TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[R.U.Kidding!]

I must be the oddball, as I find it hard to believe that LE knows a whole lot more than anyone else as to what happened to Holly, save the guilty party (ies). I also get the feeling that Holly's mom does not believe they know much either.

As far as the alleged ex- boyfriend, he seems to be carrying on with his life, no mention of Holly, except once briefly back in mid-April per his FB. Just lots of vulgarity, a few racial implications, nothing out of the ordinary apparently, seems like a real charmer, JMO.

I cannot help feeling uneasy. It's like we only see the surface, and there is so much more going on. Don't like that feeling.......

 

[x_files]

I must be the oddball, as I find it hard to believe that LE knows a whole lot more than anyone else as to what happened to Holly, save the guilty party (ies). I also get the feeling that Holly's mom does not believe they know much either.

As far as the alleged ex- boyfriend, he seems to be carrying on with his life, no mention of Holly, except once briefly back in mid-April per his FB. Just lots of vulgarity, a few racial implications, nothing out of the ordinary apparently, seems like a real charmer, JMO.

Drew? wow. How sad to not care or search for his missing gf. Things just don't seem right.

 

[cluciano63]

Drew? wow. How sad to not care or search for his missing gf. Things just don't seem right.

No, not Drew...that is why I said "alleged" and highlighted "ex".

 

[Oriah]

I think it's insightful to notice how many LE and SAR professionals have dropped off of this thread. Not Holly's case- but her WS thread.

I'm joining the rest of them.

Hoping and praying Holly is found soon.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

Mr. Noatek,

Really glad you are back on this thread after your absence for a bit. I imagine you to be ensconced in a leather chair in your library at home, having a spot of bletted medlar on toast, with an aged port, grumbling about the noisy neighborhood children (who are somewhat afraid of you), though you secretly put a brand new soccer ball in their yard as you walked your corgi late the previous evening. Please don't shatter my illusions.

Way back when you entered this thread or not long thereafter, you said at one point you could solve this case if you had - was it the answers to three things...? I can't find that post. One of them was who took a lie detector test and what the results were. Or, who did NOT take a test. I can't remember - I was very curious at the time to hear what those three points would reveal. But you never said. Do those three things still stand as being critical to solving this case for you? And what were they, since I can't remember?

My opinions only, no facts here:

I have been previously been warned by the moderator about hinting or baiting (I am innocent I tell you! I have an alibi!), so let me say this properly-

if I had two or three of the following pieces of information from an official source, I would feel that a reasonable suspect could be identified:

Who has taken polygraphs? (I do not need to know the results of the polygraphs)
Did the neighbor hear (beyond any reasonable doubt) a woman scream or is this rumor? [THIS IS NOW ANSWERED!]
What and where was the 'second significant item' found?
Did the search dogs definitely show that Holly was not led into the woods west from the house?
Why did the police conduct a search at the intersection of 5 Forks and Swan Johnson Road?
Why did the police conduct a search north of Bible Hill (where the lunch bag or box was found)?
Why has the indentify of the 'second significant item' not been revealed to the public?

The crime feels premeditated, in two possible ways: the perpetrator knew all about the victim through direct and regular contact, OR, the perpetrator was on the fringes of the victim's social sphere and acquired information from "a distance".

To quote what I said a long time ago: "Currently I hold out a small chance that Holly is still alive (5%). I would not hold out any hope in an ordinary case, but this is not an ordinary case. Regardless of where the investigation is being directed, I favor 3:1 that Holly is within four miles of her house, but obviously my ratio shows that I do not rule out her being farther away, even out of state."

Another statement I previously made, that still works for me: "This is a big IF, but if the scanty information we have been provided is correct regarding witness accounts, timing, and physical evidence, I hypothesize that Holly was led NE or SE from the house to a waiting vehicle on or near Swan Johnson Road. From there the vehicle traveled north to the intersection of 5 Forks and Swan Johnson Road. Somewhere after that she is no longer in the vehicle and evidence is placed in various areas (I believe more items remain to be found) while traveling on a circuitous clockwise route around the general area of the crime." The rumored two pieces of evidence make no sense; why would a perpetrator hide evidence in plain sight? For crying out loud, just stick the evidence under a log or whatever. The evidence was either planted by the perpetrator to mislead investigators or the perpetrator was really panicky and immature. But if the latter were true, the perpetrator would have been caught bragging about the crime by now.

