TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[Oriah]

I wanted to take a look at something else; people who may have interacted with Holly in a personal/private setting:

Using this as an example:

http://mikefesmirephotography.com/seniors_what_to_wear.asp

Maybe we could take a look at 'semi-strangers' who may have come into contact with Holly prior to her abduction- but weren't actually strangers, because they had already gained trust. Companies, schools, contractors, etc.

(BTW- not pointing toward this particular company in ANY way at all. Just using it as a jump off point to look outside of the box, in Holly's case. There are SO many 'semi-strangers' that she may have encountered prior to her abduction. Truly, scary.)

 

[~n/t~]

I wanted to take a look at something else; people who may have interacted with Holly in a personal/private setting:

Using this as an example:

http://mikefesmirephotography.com/seniors_what_to_wear.asp

Maybe we could take a look at 'semi-strangers' who may have come into contact with Holly prior to her abduction- but weren't actually strangers, because they had already gained trust. Companies, schools, contractors, etc.

(BTW- not pointing toward this particular company in ANY way at all. Just using it as a jump off point to look outside of the box, in Holly's case. There are SO many 'semi-strangers' that she may have encountered prior to her abduction. Truly, scary.)

The problem is how do we even get to that point of looking at people who may have interacted with her? The only people that are mentioned in MSM are family members, her bf, pastors, teacher and friend.

There is that "fake" site that some have brought up and regardless of how one feels about it, there is some good information there. Should they be considered in this case? Like Holly's ex boyfriends and their family members? I thought we were only allowed to post names and information that is available in MSM?

We know very little about Holly, really.

We know she sang for her church. Did she have any other singing opportunities in TN or other States? Was she a professional singer or just a "choir girl" who sang for the church? Besides nursing school, do we know if she had any other interests? Did she do some modelling? Where did she hang out for fun when she wasn't with Drew? Or even with Drew? Did she like clubbing? Did she go to bars? Did she go alone on trips? Other cities, states, countries? Did she have any facebook "friends" who were only acquaintances and never met but communicated with in social media setting?

Where do we begin to get some of the answers to these questions?

 

[Oriah]

Where do we begin to get some of the answers to these questions?[/quote]


BBM, and respectfully snipped your post for space, n/t:

Well, I *think* we can look at (and by that, I don't mean sleuth persons not named in MSM, or underage- etc) but just look at the communities that MSM has discussed and sift through info from there. So for example- Holly had 'liked' the above photography studio on her FB page. Go to their website and take a look at the work they do. Note the location, and the other information provided on their website. Look at the pictures we have available of Holly. Do we think maybe this studio took a picture or pictures of Holly for an event? Does it give us a better understanding of the community? Was there a school photographer(s) that passed through Holly's HS or college that may have taken professional pictures of many people local to Holly's community- without 'sleuthing' completely innocent individuals might it help us gain a better understanding of the MANY different people that may have come into contact with Holly prior to her abduction? Which fits with a lot of different MSM articles (and LE released statements) regarding her case.
Does that make any sense?

 

[~n/t~]

Yes makes sense but I wish we had something that was more fact based. Using facebook as an example, it may or may not be a good source. I have "liked" pages because some of my friends were participating in contests. One was a baby pictures site and another one was a cookies place in North Carolina. I have no babies (mine are grown) and I've never been to North Carolina. lol

We also have to be cautious. From following Katelyn Markham's case, many including myself started looking at some of her online diaries or Deviant Art sites. Suddenly, things that could have an innocent explanation could turn out to be suspicious.

I think if we had someone local or someone who could confirm or deny some of the information sleuthed would be very helpful otherwise we just go on a wild goose chase.....or turkey chase in this case. lol

 

[~n/t~]

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed,

Well that worked out really well! You saved us so much research time. Thank you.

