TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

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  • #1,061
http://m.jacksonsun.com/news/article?a=2011110130314&f=645
Holly Bobo's family questions early handling of investigation

Here are some snippets-
"A lot of people stuck their nose in law enforcement business that day, and too many people showed up there at one time," Wyatt said. "We were trying to keep people away as best as we could, but when you have a few hundred people showing up, it is hard to do."

Wyatt said the deputies had a hard time keeping people from going into the backyard, but that no one walked around the area where Holly was last seen.

But Clint said people walked all around the area where he last saw his sister and that this was one of his largest concerns.

"As I was writing my statement, I guess I kind of had a feeling that we might not get Holly back right away," Clint said. "So I was trying to preserve the crime scene and keep it from being disrupted because I knew the only thing we might have would be footprints, and I knew if someone stepped on them, then that's ruined.

Wyatt said deputies did not want to enter the area or allow others to do so for fear that they would impair some evidence that might be found and because they were waiting on a search dog and trying to gather information leading them to go a certain direction.

There are two types of search dogs. A hot-trail dog is good for a trail that is about 15 minutes old. A cold-trail dog can pick up a scent over a longer period of time.

"It was so disorganized I got disgusted," Middleton(local resident) said. "I've hunted all my life, and I can tell if someone has been in my deer stand two weeks before, but what happened in those woods was a mess. Volunteers were trying to help, but at the same time some of them didn't know what they were doing.
"My wife has lived in Darden all her life, and she still gets turned around on those back roads," Middleton said. "To drive in and drive out, you would to know those back roads."

The family mostly has remained quiet up about the investigation at the advice of the TBI and have been told very little, they said. Mehr said it is the policy of the TBI not to release information about an investigation until it has been solved. He also said no one is cleared as a suspect until the case is solved.

Investigators have said that whoever abducted Holly was in the area dressed in camouflage before 7:40 a.m. and left the woods after 7:55. Anyone driving on those roads early that morning around those times could be a suspect, authorities have said. Also, anyone known to have been turkey hunting in the area that morning could also be a suspect.
"You had people giving out water bottles and sandwiches in plastic bags to the volunteers, and the volunteers were throwing down the bags and bottles and other volunteers were asking if it was evidence," Middleton said. "With the people ripping through the woods on four-wheelers in the rain, you wouldn't be able to track anybody."

"We encourage people not to buy in to what they see on these blogs that are circulating the Internet," Mehr said. "Many of these sites say they are sending information to the TBI, but we may never receive that information. Also, they print rumors that are misleading to people.

BBM:
Oh, boy.
There are not just two types of search dogs.

And this particular volunteer-based search was one of the many that are poorly coordinated, but well intentioned. And it does NOT mean that CB-or DS- or anyone else in the community is responsible for Holly's abduction.

It means that small LE depts (which exist everywhere, btw) often do not know how to run effective searches, and/or process potential evidence.

That does not mean that they have not since passed a case to other LE agencies who have the resources to do so.



NONE of this means Holly was not kidnapped. :(

And I think I better step out of this one.
 
  • #1,062
You know, this doesn't have me in stiches at all.

I think it's indicative of a family and a community that care a whole lot about one another.

It's sad to me that people think that's absurd.


There is no doubt in my mind if I had a similar delima I would rather walk out the door or call though window and just ask my question to HB in person.I find it akward for Clint to be peeking through windows~making several calls to his mother~calling HB cell~calling Drew's cell~ before finally just walking out the door and seeking out Holly to assure himself nothing
hinky is going
on. It just seems like common sense and the fact it is easier not to mention
saving time and umpteen cell calls.

The above quote from my previous post is what I was referring to. I was trying and perhaps.... was unsuccessful in illustrating that all the cell phone calls were an akward way,in hindsight ...to check on her safty. I just cannot track Clint's story why the excessive# of cell calls....when simply calling out to HB,"Are you OK" would have been so simple.

I was responding by my "absurb" comment to another poster who echoed my confusion by the # of cell phone calls.

Both my husband and I hope for Holly to found safe and this terrible nightmare to end for her family and friends.

