TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[R.U.Kidding!]

So why the flurry of phone calls between the 3 around 7:30? To me, it sounds like the hunting issue hadn't been resolved. Otherwise, why all this back and forth calling.

Yep! I see what you mean. There is that "flurry" of calls statement. Wonder --"How many phone calls does it take to make a "Flurry?" 3-4-6---?

I'll just chalk it up to one more thing that makes one go "HHMMMMM":crazy:

 

[OldSteve]

Just as we approach the 6-month mark, my head is spinning with all that's now being mentioned! Strange timeline... things not making sense....

 

[Plumeria5]

I'm jumping off my own post because it is a continuation of the same thought:


. . . "If you miss a test, it's nearly impossible to pass a make-up test," Brown said. "Holly usually walks in five or 10 minutes before a test starts, and she doesn't miss.

"When she was not here at the start of the test, I started to cry because I thought she had been in a car accident," she said. "When I told the teacher I thought something bad had happened to Holly, she already knew what was going on and she just lowered her head."

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111009/NEWS25/110090330

I don't know about the rest of you, but none of my friends would have started crying because I missed a test and assumed I was in a car accident. Oh, no, I believe there was danger in that town and a lot of people were aware of it.

:cow:

I ran into a blog last night that I had never read before and came away with the same conclusion. Although Parsons is a small town, there seems to be a lot of negative things happening there. And, it appears Holly may have associated with some young men that put her in danger.

 

[TxLady2]

How ironic that Holly's relative didn't recognize Drew but yet Clint was convinced the guy with Holly was Drew.

I thought he said he first thought it was Drew... not that he was convinced. Big difference.

 

[TxLady2]

I'm jumping off my own post because it is a continuation of the same thought:


. . . "If you miss a test, it's nearly impossible to pass a make-up test," Brown said. "Holly usually walks in five or 10 minutes before a test starts, and she doesn't miss.

"When she was not here at the start of the test, I started to cry because I thought she had been in a car accident," she said. "When I told the teacher I thought something bad had happened to Holly, she already knew what was going on and she just lowered her head."

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111009/NEWS25/110090330

I don't know about the rest of you, but none of my friends would have started crying because I missed a test and assumed I was in a car accident. Oh, no, I believe there was danger in that town and a lot of people were aware of it.

:cow:

Wow. That's kind of a stretch, doncha think? Some people are paranoid. I'm that way myself. Nothing odd or unusual about it. I think a friend crying and worried Holly might have been in an accident of some sort is a far cry from there being some kind of mysterious danger lurking, causing people to disappear. Makes it sound like a horror movie, no offense. But that's just me.

 

[Cheyne]

I have been suspicious of the timeline since the Velez-Mitchell interview on 4 August. Clint states he saw "a silhouette of two people" in the garage/carport and comes to realize later that it was his sister and her abductor. (Mitchell stated the time as 7:30 and Clint did not correct the time in the interview.)

The new timeline puts the focus back on the family home and persons who live there. If Holly's friend called around 7 am, and Karen, Drew and Holly have a flurry of calls between 7:20-7:30, and the police arrive at 8:05 that doesn't leave much time for an abductor to take Holly and spirit her away with no trace.

The neighbor was at the house at 8:00-8:05 with Clint in the front yard. The neighbor did not see anyone going into the woods at that time. Clint did not rush into the woods after Holly and her abductor, but (finally) calls 911 while with the neighbor as the first patrol car's engine is heard arriving on the scene. Why didn't Clint run to the woods where he saw Holly and her abductor entering? Even if he didn't believe that anything was fishy, he knows that Karen is frantic with worry over Holly. If he had run to the woods, he might have seen something more-such as a vehicle or a better look at the kidnapper.

I believe Clint didn't rush to the woods because there was no abductor. Holly was already dead by that time. If Holly was leaving for school, why wasn't she wearing (or carrying) a jacket? It was 41 degrees that morning, why would she be only wearing a pink shirt and blue jeans? She could have been killed in the garage and put either in the trunk of her own car or in a garbage can or other receptacle in the garage. Or possibly in the trunk of another car that left the scene before the neighbor showed-up.

I will stop here as I am unsure about the speculating rules on this forum and I don't want to offend or break any rules.

 

[Oriah]

Wow. That's kind of a stretch, doncha think? Some people are paranoid. I'm that way myself. Nothing odd or unusual about it. I think a friend crying and worried Holly might have been in an accident of some sort is a far cry from there being some kind of mysterious danger lurking, causing people to disappear. Makes it sound like a horror movie, no offense. But that's just me.

I agree, TxLady2.

I am constantly concerned (and think the worst) when someone I love is not where they should be; or hear something as insignificant as, "Wait- wasn't he/she supposed to be at work/school/etc??"