I think it's great but saved research time? I looked at that list and :thud: I may have to quit my day job. :floorlaugh:

 

[Oriah]

Yes makes sense but I wish we had something that was more fact based. Using facebook as an example, it may or may not be a good source. I have "liked" pages because some of my friends were participating in contests. One was a baby pictures site and another one was a cookies place in North Carolina. I have no babies (mine are grown) and I've never been to North Carolina. lol

We also have to be cautious. From following Katelyn Markham's case, many including myself started looking at some of her online diaries or Deviant Art sites. Suddenly, things that could have an innocent explanation could turn out to be suspicious.

I think if we had someone local or someone who could confirm or deny some of the information sleuthed would be very helpful otherwise we just go on a wild goose chase.....or turkey chase in this case. lol

Oh, I didn't mean using FB as a fact-based source. I mean that there are MANY investigative avenues out there. Just used FB as an example. Let's say we use what is in MSM. Where did Holly go to school? What was the exam schedule that day? What time would she have left for school if she were scheduled for a certain exam? What is the student body population? What cell providers are common in the area? What about landlines? What's the service like? That sort of thing. There is a LOT of information publically available, that helps to put cases together.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Ok-Where to begin....SmoothOperator posted this timeline, it is the most current and I believe a very good place to start re-thinking this case. New eyes may find things to add or question.

4:30am*Holly awoke to study for an exam @8am. She studied in her room, alone, on her bed, and with the door shut..(time verified only via Holly's telling her mom later that morning)

5:30am*Dana stops at Holly's bedroom door and speaks to Holly thru her closed door asking did she need any money. She replies yes and he leaves it for her on kitchen counter.

5:35am*Dana leaves for work.

5:35am*Karen awoke and went into Holly's room to speak with her. Holly was studying on her bed.

Just shy of 7:00am*Holly is now studying at the kitchen table. Karen packs Holly's lunch and puts her breakfast in the microwave.

7:00am*Karen leaves to go to work(26 min travel time to work)

7:00am*Hannah calls Holly from her home landline on Holly's cell.. Holly indicates she is going to eat her breakfast and put her shoes on to leave.

Almost 7:30am*Holly's at the kitchen table studying when she receives a call from Drew. He proceeds to tell her of the cousin not recognizing him and wasn't giving permission for he and his dad to hunt on her grandma's 60acres located across the county.

7:30-7:35am*A flurry of calls take place between Holly, Drew, and Karen discussing the incident of Drew's not being recognized to hunt grandma's property.

7:35am*Karen speaks to Holly for the last time via cell phone.<Noted that Clint was still in bed asleep.>.

7:40am*James Barnes(neighbor to the south)Hears a scream from the Bobo's house. He alerts his mom(who lived there as well) and then left for work.

Around 7:40am*Cathy Wise(James' mom) calls Karen at school amd leaves her a msg in the office.

7:45am*Karen receives the neighbor's msg while in the school cafeteria.

7:50am*Clint is awakened by the dog barking. He looks out the window and sees no unfamiliar vehicles, but does see Holly's car. This prompts him to call mom as he'd already looked around and knew Holly was not in the home. He says his call was to ask if Holly had received a ride to school or did not have school that day. Mom's phone is in her classroom so he gets no answer.

At some point AFTER 7:50am**mom after receiving neighbor's msg she uses library phone to call home. Clint tells mom that Holly's car is still home. Mom immediately hangs up and calls 911(routed to Henderson Co)

7:50am*After the call Clint looks out the kitchen window and sees his sister and who he believed to be Drew casually walking towards the woods. This prompts him to call Holly's cell. It rings 5 times and goes to voicemail. He then calls Drew's phone.. It rings 5 times and goes to voicemail.<Noted that this assures Clint that Holly/Drew were indeed together with neither answering their cell phone.>.

7:55am*Karen again calls home with Clint relaying he'd just seen Holly/Drew walking towards the woods. Mom immediately tells Clint that is NOT DREW.call 911.Mom then tells Clint to get a gun and go after the man! Mom immediately hangs up and calls 911 a second time.*<Noted that at this time mom still HAD NOT told Clint that Drew had been on the other side of the county hunting.. THO THAT WAS MUCH EARLIER BUT FACT WAS CLINT STATED AT THAT TIME HE STILL BELIEVED IT TO BE DREW.

