TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[cluciano63]

Doesn't sound like Clint saw much of this guy at all, or even paid attention since he thought it was Drew all along, even after talking to his mom.

As far as abductor returning to search with the others...always possible, of course. Either that or he really simpy drove out of the area without attracting attention; the police would all be heading one way during that timespan so he could just stay out of their way, toss the lunchpail, and keeping going.

 

[Plumeria5]

I seem to play devil's advocate to your posts often, it must mean I like them.^^
So once again to flip it around, what if the abductor was one of the responders to the Bobo home that morning to help look or part of early search teams? This is not a new idea to the forum, but it is hard to know with any certainty if there was ANY trace of the direction HB actually went. All the rumors about no blood trail, no shoe prints, dogs couldn't track, etc...Add in the TBI director at one time said it was as if she was spirited away. All we know is that CB has said they were going north when he saw them.
Really though, what are the options?
-She was put into vehicle close to home and escaped the entire area completely undetected (medium risk of being spotted by somebody as being in the area heading away from the scene, once you are out of the area low chance of being detected unless LE was looking for you already. Possibility the vehicle is seen and there is a search for an unidentified vehicle.)
-Stashed away locally and the abductor blended right back into the community (would be a community member involved, medium risk of being seen leaving the immediate area but an excuse to be in the general area, tightens up alibi. Would need a place to hide her quickly, needs to probably be in the general area of the town.)
-Taken into the woods (logging trail) and the abductor had a perfect route planned (would need to be bold and confident in this plan, as well as a luck factor. Could plan where you will exit the woods, but at some point you would need a vehicle handy unless the plan was to hide in the woods indefinitely. Bottom line is this type of plan is really hard to gauge.)
-She ran away and made an elaborate plan to have herself kidnapped (not likely at this point)

Any other ideas just toss them out there.

Ok, here goes. Puddle of blood bothers me. How large is a puddle? Don't know but it sounds substantial enough to be noticed easily. Wouldn't there be a trail? How did the blood flow just stop and how was she was able to walk towards the woods without leaving at least a little blood?

 

[Chili Fries]

Doesn't sound like Clint saw much of this guy at all, or even paid attention since he thought it was Drew all along, even after talking to his mom.

As far as abductor returning to search with the others...always possible, of course. Either that or he really simpy drove out of the area without attracting attention; the police would all be heading one way during that timespan so he could just stay out of their way, toss the lunchpail, and keeping going.

Yeah since this crime likely involved sex I think he acquired what he wanted, Holly, and took off. Unfortunately this a crime pattern that we see too often.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe LE later found some drops of blood in the yard....they haven't said much. And Clint didn't even seem bothered by the blood, so he probably wasn't looking for a blood trail, he still was thinking turkey. I am just stymied by what the injury to Holly could be that did not seem to make her walk in any way that seemed forced, even when Clint has spoken to his hysterical mom he doesn't seem to act as though she looked like she was being forced. (aside from the providence of the word "dragged"-it is possible this DID come from LE-maybe one of the "down home" type officers said "dragged, or "drug her off" into the woods" when telling the tale to his supervisor, for example, and it went from there into history.)

 

[Plumeria5]

Maybe LE later found some drops of blood in the yard....they haven't said much. And Clint didn't even seem bothered by the blood, so he probably wasn't looking for a blood trail, he still was thinking turkey. I am just stymied by what the injury to Holly could be that did not seem to make her walk in any way that seemed forced, even when Clint has spoken to his hysterical mom he doesn't seem to act as though she looked like she was being forced. (aside from the providence of the word "dragged"-it is possible this DID come from LE-maybe one of the "down home" type officers said "dragged, or "drug her off" into the woods" when telling the tale to his supervisor, for example, and it went from there into history.)

Maybe he kneed her in the face, she got a nose bleed and went down to her knees? The dragged/drug wordage...ever played the telephone game? Never turns out how you start it. Actually doesn't even sound like English.

 

[Frogzilla]

And I think the timeline pretty much absolves the family of suspicion. With mom and dad at work and boyfriend on the other side of the county I just don't see any way Clint could have done anything in such a short time span. I hadn't seen any reason to really suspect the family before and I see even less now.

The bottom line to me is that all of this we have learned from the family doesn't really mean anything unless Clint can eventually remember that he's seen the guy who walked Holly into the woods before. Like Elizabeth Smart's sister did with her abductor. Otherwise there is probably nothing we've heard so far that can crack the case.

I would agree that nobody in that household killed HB, unless there was teleporter involved. Now suspicion is something different and none of this really changes how people may view the situation, everyone has a right to an opinion, or so I'm told.
Your bottom line is exactly right though, nobody is going to find the abductor only knowing he wore camo and possibly cleaned his vehicle 6 months ago. Which also begs the question, why does this story still have to be spun 6 months later? I am still baffled that the information given out by the family is not simple and straightforward, instead it is incomplete and confusing versions of the same story. It seems counter-productive. This all feels a few months late as well, like a delayed reaction. A miscellaneous detail here, another one there, I don't like the feeling that this story is being strung along. In time, there may be no parts of the story left to tell and people will be left wondering what happened in more ways than one.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe he kneed her in the face, she got a nose bleed and went down to her knees? The dragged/drug wordage...ever played the telephone game? Never turns out how you start it. Actually doesn't even sound like English.