It has occurred to me that the police may have recovered skin cell DNA from the "significant items" that were found, but cannot get a match from those whom they have tested. It has also occurred to me that the police may be waiting to see if the bill to allow familial DNA in Tennessee passes and becomes law on Jan. 1, 2012. This is a big deal. With familial DNA, even if you cannot get a direct match, you may discover a near-match from a relative who has previously committed a serious crime. You can then go and monitor or question family members, to identify other black sheep relatives. This is a VERY POWERFUL investigative tool.

Heck, my glass of sherry is getting low!

 

[Mr. Noatak]

ITA, TxLady.

I come from a very diverse family.

If I was abducted by a stranger tomorrow, I guarantee:
At least one of my sibs would come across as 'simple' (and therefore guilty.)
One would come across as arrogant and defensive (and therefore guilty).
One would come across as extremely intelligent and sweet (and therefore guilty.)
Several of my closest friends would come across as 'hicks' because no one would be able to understand their dialect (and therefore guilty.)
And several of my other closest friends would come across as rich, snooty, and 'connected' (and therefore guilty.)
My parents would come across as religious freaks (and therefore guilty.)
And my significant other? Well, he spent 20+ yrs in the Special Forces... (Guilty of course!)

But you know what? NONE of that would be the case. None of it.

Off rant. But had to get that off my chest.

Oh Holly, where are you? We are still searching for you. I'm on YOUR side of the fence, Holly.

My opinions only, no facts here:

You are entirely correct. I always consider this in a case. If any citizen of this country is put under the microscope, suspicious elements will be viewed. This is why family members and close friends should take polygraphs on day one. It prevents the investigators from following false leads and greatly enhances the solution of the crime.

 

[Plumeria5]

A young, happy Holly...I had never seen this picture before.

Holly in lime green and Clint is in Abercrombie shirt.

 

[CanManEh]

Does Anyone know what happend to holly's cousin the country singer . Did she end up going on survivor and has it aired yet. I don't watch the show but i thought she was sapose to bring all this attention to holly's case . I havn't heard one thing about it, So anyone know whats her status is she still on the show .did the show air on tv yet ?

 

[houndstooth]

A young, happy Holly...I had never seen this picture before.View attachment 19301

Holly in lime green and Clint is in Abercrombie shirt.

This photo has me puzzled. The other two girls that appeared with Holly
in the karaoke video look the same as they did there. But, for some reason
Holly looks very different.

Clint looks even shorter than Holly and considerably different also. 5 foot nothing! I think the elevated camera shot looking down tends to make them appear like they are much younger. Also having very tall men in the back gives that impression.

I had seen this before. I think on that same photobucket group, there is
a couple of a front porch scene with ducks of drew, CB, and "LB" maybe?, that were puzzling also.

The background stays the same as far as location of a muddy boot. Presumably one of theirs. And a little wooden reindeer or something.
But the number of ducks and what they are wearing changes. The mix and match of camo seems intentional because the boot as I said doesn't change location. Like it was supposed to be a subsequent trip. It struck me as odd.
Because it looked so staged. Not for the purpose of displaying dead birds of varying numbers, but to give the impression of something else.
I can't imagine laying the birds on concrete porch like that because it would leave permanent stains. And I am positive they weren't going to pluck them there or dress them in any way.
I think I also recall reading in a post purportedly by CB that they had killed 86 one time.

I am not a duck hunter or know anything about it, but for some reason that seemed like an extreme number like maybe he doesn't really know what would be a reasonable number of ducks to be killed by a couple or three guys in an afternoon hunt.


Oh yeah, got sidetracked there. The green shirt looks like it was meant to be (or IS) the same shirt she is wearing in her Amber Alert photo in her car. And CB is wearing the same shirt he is wearing as in the b/w photo on a vacay shot with Mom and Holly.

 

[houndstooth]

I share your frustration. Mine got even worse over the past few days while I have been trying to research other things about the Parsons/Darden area. Early on I completely discounted the theories about "powerful" people and secrecy in the community - but the past few days have started to change my mind. Trying to learn about previous deaths, missing persons and crime in that area is like going back in time 50 years. It could just be that the area is far enough away from major media markets that finding anything in print or via the web is unlikely but there are brick walls and dead ends at every turn.

