TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[Morag]

:floorlaugh: What a guy! He thinks of preserving evidence in the midst of his sister being kidnapped.

Forget Holly, I want to preserve evidence. C'mon! Does that make sense in the real world?

If my sister is being drug or led away by someone my mother is afraid of, and I have a handy loaded handgun, I run out there yelling and screaming, and maybe even firing into the air! I certainly don't think, oh, there goes a scary stranger dragging Elvira into the woods, I better preserve the footprints so that the local constabulary can solve the crime.

I am beginning to think that this whole story is a word which begins with h and ends with x.

Is it too late to polygraph a few of the people involved in this case?

 

[Oriah]

:floorlaugh: What a guy! He thinks of preserving evidence in the midst of his sister being kidnapped.

Forget Holly, I want to preserve evidence. C'mon! Does that make sense in the real world?

Sadly, it does in MY real world. And the real world of a few other people I know.

 

[~n/t~]

I love the details. Dad had "pink" tape or whatever it was that was used to block off the area. Coincidentally, that's Holly's favourite colour.

 

[wfgodot]

wfgodot- that was not directed at you at all. Just my frustration regarding this situation overall, and used your post to jump off of. Sorry- should have clarified.

That's okay, O., I didn't think it was. And I do feel a bit guilty, finger-pointing at LE when my actual knowledge of the case is much less than theirs. All I have to go on is "strong feelings," and that's on the same level as "psychic knowledge." Low. Still, though, I'm waiting (and waiting) for them to prove me wrong.

Their silence seems to mock those who wish the case resolved.

 

[~n/t~]

Sadly, it does in MY real world. And the real world of a few other people I know.

You would risk your sister's life to preserve evidence? You have got to be kidding me? Well....you're a first. I have never in the years following true crime cases have heard a victim's family more concerned about preserving evidence than saving their loved ones life. Never. Some risk their own life to save them.

 

[Soulmagent]

I believe Holly was Kidnapped. There is nothing else to believe IMO.

What I have wondered is ,if the kidnapping happened earlier. And the family had demands made on them , and that information is not being released.

I have nothing that indicates that is the case but all the phone calls that early when people are starting the day which is already planned. Drew hunting Holly test ,mom dad at work clint's paper. Waking at 430 to study.. I have a 20 year old and that alone makes me wonder if the time Holly was up at 430 is a timeframe that should be looked at.

My 20Yo community college kid would not get up at 430 to study. She would stay up until 430 doing that. Everyone is different I suppose.

SPECULATION.
Like if the home invasion reports where because there was one, and that info is being witheld and the searchers were safe in the woods because LE did know the abductor was not there anymore.

 

[Trident]

I love the details. Dad had "pink" tape or whatever it was that was used to block off the area. Coincidentally, that's Holly's favourite colour.

At least it wasn't Henkel's duct tape.

On that happy note, I believe this is one case the Anthony's, and their foundation could be of use on. I'll betcha CA could figure out these changing stories pretty quick, we've seen her in action.

 

[Morag]

I believe Holly was Kidnapped. There is nothing else to believe IMO.

What I have wondered is ,if the kidnapping happened earlier. And the family had demands made on them , and that information is not being released.

I have nothing that indicates that is the case but all the phone calls that early when people are starting the day which is already planned. Drew hunting Holly test ,mom dad at work clint's paper. Waking at 430 to study.. I have a 20 year old and that alone makes me wonder if the time Holly was up at 430 is a timeframe that should be looked at.

My 20Yo community college kid would not get up at 430 to study. She would stay up until 430 doing that. Everyone is different I suppose.

Copy that about the 430am! But Holly's friend was on the phone with her much later, and surely she wouldn't make that up? What could be so awful and threatening that a family and a friend would tell lies to the public and LE in order to save themselves?

 

[Oriah]

You would risk your sister's life to preserve evidence? You have got to be kidding me? Well....you're a first. I have never in the years following true crime cases have heard a victim's family more concerned about preserving evidence than saving their loved ones life. Never. Some risk their own life to save them.

I don't have a sister, but if I did- yes, I surely would risk my life for her at any cost. But my line of work also leads me to preserve evidence immediately; and in addition to that, were I to think she was a victim of a violent crime, and she was nowhere to be found... heck yeah, I'd be on preservation of evidence like white on rice.

But that's just me, I guess.

 

[Soulmagent]

Sadly, it does in MY real world. And the real world of a few other people I know.

In a professional position,yes .I see how you see it different.

Let someone try dragging my sister in the woods I know I will react. I might get hurt but I am going to try ,even in the face of hopelessness.

Someone attacked my kid when she was 18. A grown person. I attacked back in a panic.

It is the only thing I have ever gotten on my record and I appealed and won that but it shows appealed. I am quite mad about it. FWIW
You freeze or you react. I am a reactor.