TBI even used "drug" in their first official statement...lol, i.e "she was drug into the woods"...was hearing "Deliverance" in my head when I first read that.

 

[Frogzilla]

Doesn't sound like Clint saw much of this guy at all, or even paid attention since he thought it was Drew all along, even after talking to his mom.

As far as abductor returning to search with the others...always possible, of course. Either that or he really simpy drove out of the area without attracting attention; the police would all be heading one way during that timespan so he could just stay out of their way, toss the lunchpail, and keeping going.

One of the points I was trying to make is that it is entirely possible this person got out of the area ASAP and evaded detection and took her to who knows where. We do not know all the directions vehicles were heading toward the house from and in what time frame. But I cannot agree that when driving a vehicle you can stay out of another vehicle's way, especially LE. We are talking some serious back roads in that area. If you are driving down the road and somebody passes you, you have no control over that. If you were spotted in the area and the vehicle is unfamiliar, then that will probably warrant future attention. An example, yes I did see a green car that I had never seen before and the driver was wearing camo.
The road by the home runs north and south, but leads into many other roads heading every direction. The mother's school and the city of Parsons are to the south of the home. The vast majority of searches were north and east of the home. We do not know which directions LE was all coming from.
Putting together what we knew before and just recently learned, I cannot help but feel this abductor had an amazing stroke of luck at just about every opportunity that morning.
Luck is usually the residue of design, but even the best designs need luck and wow did this person get it. Timing of abduction worked, victim complied (even walked off her own property), brother inside pays attention but does not react, evaded the area undetected and six months later still out there.

 

[Plumeria5]

One of the points I was trying to make is that it is entirely possible this person got out of the area ASAP and evaded detection and took her to who knows where. We do not know all the directions vehicles were heading toward the house from and in what time frame. But I cannot agree that when driving a vehicle you can stay out of another vehicle's way, especially LE. We are talking some serious back roads in that area. If you are driving down the road and somebody passes you, you have no control over that. If you were spotted in the area and the vehicle is unfamiliar, then that will probably warrant future attention. An example, yes I did see a green car that I had never seen before and the driver was wearing camo.
The road by the home runs north and south, but leads into many other roads heading every direction. The mother's school and the city of Parsons are to the south of the home. The vast majority of searches were north and east of the home. We do not know which directions LE was all coming from.
Putting together what we knew before and just recently learned, I cannot help but feel this abductor had an amazing stroke of luck at just about every opportunity that morning.
Luck is usually the residue of design, but even the best designs need luck and wow did this person get it. Timing of abduction worked, victim complied (even walked off her own property), brother inside pays attention but does not react, evaded the area undetected and six months later still out there.

"Ribbit!" Oops...I mean ditto...ur...I agree. :crazy:

 

[Trident]

Seems to me there was a lot of fear and/or suspicion in that family the morning Holly went missing. It also seems Clint does a lot of calling and not much else.

I'm jumping off my own post because it is a continuation of the same thought:


. . . "If you miss a test, it's nearly impossible to pass a make-up test," Brown said. "Holly usually walks in five or 10 minutes before a test starts, and she doesn't miss.

"When she was not here at the start of the test, I started to cry because I thought she had been in a car accident," she said. "When I told the teacher I thought something bad had happened to Holly, she already knew what was going on and she just lowered her head."

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111009/NEWS25/110090330

I don't know about the rest of you, but none of my friends would have started crying because I missed a test and assumed I was in a car accident. Oh, no, I believe there was danger in that town and a lot of people were aware of it.

:cow:

 

[goodgirl65]

I'm jumping off my own post because it is a continuation of the same thought:


. . . "If you miss a test, it's nearly impossible to pass a make-up test," Brown said. "Holly usually walks in five or 10 minutes before a test starts, and she doesn't miss.

"When she was not here at the start of the test, I started to cry because I thought she had been in a car accident," she said. "When I told the teacher I thought something bad had happened to Holly, she already knew what was going on and she just lowered her head."

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111009/NEWS25/110090330

I don't know about the rest of you, but none of my friends would have started crying because I missed a test and assumed I was in a car accident. Oh, no, I believe there was danger in that town and a lot of people were aware of it.

:cow:

Id more or less chalk it up to a sixth sense or gut instinct that something was wrong, especially considering Holly was definitely expected to be at the exam.
Also, the teacher already knew about what had happened to Holly , so her emotions or thoughts were "present" in that room and may have been "picked up" by someone sensitive enough to feel them.

Just a thought.