8:00am*Clint with loaded gun leaves out the backdoor of the residence, walks thru the open garage attached to the house. He sees a puddle of blood near Holly's car. *<Noted that even at this point Clint was still NOT alarmed, still believed it was Drew, and the blood was from a turkey(tho clearly no turkey in site)>.

About 8:00am*Clint walked towards the woods when Cathy Wise pulls up the driveway( James who heard the scream's mother)*<Noted that the school secretary told Cathy to go to the Bobo home to check> Cathy proceeds to tell Clint about the screams she had heard just some 15-20mins prior.[I personally noted that it does state that "she" heard the scream(s), but could just be the author's choice in words and not meaning it that "she" actually heard the scream(s)]
*<Noted it is at this point that Clint becomes alarmed for the first time> .

About 8:00am*Clint calls 911 at the same time as he heard the engines rev of the quickly approaching patrol cars onto their Swan Johnson Rd.
*<Noted that Clint states that the first officers were on the scene IN LESS THAN 10 mins from the time that he saw his sister/male walking towards the woods>

8:00am*Drew is at his job in Parsons

8:00am-ish*Mom arrives home with Terrie Bromley from school.

8:30am*Dana arrives back home.

What is so very obviously omitted in this version of the timeline is that Clint states he awakes at 7:50am to the dog barking and he immediately goes into his checking out thru the windows and saw that Holly's car was still at home, thus prompting him to call mom and ask had she gotten a ride to school... And gone is the murky details of his looking out the window and seeing 2 "silouhettes" inside the attached garage that were in a kneeling position.. Gone too are the details of his account where he is close enough to the two in the garage that he can actually make out that they had "young sounding" voices(way back at the very beginning even stating he believed the voices soundex as tho they were arguing).. This entire chunk of Clint's account of that morning's events are suddenly gone in this new timeline.. Why? They certainly were hammered on and driven home in the JVM interview with him getting very detailed with the set up and location of the attached garage where he'd first seen and heard two people that morning after being awakened by the dog barking.. His going into further detail that it was due to his not knowing who or why they were in their garage that directly led to his making that initial phonecall to mom that morning.. His wanting to know was it Holly and if so who was she with and what were they doing?.. And then the events of the morning pick back up coinciding with this timeline from his mom returning that first phonecall and his learning Holly should infact have already long since been at school for an early morning important exam..

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I think it's great but saved research time? I looked at that list and :thud: I may have to quit my day job. :floorlaugh:

:laugh::lol:-OMG! My thoughts exactly, and was just about to post as much. It's like homework!!!:shocked2:

Anyway. here is where I see a problem!

I started to go back and read all of the articles written on News Channel 5.com.from April 13th. :banghead: Thought it would be good to look at only ONE news source. Well was I wrong.
I found that this case, when written about, has too many "sources" relating the facts to the writer. In a weeks worth of articles sources used were:
Officials, LE, Police, Authorities,Spokespersons for the TBI, FBI,THP(Tennessee Highway Patrol)Sheriff, and Special agent Mehr.

No wonder there is no continuity in the witness account. Had all accounts came from ONE source, well maybe we would have a chance of
making some sense of the events of April 13th.

Maybe we should make a list of "facts" only in this case. Would that help establish a foundation to jump off from??:sigh:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

One more thing, that I find astounding is the amount of "phone calls " made by the Bobo family between 7:30 and 7:50. Let's see ;
7:30-Drew to Holly, Holly to mom, mom to Drew and a few more to constitute a "flurry"
(5) ?
7:40-Neighbor to Karen, Karen to Clint, Karen to 911, Clint to Karen (no answer),Karen back to Clint, Karen to 911, Clint to 911 (7)?

7:50-Clint to Holly's cell ,Clint to Drew (2)?
So between 7:30 and 7:50 -14 phone calls--With all those phone calls it is a wonder Clint could sleep until 7:50....

So Clint must have been up before 7:50, since he called his mom first (no answer)
Then she calls him after 7:40 scream call--he tells her Holly's car is still there
Then Karen calls again while Clint sees them walking in woods at 7:50.
CLint had to be up before 7:50 --wonder if he was a part of the "Flurry"??

