking at, too. JMO
 
  • #794
I def. think this was done by someone Holly or her family knew.

Her house is too secluded in the woods for a stranger to find it.

The person who did this had to have known where she lived at and what her daily routine was.
 
  • #795
Frog, you brought up something very interesting, regardless of which scenario we're discussion. Holly's car was outside, right? No matter what happened, WHAT WERE THEY DOING IN THE CARPORT? If someone were lying in wait, why not wait by the car? If he did wait by the car, why did he take her into the carport? If he waited in the carport, how did he get her to come in there where he was?

He says to her (since he appears to be turkey hunting) "there's a big turkey in your car port that I winged and its in there..."
One think we don't know, if perp was someone Holly knew at least well enough to know his name/voice so if he was in the car port he could have said something to her and she recognized him and did not feel threatened at that point...
But, again we are back to the perp acting boldly with a plan, and not concerned about Clint being home or not home...
 
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It would be helpful to know if Holly was so enamoured by hunting/turkeys that she would allow herself the distraction on the way to an important exam to stop to examine a dead one...I mean, surely she had seen turkeys before, if she was involved with hunting, why would someone showing her a turkey cause her to delay leaving for school?
 
  • #798
Good morning, Bobonístas, great postings of late. ~n/t~, haven't checked the "tease" feature yet but, generally, newspapers will go ahead and publish the info online (after selling as many print copies as possible) early the next week (at least that's the San Antonio Express-News's schedule - small-town newspaper maybe will do it earlier, like tonight). Looking forward to reading it too.
,
Luv the "BOBONISTAS", LOL!!
 
  • #799
It would be helpful to know if Holly was so enamoured by hunting/turkeys that she would allow herself the distraction on the way to an important exam to stop to examine a dead one...I mean, surely she had seen turkeys before, if she was involved with hunting, why would someone showing her a turkey cause her to delay leaving for school?

Very true. And how many males drop by for whatever reason, turkey or otherwise, that she felt comfortable enough to be alone with in the carport or garage early in the morning?
 
  • #800
[QUOTE=TxLady2;7207211]You are assuming he knew the car belonged to Clint or that he even knew she had a brother, and we don't know that, do we?

Seems we are going around in circles here, but say we go with the theory that this was not a stranger abduction, it was someone Holly was acquainted with but not close to. Maybe he knew where she lived, knew her routine and made a plan but didn't consider elaborate details... which is how most abductions work. Someone intent on kidnapping does not always plan it out to the smallest detail, yet things seem to fall in place for some unknown reason. Many abductions happen because of opportunity, or chance, rather than a plan that has been formulated down to the tiniest detail. We need to focus on WHY she was taken as much as HOW it happened, and I believe that is what LE is looking at, too. JMO[/QUOTE]

BBM

As I said, IF he was FAMILIAR with the family, since it is such a small town, then it is most likely he knew Holly had a brother and what car Clint drove. (if Clint did have a car)
 
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