Do I collapse? No. But I sure worry.
I completely understand this.

 

[Soulmagent]

One of the points I was trying to make is that it is entirely possible this person got out of the area ASAP and evaded detection and took her to who knows where. We do not know all the directions vehicles were heading toward the house from and in what time frame. But I cannot agree that when driving a vehicle you can stay out of another vehicle's way, especially LE. We are talking some serious back roads in that area. If you are driving down the road and somebody passes you, you have no control over that. If you were spotted in the area and the vehicle is unfamiliar, then that will probably warrant future attention. An example, yes I did see a green car that I had never seen before and the driver was wearing camo.
The road by the home runs north and south, but leads into many other roads heading every direction. The mother's school and the city of Parsons are to the south of the home. The vast majority of searches were north and east of the home. We do not know which directions LE was all coming from.
Putting together what we knew before and just recently learned, I cannot help but feel this abductor had an amazing stroke of luck at just about every opportunity that morning.
Luck is usually the residue of design, but even the best designs need luck and wow did this person get it. Timing of abduction worked, victim complied (even walked off her own property), brother inside pays attention but does not react, evaded the area undetected and six months later still out there.

What kinda of green car? OR was a car/ truck/van? Need something here.

 

[Frogzilla]

What kinda of green car? OR was a car/ truck/van? Need something here.

Sorry if you took that out of context, but it was just an example to illustrate a point. I AM NOT TRYING TO START A RUMOR!!!!!

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Wow. That's kind of a stretch, doncha think? Some people are paranoid. I'm that way myself. Nothing odd or unusual about it. I think a friend crying and worried Holly might have been in an accident of some sort is a far cry from there being some kind of mysterious danger lurking, causing people to disappear. Makes it sound like a horror movie, no offense. But that's just me.

See I don't think it is a stretch in This case. I think almost fainting upon hearing your daughters car is still in the drive-way, after a scream was heard?Really?--I think that behavior is reflective of some combination of prior knowledge of danger---even Karen's co-workers found it a bit much!

Add to that the classmates reaction to Holly's late arrival (because at that point that was all it was), and she ends up crying about "something bad happening " to Holly. I mean what are the odds you as a mother would almost faint and a classmate of your daughter would break down in tears--both feeling "something BAD" happened.

I don't think we said it was" some kind of mysterious danger causing people to disappear" but behavior indicative of a prior percieved threat to ONE young women. That sure sounds possible to me, but again that's just me.

I'm jumping off my own post because it is a continuation of the same thought:


. . . "If you miss a test, it's nearly impossible to pass a make-up test," Brown said. "Holly usually walks in five or 10 minutes before a test starts, and she doesn't miss.

"When she was not here at the start of the test, I started to cry because I thought she had been in a car accident," she said. "When I told the teacher I thought something bad had happened to Holly, she already knew what was going on and she just lowered her head."

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111009/NEWS25/110090330

I don't know about the rest of you, but none of my friends would have started crying because I missed a test and assumed I was in a car accident. Oh, no, I believe there was danger in that town and a lot of people were aware of it.

:cow:

 

[goodgirl65]

I don't understand what you mean. Like a psychic scent?

Just like a first feeling, a gut instinct that something is wrong......

 

[Plumeria5]

I was trying to put myself in Karen's place and how I would react. I understand that everyone would react differently but I still wanted to
share what I would "think" if a neighbor called and said her son had heard screams. My reaction would have been that someone or something got hurt. Perhaps that my daughter had run over the dog leaving for school or she fell and twisted her ankle or worse yet broke it. But...and a big but (lol one t)
if my daughter or my family had received threats or there was conflict with someone recently my mind would race to a much more sinister thought immediately.

 

[~n/t~]

I thought he said he first thought it was Drew... not that he was convinced. Big difference.

No that's not the how it went. If you read the article, even after Karen told him it wasn't Drew he still thought it was Drew
Actually, I'll quote it for you:

"It was after I spoke with (Mom) that I walked into the kitchen and looked out the window and saw (Holly) and a man dressed in camouflage walking toward the woods," Clint said. "I called Holly's cell phone, and it rang five times and went to voicemail, and I called Drew's phone also, and the same thing happened. What that assured me was that they were in the same place because neither one of them answered their cell phone"

and then:

"Oh, my God, Clint!" Karen told her son. "That is not Drew! Call 911!"

Karen said she told Clint to get a gun and go after the man. She hung up to call 911 again and reached Decatur County. She still had not told Clint about Drew being on the other side of the county, and Clint said he still believed the man to be Holly's boyfriend.

and then:

"When I walked out the back door, I saw a small puddle of blood, and I still wasn't alarmed because who I thought was her boyfriend was dressed in camo," Clint said. "I thought, 'He's killed a turkey up here on this trail behind the house and brought it to the house to show Holly before she goes to school.'"

and then:

"The thing is there was no turkey," Clint said. "I wondered why they would take the turkey back to the woods unless they were walking back to put the turkey in his truck. I was not worried until the neighbor pulled up and said her son heard screams"


So yeah, I think he was convinced it was Drew until the neighbour pulled up.