 

[wishuwerehere]

On the first morning of turkey hunting season a man dressed in full camo, walked onto the Bobo property:

He encountered Holly (most probably attacked her because of some blood found in the carport);

A scream was let out (presumably by Holly) and heard by a neighbor;

The inside dog was barking (probably the outside dog was barking too, which set off the inside dog to bark, imo);

Clint wakes up and looks outside (did the perp see Clint looking?); Clint&#8217;s vehicle should be parked outside (however, this has never been confirmed);

And &#8211; according to Clint, he sees silhouettes (I assume two) kneeling down in the carport and hears voices (one which sounds younger &#8211; I assume this is the perp &#8211; however, does he recognize Holly&#8217;s voice?)

So, all of this commotion is going on &#8211; yet, the perp takes his time to leave with Holly.

Walks side by side with Holly toward the woods (did not lead her, according to Clint);
(Is the perp concerned about running into other hunters in the woods? How does this perp know who else is hunting in the area?)

And Holly has all of her things w/ her (lunch bag, books, cell phone).

Holly&#8217;s cell was ringing at some point (because Clint said he called her phone, and I&#8217;m going to assume KB was calling her phone too).

WHO could pull this off?
I would greatly appreciate my fellow Websleuthers to please tell me WHO could pull this off. I understand if you do not want (or can&#8217;t) name names, but I implore you to give a description of a personality who could have pulled off the abduction of Holly Bobo. The more ideas we share the better. One shared idea leads to another. I don&#8217;t care who finds the crack, we will all have our prints on the hammer that shatters it.

 

[~n/t~]

In the latest version, IIRC, Clint said the perp may have been wearing a hat and gloves. I believe this latest version confirms the full camo wear. Do we know if the perp is caucasian?

What does this mean?

Bud Grimes, a spokesman for the University of Tennessee at Martin, said Bobo was studying to be a licensed practical nurse through the Tennessee Technology Center. She was taking classes at the university's extension campus in Parsons, but was not a UT-Martin student.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4258854...t/sheriff-no-suspects-abduction-tenn-student/

 

[~n/t~]

On the first morning of turkey hunting season a man dressed in full camo, walked onto the Bobo property:

He encountered Holly (most probably attacked her because of some blood found in the carport);

A scream was let out (presumably by Holly) and heard by a neighbor;

The inside dog was barking (probably the outside dog was barking too, which set off the inside dog to bark, imo);

Clint wakes up and looks outside (did the perp see Clint looking?); Clint’s vehicle should be parked outside (however, this has never been confirmed);

And – according to Clint, he sees silhouettes (I assume two) kneeling down in the carport and hears voices (one which sounds younger – I assume this is the perp – however, does he recognize Holly’s voice?)

So, all of this commotion is going on – yet, the perp takes his time to leave with Holly.

Walks side by side with Holly toward the woods (did not lead her, according to Clint);
(Is the perp concerned about running into other hunters in the woods? How does this perp know who else is hunting in the area?)

And Holly has all of her things w/ her (lunch bag, books, cell phone).

Holly’s cell was ringing at some point (because Clint said he called her phone, and I’m going to assume KB was calling her phone too).

WHO could pull this off?
I would greatly appreciate my fellow Websleuthers to please tell me WHO could pull this off. I understand if you do not want (or can’t) name names, but I implore you to give a description of a personality who could have pulled off the abduction of Holly Bobo. The more ideas we share the better. One shared idea leads to another. I don’t care who finds the crack, we will all have our prints on the hammer that shatters it.

I said it before and will again. I have a huge problem with the timeline. It doesn't make any sense to me. Until that first piece of factual information is confirmed, I'm not sure I can be of much help. It just doesn't add up the way Clint described it. Should we just scrap his timeline?

 

[~n/t~]

Registered sex offenders


http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Parsons-Tennessee.html

 

[wishuwerehere]

I said it before and will again. I have a huge problem with the timeline. It doesn't make any sense to me. Until that first piece of factual information is confirmed, I'm not sure I can be of much help. It just doesn't add up the way Clint described it. Should we just scrap his timeline?