 

[~n/t~]

I'm jumping off my own post because it is a continuation of the same thought:


. . . "If you miss a test, it's nearly impossible to pass a make-up test," Brown said. "Holly usually walks in five or 10 minutes before a test starts, and she doesn't miss.

"When she was not here at the start of the test, I started to cry because I thought she had been in a car accident," she said. "When I told the teacher I thought something bad had happened to Holly, she already knew what was going on and she just lowered her head."

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111009/NEWS25/110090330

I don't know about the rest of you, but none of my friends would have started crying because I missed a test and assumed I was in a car accident. Oh, no, I believe there was danger in that town and a lot of people were aware of it.

:cow:

I agree and not only that, at 8 am Holly's teacher already knew what was going on? Who told her?

8 am
Cops arrive
Karen arrives
Holly's teacher already knew what happened.

:waitasec:

 

[~n/t~]

Id more or less chalk it up to a sixth sense or gut instinct that something was wrong, especially considering Holly was definitely expected to be at the exam.
Also, the teacher already knew about what had happened to Holly , so her emotions or thoughts were "present" in that room and may have been "picked up" by someone sensitive enough to feel them.

Just a thought.

I don't understand what you mean. Like a psychic scent?

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I'm jumping off my own post because it is a continuation of the same thought:


. . . "If you miss a test, it's nearly impossible to pass a make-up test," Brown said. "Holly usually walks in five or 10 minutes before a test starts, and she doesn't miss.

"When she was not here at the start of the test, I started to cry because I thought she had been in a car accident," she said. "When I told the teacher I thought something bad had happened to Holly, she already knew what was going on and she just lowered her head."

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111009/NEWS25/110090330

I don't know about the rest of you, but none of my friends would have started crying because I missed a test and assumed I was in a car accident. Oh, no, I believe there was danger in that town and a lot of people were aware of it.

:cow:

When I read that, I thought the same thing. Sure seems to be a town on "edge", at least when it came to Holly Bobo. It is like the townspeople were already aware of an incident that could continue to escalate, and bring harm to Holly. I am thinking some kind of illegal activity. Holly may have held a key piece of evidence that could bring down a "big fish". Maybe everyone was expecting something like this would happen. It is that or Parson's is a very "jumpy" town, prone to over-reacting.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Why does Clint call Holly's phone when he sees her walking into the woods? Why didn't he just walk out with his loaded gun and call out for her? He then goes on to say that he called Drew's phone and he didn't get a reply there either so he figured they were together? His mom had just told him it wasn't Drew. But then again, how was Karen so sure it wasn't Drew? Did he ever get permission to hunt on grandmas land? If he did, he had a whole 5 minutes. He shows up at work at 8. Wow.
:sigh:

HI ~n/t~,

I think Turkey hunting starts before dawn which was 6:23. Drew called Holly after they had hunted. He was telling her what had gone on earlier that morning. Apparently turkey's have great eyesight . So those little suckers are out in full force hours before dawn. So I've been told.

 

[mountainguy777]

Just a few things.....

There is never a reported "visual" on clint until police arrive. Its only assumed he was asleep in his room from 4:30.

Why did clint vanish for 2 months after the abduction? Wouldn't his story of events be quite important?

The article says holly told hannah she was gonna get her shoes on. To me that wouldn't be mentioned if she was slipping into flip-flops.


I don't get the overreacting of karen. Concern is one thing. Collapsing without any real info is strange.

 

[~n/t~]

HI ~n/t~,

I think Turkey hunting starts before dawn which was 6:23. Drew called Holly after they had hunted. He was telling her what had gone on earlier that morning. Apparently turkey's have great eyesight . So those little suckers are out in full force hours before dawn. So I've been told.

So why the flurry of phone calls between the 3 around 7:30? To me, it sounds like the hunting issue hadn't been resolved. Otherwise, why all this back and forth calling.

 

[~n/t~]

Just a few things.....

There is never a reported "visual" on clint until police arrive. Its only assumed he was asleep in his room from 4:30.

Why did clint vanish for 2 months after the abduction? Wouldn't his story of events be quite important?

The article says holly told hannah she was gonna get her shoes on. To me that wouldn't be mentioned if she was slipping into flip-flops.


I don't get the overreacting of karen. Concern is one thing. Collapsing without any real info is strange.

Good points.

 

[~n/t~]

How ironic that Holly's relative didn't recognize Drew but yet Clint was convinced the guy with Holly was Drew.

 

[cluciano63]

If all of the latest info is true. Clint sure did not have time to do anything to Holly, IMO. Her friend had just spoken to her, Clint was still in bed, and the lunchbag was 6 or 8 miles away; I doubt he was allowed to make a little trip once LE showed up shortly after 8am. So I think this version rules him out. Also, since the friend says she called from a landline, that call can be verified easily enough.

As far as Drew goes, my question is why did he stop answering his phone? Does one turn off the phone so as to not give the trukeys a fair warning?