My personal opinion is that the community wants this case to "go away". The reasoning behind it could many different things related to the unwanted spotlight or attention. All I can say is that cursory research into criminal activities and deaths/disappearances of young people in that area raises enough red flags to make me want to dig even deeper. :waitasec:

I also get the impression that there are people in some quarters who just want the case to "go away".
But, I also get the impression that it was meant to achieve a spotlight or attention, by some, but was never thought to be so much continued attention by "the public", or desired to be so much attention from the public NOW. I take those cues from the silence by LE.

 

[~n/t~]

This photo has me puzzled. The other two girls that appeared with Holly
in the karaoke video look the same as they did there. But, for some reason
Holly looks very different.

Clint looks even shorter than Holly and considerably different also. 5 foot nothing! I think the elevated camera shot looking down tends to make them appear like they are much younger. Also having very tall men in the back gives that impression.

I had seen this before. I think on that same photobucket group, there is
a couple of a front porch scene with ducks of drew, CB, and "LB" maybe?, that were puzzling also.

The background stays the same as far as location of a muddy boot. Presumably one of theirs. And a little wooden reindeer or something.
But the number of ducks and what they are wearing changes. The mix and match of camo seems intentional because the boot as I said doesn't change location. Like it was supposed to be a subsequent trip. It struck me as odd.
Because it looked so staged. Not for the purpose of displaying dead birds of varying numbers, but to give the impression of something else.
I can't imagine laying the birds on concrete porch like that because it would leave permanent stains. And I am positive they weren't going to pluck them there or dress them in any way.
I think I also recall reading in a post purportedly by CB that they had killed 86 one time.

I am not a duck hunter or know anything about it, but for some reason that seemed like an extreme number like maybe he doesn't really know what would be a reasonable number of ducks to be killed by a couple or three guys in an afternoon hunt.


Oh yeah, got sidetracked there. The green shirt looks like it was meant to be the same shirt she is wearing in her Amber photo. And CB is wearing the same shirt he is wearing as in the b/w photo on a vacay shot with Mom and Holly.

OMG! I kept looking for ducks in the photo. I couldn't understand why there were no ducks and thought it was my computer. :floorlaugh:

 

[houndstooth]

I hope someone can post the rest of that photobucket link again. Then we'll talk some more about ducks!

You don't have a comment about how different this Holly looks, in the meantime?
This Clint? This was when possibly only a year ago? Is the bucket dated?

 

[~n/t~]

Does Anyone know what happend to holly's cousin the country singer . Did she end up going on survivor and has it aired yet. I don't watch the show but i thought she was sapose to bring all this attention to holly's case . I havn't heard one thing about it, So anyone know whats her status is she still on the show .did the show air on tv yet ?

I don't watch the show either but she apparently did appear. I have no idea what if anything she did to bring attention to Holly. Wearing pink bracelet :dunno:

http://tasteofcountry.com/whitney-duncan-holly-bobo-survivor/

Clint Bobo's cousin, country music singer Whitney Duncan, recently tweeted about the speculation around him.

"They don't know all the facts, because if they knew the facts, they would not be pointing the finger," said Karen Bobo. "Anytime anybody speaking negatively about Clint, Whitney is extremely defensive about that."

http://www.kait8.com/story/15340074/holly-bobos-mother-contacts-tbi-every-day

 

[~n/t~]

I hope someone can post the rest of that photobucket link again. Then we'll talk some more about ducks!

You don't have a comment about how different this Holly looks, in the meantime?
This Clint? This was when possibly only a year ago? Is the bucket dated?

I thought they were turkeys.:waitasec: They both look younger in this photo. Yah I figure about a year. Wonder where that picture was taken?

 

[houndstooth]

Huh?? You lost me.
There were two photos on this same photobucket group that I saw about a month ago.
But, I spent a good bit of time on it, so I'll describe what I recall.

The scene on both is the front porch of the Bobos.
In one photo, there is a line of maybe 8 ducks of different varieties or sex. Considering Mallard males I think look different than females. Their heads are hanging off the porch front. All three guys I mentioned are dressed in camo or camo/jean combo.

Then in the other photo the same three guys kneeling in front of maybe 14 ducks same poses on knees with duck heads hanging off. Now they are dressed in DIFFERENT camo, a jacket tossed in a chair, yeah, but still doesn't match to previous camo dress, more ducks, but the muddy boot one took off is still in exactly the same place in both scenes.