If the timeline doesn’t make sense to you (and you’re not alone), go with your gut and your own common sense approach, and continue to share your ideas here!

~nt~: I still would appreciate an insight into your profile of the perp.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

On the first morning of turkey hunting season a man dressed in full camo, walked onto the Bobo property:

He encountered Holly (most probably attacked her because of some blood found in the carport);

A scream was let out (presumably by Holly) and heard by a neighbor;

The inside dog was barking (probably the outside dog was barking too, which set off the inside dog to bark, imo);

Clint wakes up and looks outside (did the perp see Clint looking?); Clint’s vehicle should be parked outside (however, this has never been confirmed);

And – according to Clint, he sees silhouettes (I assume two) kneeling down in the carport and hears voices (one which sounds younger – I assume this is the perp – however, does he recognize Holly’s voice?)

So, all of this commotion is going on – yet, the perp takes his time to leave with Holly.

Walks side by side with Holly toward the woods (did not lead her, according to Clint);
(Is the perp concerned about running into other hunters in the woods? How does this perp know who else is hunting in the area?)

And Holly has all of her things w/ her (lunch bag, books, cell phone).

Holly’s cell was ringing at some point (because Clint said he called her phone, and I’m going to assume KB was calling her phone too).

WHO could pull this off?
I would greatly appreciate my fellow Websleuthers to please tell me WHO could pull this off. I understand if you do not want (or can’t) name names, but I implore you to give a description of a personality who could have pulled off the abduction of Holly Bobo. The more ideas we share the better. One shared idea leads to another. I don’t care who finds the crack, we will all have our prints on the hammer that shatters it.

Good Place to start: Suspect Profile(WITH THE FACTS WE HAVE NOW)

1) Suspect is known to victim and possibly her family

Indication? Takes his time, must be able to walk up to Holly without causing alarm, Camo for cover as Turkey hunter, probably a hunter, vehicle or plan of escape has to be explainable if it/he is seen, knows terrain and escape roads.
Also no matter how I look at it Clint just did not seem to consider this guy a threat. He had plenty of time to intervene if he was a stranger.

2) Suspect may be 20 to 30 yrs old, white and male

Indication? Young voice, may know Holly from school, friends, a contemporary
White, because of demographics.
Male, strength and motive.

3) Motive: Ex boyfriend, someone infatuated with Holly, feelings not reciprocated,jealousy, and the possibility there is something that transpired earlier that morning, or prior to the 13th.
** I believe it is what we don't know about the victim that is the key to motive.

4)May be trusted by victim

Indication? They spend time talking, she brings all her belongings with her even lunch, as if he was asking her to go with him for some reason, she feels she will be coming back.A report also states there was ripped pages from a school book found.

*I believe he had transportation close to disappear with Holly once at the woods--If it is seen would not cause alarm.

Frankly what we have as an account from Clint has not been proven to be 'Fact" so we work with what we got, and that is the biggest problem.:rollercoaster::dunno:

 

[~n/t~]

If the timeline doesn’t make sense to you (and you’re not alone), go with your gut and your own common sense approach, and continue to share your ideas here!

~nt~: I still would appreciate an insight into your profile of the perp.

Clint thought it was Drew so all along the image of the perp in my mind has been a young guy, in his mid twenties, same height and weight as Drew and a hunter because he wore full camo.

But now, I'm not so sure. If the family was threatened and Karen's reaction was such of horror and panic as soon as she heard the news I'm open to anything. Yes I believe the perp wore camo but perhaps it was a get up and not because he's truly a hunter. Clint made it a point to mention the guy wore full camo and he heard his voice.

Did Clint and Holly go to the same school? UT in Parsons?

 

[~n/t~]

THe blood has been described as a puddle, pool, drops, flecks, etc. So who knows. LE said it was a small amount and an amount that did not seem to indicate a mortal injury. Thats all we know really.