 

[~n/t~]

I have been suspicious of the timeline since the Velez-Mitchell interview on 4 August. Clint states he saw "a silhouette of two people" in the garage/carport and comes to realize later that it was his sister and her abductor. (Mitchell stated the time as 7:30 and Clint did not correct the time in the interview.)

The new timeline puts the focus back on the family home and persons who live there. If Holly's friend called around 7 am, and Karen, Drew and Holly have a flurry of calls between 7:20-7:30, and the police arrive at 8:05 that doesn't leave much time for an abductor to take Holly and spirit her away with no trace.

The neighbor was at the house at 8:00-8:05 with Clint in the front yard. The neighbor did not see anyone going into the woods at that time. Clint did not rush into the woods after Holly and her abductor, but (finally) calls 911 while with the neighbor as the first patrol car's engine is heard arriving on the scene. Why didn't Clint run to the woods where he saw Holly and her abductor entering? Even if he didn't believe that anything was fishy, he knows that Karen is frantic with worry over Holly. If he had run to the woods, he might have seen something more-such as a vehicle or a better look at the kidnapper.

I believe Clint didn't rush to the woods because there was no abductor. Holly was already dead by that time. If Holly was leaving for school, why wasn't she wearing (or carrying) a jacket? It was 41 degrees that morning, why would she be only wearing a pink shirt and blue jeans? She could have been killed in the garage and put either in the trunk of her own car or in a garbage can or other receptacle in the garage. Or possibly in the trunk of another car that left the scene before the neighbor showed-up.

I will stop here as I am unsure about the speculating rules on this forum and I don't want to offend or break any rules.

I agree and I'm of the same opinion. No matter how many times I try to make sense of the story, it just doesn't add up. With the latest timeline and version, I think it even more suspicious. Something tragic happened that morning and it wasn't an abduction and I can understand why LE is stumped and hasn't ruled anybody out.

 

[lishac23]

Has it been mentioned anywhere what this "hunting issue" was that Drew had called about? IS it possible that he was hunting behind the house and called because he saw someone lurking around/on the property?

 

[~n/t~]

Has it been mentioned anywhere what this "hunting issue" was that Drew had called about? IS it possible that he was hunting behind the house and called because he saw someone lurking around/on the property?

He was supposed to hunt on Grandmas property (land) but when he got there the relative didn't recognize him. I'm guessing that's what caused the phone calls.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I was trying to put myself in Karen's place and how I would react. I understand that everyone would react differently but I still wanted to
share what I would "think" if a neighbor called and said her son had heard screams. My reaction would have been that someone or something got hurt. Perhaps that my daughter had run over the dog leaving for school or she fell and twisted her ankle or worse yet broke it. But...and a big but (lol one t)
if my daughter or my family had received threats or there was conflict with someone recently my mind would race to a much more sinister thought immediately.

EXACTLY!!!:great:.....and I think you explained it better--Thanks Plum!

 

[Plumeria5]

EXACTLY!!!:great:.....and I think you explained it better--Thanks Plum!

Awww...shucks! :innocent:

 

[concentric]

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111009/NEWS25/110090330

"Nothing is the same, and I don't feel like anything will be the same without Holly," Karen said. "I still feel like there is somebody out there who knows something, but isn't telling it. It may be something normal, something they have not previously realized would be important."
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What do all of you make of the above comment? Do you think Karen has received info. that LE is investigating a viable suspect(s)? Or do you think they have nothing?

 

[~n/t~]

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111009/NEWS25/110090330

"Nothing is the same, and I don't feel like anything will be the same without Holly," Karen said. "I still feel like there is somebody out there who knows something, but isn't telling it. It may be something normal, something they have not previously realized would be important."
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What do all of you make of the above comment? Do you think Karen has received info. that LE is investigating a viable suspect(s)? Or do you think they have nothing?

She contradicts what LE is asking the public to do. IIRC, LE asked the public to look for anything out of the "normal". Someone missing school or work, selling their vehicle, acting strangely which makes total sense when a crime is committed.

Karen says it may be something "normal". Well, if it's normal, then people don't question it, KWIM?

To answer your question, no I do not believe LE shared everything with the Bobos.

Also, although I'm glad we got this piece from the Jackson Sun, it is not what I expected. People were asked to write in to give their thoughts about the case. Perhaps this was to answer some of the questions readers had, IDK.

It wasn't a AHA... now I know Holly was definitely abducted and this is why.. It left me with more questions than answers.