MOO
 
  • #1,063
Are there types of dogs who sense confusion on the part of WS posters? Wait! What's that baying at my door?!
 
  • #1,064
Even the locals who have lived there for years believe this is someone who absolutely had to have known their way around!!

I will continue to stick to my theory.
 
  • #1,065
So LE had no control of the scene. The person who took Holly could have been right there the whole time. I wondered way back when why they allowed V -Searchers in the woods when there was a suspect on the loose. I posted then they must believe the suspect was out of the woods due to that. Guess not.

Interesting to think Clint figured they might not get Holly back right away. I would have thought she was just right here ,she is close.
JMO

BBM That part caught my eye right away. Kinda made me wonder.
 
  • #1,066
Ooops! I am so sorry that I didn't know it was turkey season then when I posted.
 
  • #1,067
I love this quote:

"I don't believe that was the case," Mehr said. "We have to believe what was told to us by the initial responders, and the other thing is that we have a written record of what we saw and what we were told that morning. Other people may try to remember what happened or what they said, but we have a record of it. And I have no doubt the initial responders told us the truth."

This tells me....read between the lines.
 
  • #1,068
Are there types of dogs who sense confusion on the part of WS posters? Wait! What's that baying at my door?!

It's the scent dogs barking at the turkey perched upon the bust of Pallas just above your chamber door.

Ignore me, I'm warped.:innocent:
 
  • #1,069
I love this quote:

"I don't believe that was the case," Mehr said. "We have to believe what was told to us by the initial responders, and the other thing is that we have a written record of what we saw and what we were told that morning. Other people may try to remember what happened or what they said, but we have a record of it. And I have no doubt the initial responders told us the truth."

This tells me....read between the lines.

This Mehr fellow was the first key to my thinking early on that the case would stay unsolved.
 
  • #1,070
OHH OHHH - The blame game begins...haven't finished reading yet.

Holly Bobo's family questions early handling of investigation

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111013/NEWS25/110130314

Just read the JS article, and looks like valuable time, and evidence was lost right from the beginning.

No road blocks on outer roads (police say "someone could of passed the perps on the road)--Great!:banghead:

Tracks were useless due to an abundance of people tramping into the woods--on foot as well as ATV's --Great!!:banghead:

Blood evidence disturbed until Dana had to use lawn chairs to cordon off:banghead: Great!

Who knows what else was lost in this "Mess" as quoted by a fellow hunter and resident.

The one redeeming bit of information they may have to work with is in checking the hunting licenses of the people out that day, since they seem to think it may have been someone hunting in the area.

There seems to be enough blame to go around about the way this case has been handled . Unfortunately Holly's young life may have been lost due to the mistakes made that day. This is heartbreaking .:sick:
 
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Are there types of dogs who sense confusion on the part of WS posters? Wait! What's that baying at my door?!

That would be your pup at the door, wfgodot.

And yes! Can you believe it?! We're now training dogs on internet confusion! And MEDIA confusion!! So far, success rates have been high. They can smell it a mile away. Especially when it stinks. :banghead:

Ok, off rant but probably not for long... because I am increasingly frustrated by the assumptions made that:

#1- ALL small/rural LE depts don't care about missing persons.
#2- ALL small/rural LE depts are completely inept.
#3- ALL small/rural LE depts don't call for assistance from other agencies as soon as they realize they need it.
#4- Assistance from other agencies is public knowledge
and of course...
#5 -ALL media outlets provide accurate info to the public.

Yes, peeps- I understand what we have to work with here.
But maybe- just maybe- the assumptions are out of control here. Kwim?

Ok, now fully off rant.
 
  • #1,072
This Mehr fellow was the first key to my thinking early on that the case would stay unsolved.

"Stay" unsolved, like forever, until maybe someone comes across a body while out picking mushrooms or something? Oh, I hope not, there are too many out there already.
 
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Personally, if I was one of the early searchers, I'd be really offended by what the family said.

Gosh it's a lot more than what Clint did who was right there only a few feet away when this was going down.

These folks wanted to get to rescue Holly minutes into finding out what happened to her.
 