Slight injuries CAN produce a goodly amount of blood. Enough to make you feel dizzy or faint, but certainly not fatal. Head and scalp wounds bleed profusely even small ones. If Holly were struck in the face, she could have had a busted lip, bloody nose, torn ear ring, etc. All of those things can bleed.

As to her walking away... based on the vague sequence of events something happned outside and Holly screamed. I assume she was injured at that point. I belive she was in the garage part of the house or just outside at the back at that time. The suspect could have pushed her back into the garage. Clint did say he heard voices OUTSIDE before he saw the silhouettes inside the garage. If Holly had been struck in the face it would stun her and account for her kneeling when they were seen by Clint. After a few minutes the suspect could have hustled her out. I do not know why she would just leave with the suspect but for whatever reason she did. Even knowing Clint was at home. Again if she were stunned or disoriented she may not have been thinking straight.

Its not like the house is in the woods with no access. The main road is not far from the house and there are trails all aroudn the house where a suspect could park a car. Even if the suspect were parked out at the road I dont think you could easily see it from the house anyway. The aerial photos of the house I posted before show you could park within FEET of the house behind trees on the various trails and paths. I never bought the idea that the kidnapper hiked for miles to the house, took Holly, then hiked for miles back through the woods with her. He had a car/vehicle within a hundred yards I am willing to bet. If someone were watching the house and planning any kind of crime they would want their vehicle close for a fast get away.

bbm....

The cops believe the kidnapper may be someone from the area who knew the family and watched her movements. The kidnapper would need to know the nearby woods to plan his escape. He also would have needed an all-terrain vehicle to leave the area as quickly as he did.

:dunno:

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/04/holly_bobo_2w0-year-old_nursin.php

 

[~n/t~]

Races in Parsons:

White alone - 2,396 (81.5%)
Hispanic - 342 (11.6%)
Black alone - 187 (6.4%)
Two or more races - 11 (0.4%)
Asian alone - 4 (0.1%


Take a look at the crimes. This is in 2009 but still. 1 rape and no murders. Thefts seem to be the highest followed by auto thefts and then assaults. (If I'm reading the chart properly).

http://www.city-data.com/city/Parsons-Tennessee.html

I'm not sure what they mean by "thefts" though. They have burglary and auto theft separately. Do thefts mean stealing property? Wallets? :waitasec:

 

[cfreyja23]

RUK:
It sounds like KB had a “heads up” that something could go wrong.

Jmo

I could not agree more. I know that learning about the victim (here, alleged victim) tells LE more about who the abductor is than any other information, but I think the behavior and impression of the parents are very telling.

Her dad said it could be a local, and someone who had been watching them. This impression of his, to me, is one of the most important pieces of the puzzle.

Her mom reacts with near-psychic reaction time to the possibility that she was adbucted. Why? I live in a big city with a lot of crime, and even I don't think I'd freak out so quickly. The "overly anxious mom" idea just doesn't cut it for me.

I get the feeling that the family experienced something in the months or days leading up to this that made them wary. I'm sure LE has interviewed them about ex-boyfriends, etc., but I'd be asking her friends about every single man she encountered before the adbuction.
Has anyone in any interview actually asked the family who they think may have done this? I would give anything to know what they would say.

We also know from Clint's story that she had some verbal interaction with the adbuctor before the moment when she was taken. This says to me either that 1) it was someone she has met before, so she wouldn't respond with fear immediately or 2) the suavest perpetrator ever. I highly doubt it is the latter.

 

[~n/t~]

Maybe we can make a list of things that happened in Parsons, TN in February or March of 2011 that may or may not be connected? Would that help?

I found this. In February 2011 there were CPR classes given. Holly is a nursing student. Would she have attended?

http://grouchatrighttruth.blogspot.com/2011/02/free-cpr-classes-in-parsons-tn.html

February 2011.

Human traffickers operating out of well known Mid-South locations

http://www.wmctv.com/story/14156211...erating-out-of-well-known-mid-south-locations

A list of top stories going back to Sept 2010. Nothing pertinent that I could find on this link. I'll keep checking though. :thud:
http://www.wmctv.com/category/124312/special-reports