Edit: Oh, I see you changed week to year. You threw me to start with. lol.

 

[houndstooth]

Here again is the thing that makes me puzzled, though. If that photo was taken last year, she would have been 19 going on 20, but doesn't look the same. She even is wearing the same shirt as last photo. See.

The other two girls who appeared in the one and only video taken in Nov/Dec 2010 look the same more or less pictured here.

Yet, it seems the photo was designed to make it appear that both Clint and Holly were like 14 or 15 years old or something, if you were just glancing through. Like they were back at summer camp.
??? The photos that have accompanied this case have stumped me no end.

If taken last year that would make Clint, 24 going on 25?

[???sigh]

 

[~n/t~]

Huh?? You lost me.
There were two photos on this same photobucket group that I saw about a month ago.
But, I spent a good bit of time on it, so I'll describe what I recall.

The scene on both is the front porch of the Bobos.
In one photo, there is a line of maybe 8 ducks of different varieties or sex. Considering Mallard males I think look different than females. Their heads are hanging off the porch front. All three guys I mentioned are dressed in camo or camo/jean combo.

Then in the other photo the same three guys kneeling in front of maybe 14 ducks same poses on knees with duck heads hanging off. Now they are dressed in DIFFERENT camo, a jacket tossed in a chair, yeah, but still doesn't match to previous camo dress, more ducks, but the muddy boot one took off is still in exactly the same place in both scenes.


Edit: Oh, I see you changed week to year. You threw me to start with. lol.

No worries. I'm probably confused. I didn't pay much attention to the photo when I first saw it and assumed they were turkeys considering they were die hard turkey hunters. (If it's the same photo you're referring to).

 

[~n/t~]

Here again is the thing that makes me puzzled, though. If that photo was taken last year, she would have been 19 going on 20, but doesn't look the same. She even is wearing the same shirt as last photo. See.

The other two girls who appeared in the one and only video taken in Nov/Dec 2010 look the same more or less pictured here.

Yet, it seems the photo was designed to make it appear that both Clint and Holly were like 14 or 15 years old or something, if you were just glancing through. Like they were back at summer camp.
??? The photos that have accompanied this case have stumped me no end.

If taken last year that would make Clint, 24 going on 25?

[???sigh]

Trying to understand what you're getting at. The only difference I see in Holly is less makeup or no makeup in that photo and perhaps that's why she appears younger. As for Clint, his hair is longer. I don't know his height but he does appear a lot shorter than the 2 men pictured.

Are you suggesting this photo is a fake?

 

[houndstooth]

I am referring to two photos. Definitely ducks on the Bobos front porch.
Although the house from street photos I've seen, it doesn't appear to be constructed of gray stone.
On the closeups, it is. [shrug].

PS
I went back to the poster who put up the 'summer camp' photo, Plumeria's and noted even she stated, a "young" Holly, but in reality it might have been taken less than a year before the April incident.

 

[houndstooth]

Trying to understand what you're getting at. The only difference I see in Holly is less makeup or no makeup in that photo and perhaps that's why she appears younger. As for Clint, his hair is longer. I don't know his height but he does appear a lot shorter than the 2 men pictured.

Are you suggesting this photo is a fake?

In that it's been tampered with? No. (More to give a false impression, so it seems).

Now the duck pics I don't know. I just can't see guys changing their camo to take two poses with different amount of ducks though.


Here is my take: It was not the sort of photos that experienced duck hunter's would take?
Maybe laid out on the back of a truck, or maybe near the hunt site. But, NOT on Mom's front porch. There was no shotgun in the scenes like you would probably have if you were being photoed with your "kill".

Honestly, what it looked like to me is guy's dressed up in different sets of camo that had no relation to the "ducks" that were added later via photoshop.

What I noted also was that these guys were all roughly the same size and build.
And Not that Drew is supposedly some much shorter 5 foot nothing guy? Not unless they all are.

If it weren't for the boot, I would have thought they were two different days hunt, if I were skimming the photos.
But, I learned in the first week, there is much to be gleaned from a closer photo examination of even the most innocuous appearing photos.


I have never come across a case that made me feel this way about the photos of the people it involved, that they were just there as 'props' so to speak to tie individuals and to give an impression about them only.