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There is no doubt in my mind if I had a similar delima I would rather walk out the door or call though window and just ask my question to HB in person.I find it akward for Clint to be peeking through windows~making several calls to his mother~calling HB cell~calling Drew's cell~ before finally just walking out the door and seeking out Holly to assure himself nothing hinky is going
on. It just seems like common sense and the fact it is easier not to mention
saving time and umpteen cell calls.

The above quote from my previous post is what I was referring to. I was trying and perhaps.... was unsuccessful in illustrating that all the cell phone calls were an akward way,in hindsight ...to check on her safty. I just cannot track Clint's story why the excessive# of cell calls....when simply calling out to HB,"Are you OK" would have been so simple.

I was responding by my "absurb" comment to another poster who echoed my confusion by the # of cell phone calls.

Both my husband and I are hoping for a happy reunion for Holly and her friends and family.

MOO

Clint had a handgun- why would he be so terrified about someone in his garage? Why didn't he just open the door and see what was what? This whole story is a riddle wrapped around a core of baloney.
 
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That would be your pup at the door, wfgodot.

And yes! Can you believe it?! We're now training dogs on internet confusion! And MEDIA confusion!! So far, success rates have been high. They can smell it a mile away. Especially when it stinks. :banghead:

Ok, off rant but probably not for long... because I am increasingly frustrated by the assumptions made that:

#1- ALL small/rural LE depts don't care about missing persons.
#2- ALL small/rural LE depts are completely inept.
#3- ALL small/rural LE depts don't call for assistance from other agencies as soon as they realize they need it.
#4- Assistance from other agencies is public knowledge
and of course...
#5 -ALL media outlets provide accurate info to the public.

Yes, peeps- I understand what we have to work with here.
But maybe- just maybe- the assumptions are out of control here. Kwim?
Ok, now fully off rant.

Actually, I'm not sure what you mean. I haven't seen any that I thought were out of control, not that I remember anyway. Which assumptions are you referring to?
 
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That would be your pup at the door, wfgodot.

And yes! Can you believe it?! We're now training dogs on internet confusion! And MEDIA confusion!! So far, success rates have been high. They can smell it a mile away. Especially when it stinks. :banghead:

Ok, off rant but probably not for long... because I am increasingly frustrated by the assumptions made that:

#1- ALL small/rural LE depts don't care about missing persons.
#2- ALL small/rural LE depts are completely inept.
#3- ALL small/rural LE depts don't call for assistance from other agencies as soon as they realize they need it.
#4- Assistance from other agencies is public knowledge
and of course...
#5 -ALL media outlets provide accurate info to the public.

Yes, peeps- I understand what we have to work with here.
But maybe- just maybe- the assumptions are out of control here. Kwim?

Ok, now fully off rant.



I said it before and I'll say it again. LE needs to take Clint's version of what happened and trash it. If it doesn't make sense, it's a lie.
 
  • #1,077
Personally, if I was one of the early searchers, I'd be really offended by what the family said.

Gosh it's a lot more than what Clint did who was right there only a few feet away when this was going down.

These folks wanted to get to rescue Holly minutes into finding out what happened to her.

BBM I think you just explained why Clint didn't follow Holly and the camo guy into the woods - he wanted to preserve the crime scene, protect the footprints.
 
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BBM I think you just explained why Clint didn't follow Holly and the camo guy into the woods - he wanted to preserve the crime scene, protect the footprints.

:floorlaugh: What a guy! He thinks of preserving evidence in the midst of his sister being kidnapped.

Forget Holly, I want to preserve evidence. C'mon! Does that make sense in the real world?
 
  • #1,079
[...] I am increasingly frustrated by the assumptions made that:
#2- ALL small/rural LE depts are completely inept.
snip-snip-snippity-snip

I never thought that at all. I didn't think inept entered the picture till TBI ambled onto the scene.

Benefit of the doubt for all up-against-it small area LE. No quarter for state agencies.
 
  • #1,080
snip-snip-snippity-snip

I never thought that at all. I didn't think inept entered the picture till TBI ambled onto the scene.

Benefit of the doubt for all up-against-it small area LE. No quarter for state agencies.

wfgodot- that was not directed at you at all. Just my frustration regarding this situation overall, and used your post to jump off of. Sorry- should have clarified.
 
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