I saved people from drowning because I react.
I saved my daughter from whatever angry woman was going to do.
I saved myself from a few bad spots.One having a gun pointed at me in a very random incident.

In all of those cases I never once thought to preserve evidence or to wait until someone came and fixed it.

Had he said he frooze and didnt know what to do ,it would have sounded honest . I dont know if he has been raw with himself and his own feelings or not but it sounds as if he isnt being truthful due to the details he adds and changes on his own perception on the abduction. It maybe because he hasnt confronted himself with his true emotions of that day and the events.

Which is what I think to be the case.

 

[Plumeria5]

This is just me but...if even my dog were taken into the woods by someone I would have immediately followed them. By the time police arrived I would be so deep into the woods they might never find me! There is no way I would be able to wait for help. :truce:

 

[Morag]

I don't have a sister, but if I did- yes, I surely would risk my life for her at any cost. But my line of work also leads me to preserve evidence immediately; and in addition to that, were I to think she was a victim of a violent crime, and she was nowhere to be found... heck yeah, I'd be on preservation of evidence like white on rice.

But that's just me, I guess.

But Holly wasn't nowhere to be found-then. She was seen by CB while he spoke with his mother who told him to get a gun and go after them. She was at most a few steps ahead of him. He saw the blood, and he still stood there thinking about turkeys. Then he turned into a crime scene investigator worried about evidence while his sister was being led/dragged into the woods by a dangerous stranger.

 

[wfgodot]

From the Jackson Sun 10.10 article:

Mehr said it is the policy of the TBI not to release information about an investigation until it has been solved.

There's policy, and there's such a thing as hiding behind policy. The reason to hide behind policy in this case is to protect the fact that your investigation has failed.

 

[Oriah]

But Holly wasn't nowhere to be found-then. She was seen by CB while he spoke with his mother who told him to get a gun and go after them. She was at most a few steps ahead of him. He saw the blood, and he still stood there thinking about turkeys. Then he turned into a crime scene investigator worried about evidence while his sister was being led/dragged into the woods by a dangerous stranger.

He thought the person with Holly was Drew. He was completely perplexed. It happens.

And we have no idea how far ahead Holly and her abductor were at that time, because we do not know the mode or speed of travel that was used.

 

[wfgodot]

Another puzzler from the agent:

"We encourage people not to buy in to what they see on these blogs that are circulating the Internet," Mehr said.

Hm. Do you suppose it's because the internet has, for some mysterious reason, become the only source of information on this case?

 

[Soulmagent]

Copy that about the 430am! But Holly's friend was on the phone with her much later, and surely she wouldn't make that up? What could be so awful and threatening that a family and a friend would tell lies to the public and LE in order to save themselves?

I thought about the friend and not knowing things like if this friend was at Holly's the night before and or at 430 in the morning or called and the culprit answered the phone and was included in whatever demands the family was also in. I mean how odd is it we have two 20 year old up at 530?

Speculation..

IF ....

The friend calls Holly and the kidnapper answers with demands. Dont call LE ..and get money keys to the car etc..
The friend could have called drew. Drewed called Karen ,karen called Dana.. things are weird no one knows what is going on and then Clint gets a call . He is clueless and sees people and asks about who is in with Holly. Hollys there oh good..relief .

Sounds far fetched to clint ,he hears holly and whoever..okay mom is crazy he thinks... the friend who told story who is the only one to talk to Holly must be crazy thinks karen until.. the neighbor calls with the scream story and that makes it click ,it is for real.

And Karen calls clint back ,knowing it isnt drew.. and knowing something is wrong...So the plan is failing and the kidnapper must know this due to the phone ringing and Clints conversation (maybe he heard) Clint still hasnt got it because he doesnt know about the friends call...

Could it work this way?

 

[~n/t~]

Another puzzler from the agent:

Hm. Do you suppose it's because the internet has, for some mysterious reason, become the only source of information on this case?

I think he was referring to that SAR and blog that some say is fake.

 

[wfgodot]

I think he was referring to that SAR and blog that some say is fake.

Could have been, but with typical lack of precision, he lumps all of the internet discussion into one handy whipping boy ("blogs") and doesn't even specify which.

 

[concentric]

Waking at 430 to study.. I have a 20 year old and that alone makes me wonder if the time Holly was up at 430 is a timeframe that should be looked at.

My 20Yo community college kid would not get up at 430 to study. She would stay up until 430 doing that. Everyone is different I suppose.
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I bolded that part.
Yep. In college I always got up at 4:30-5:00 to study, type up papers, etc. because I had/have my best energy then. So, Holly probably did as well.

 

[~n/t~]

Personally, I don't blame TBI for not releasing information. We've seen it in other cases where they keep evidence close to their vests. We're seeing it now in the Baby Lisa case. It doesn't mean they have nothing.

Unfortunately, IF mistruths were told in this case, I can understand how that would effect the investigation.