TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[mountainguy777]

ok...let's take a look at people who may have known the comings and goings of the family.

1) mailman?

2) Electrical dude?


Anybody else?

Garbage men.

Ex-employees of dad.

 

[shefner]

In reference to the questions about how a crime like this could be committed, that Holly must have known her abductor, how Holly would have reacted, etc... I ask everyone to take a look at the Petit family home invasion, torture, rape, and murder cases.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/911-call-images-depict-jennifer-hawke-petit-withdrawing/story?id=11648639

Ms. Hawke-Petit went to the BANK with them. Note how Ms. Hawke-Petit is noticed to be so calm.

Trauma does funny things to people.

Great point, Oriah....I totally agree.

My daughter had a young man in her life once that scared the heck outta me. But not at first. Only after I had been around him and realized his anger problems. Everyone knew about them but brushed them aside because he was handsome and was a good athlete. He had quite the obsession with my daughter and once she realized for herself what his issues were, she had a tough time getting separated from him.

During this period I was actually worried for her physical safety. I was constantly calling her. He would drive up and down our street....he would stalk our daughter at her work. He came to the door one night to see her and simply grabbed the screen door open and pushed his way in. I was folding clothes one afternoon and walked through my family room to see him standing there. Let me tell ya, I was fairly terrified by these happenings.

My daughter thought she could reason with him...and to a point, she was correct. If he was upset she could often calm him down just by speaking with him. But if she didn't say just the right things, it made matters worse. For some reason, she felt responsible for keeping him calm and when he lost his temper, she felt responsible too.

Thinking of this makes me believe that Holly was abducted by someone she knew....someone obsessed with her. Perhaps she knew him well...or casually. Even if he injured her (accidental or intentional), she may have thought to herself, "I'll go with him...I'll reason with him....I'll calm him down."

I also believe this abductor was someone young. A young man not much older than Holly (from 21-29). She may have felt that she could influence him if she had a chance to reason with him.

I do believe someone in Parsons knows what happened. Perhaps a family member of the perp. They are probably terrified at how big this case has become...at how the community would react if they knew the truth...what it would do to the family and the family name. They, most likely, are dealing with some denial as well. I think the family has probably covered for this perp before but not for something of this magnitude. In small towns, the family name is everything.

 

[Oriah]

O/T- but I'm proud of the posters on this thread. We seem to have all come back to what is most important here- finding Holly. And finding out what happened to Holly, the Bobo family, and their community that morning.

Thanks ya'll, for redirecting- and caring enough to keep trying to help find Holly.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I dunno. Maybe even a friends boyfriend ,I have had a crazy who was so jealose of my best friend I would suspect him if she had come up missing.

If another family member was threatend I would have not expected her to be injured as fast as I would if she was the direct result of the threat.

People who make threat agaisnt one family will normaly attack the person who they are making the claims to and not the family. Unless the suspect is a scorpio ,they just do stuff that makes you wonder what the heck...then pretend they dont have a clue either. While laughing on the inside.

No offense to Scorpio's who are not angry!!:crazy:

Hey!!!!! What's up with the Scorp comment?? Maybe you just ran into a
" Psycho Scorp". I Know O/T....but you started it LOLillowfight2:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I dont necessarily buy that. The suspect could have parked along the tree line on Swan Johnson road, walked up to the house through the woods, parallel to the driveway and then entered the property perhaps from the northish side. Since they walked away in that direction, I assume a vehicle was in that direction.

Not sold on the ATV idea either. As they are loud/noisy and if you abducted someone it would be hard to make a get away with a woman on an ATV. I suppose they could have had a truck and trailer but then things start to get complicated. I prefer more simple, direct suppositions rather than overly complex ones. Given the short time frame that holly and the suspect disappeared and that Clint apparently went out after then and didn't mention hearing an ATV I don't think one was used. I don't think there was time to drive her away on an ATV then load the ATV into a trailer or onto a flat bed or something and drive some more. Too much effort.

Whoa!! What happened to "direct suppositions". I don't thing anything was said about "loading an ATV onto a trailer or a flat bed".....Yikes!

I think the ATV idea only came into play because Holly was last seen walking into the woods, (not walking to the tree lined Swan Johnson road). If indeed she was walking into the woods, then they would need some kind of ATV to navigate the dense woods. Those woods had been described by
1) Dana : as woods people who are familiar with the area get lost in.
2) So dense they had to carry a SAR dog.
So an ATV of some sort would certainly be a possibility, albiet a rather noisey one, right?

 

[OldSteve]

Great point, Oriah....I totally agree.

My daughter had a young man in her life once that scared the heck outta me. But not at first. Only after I had been around him and realized his anger problems. Everyone knew about them but brushed them aside because he was handsome and was a good athlete. He had quite the obsession with my daughter and once she realized for herself what his issues were, she had a tough time getting separated from him.

During this period I was actually worried for her physical safety. I was constantly calling her. He would drive up and down our street....he would stalk our daughter at her work. He came to the door one night to see her and simply grabbed the screen door open and pushed his way in. I was folding clothes one afternoon and walked through my family room to see him standing there. Let me tell ya, I was fairly terrified by these happenings.

My daughter thought she could reason with him...and to a point, she was correct. If he was upset she could often calm him down just by speaking with him. But if she didn't say just the right things, it made matters worse. For some reason, she felt responsible for keeping him calm and when he lost his temper, she felt responsible too.

Thinking of this makes me believe that Holly was abducted by someone she knew....someone obsessed with her. Perhaps she knew him well...or casually. Even if he injured her (accidental or intentional), she may have thought to herself, "I'll go with him...I'll reason with him....I'll calm him down."

I also believe this abductor was someone young. A young man not much older than Holly (from 21-29). She may have felt that she could influence him if she had a chance to reason with him.

I do believe someone in Parsons knows what happened. Perhaps a family member of the perp. They are probably terrified at how big this case has become...at how the community would react if they knew the truth...what it would do to the family and the family name. They, most likely, are dealing with some denial as well. I think the family has probably covered for this perp before but not for something of this magnitude. In small towns, the family name is everything.

OT I know, but suspense has got me - so how did your daughter shake this wack-a-doo off?? I hope this was long ago in the past, as this kind of obsessive/stalker has a way of not going away from what I've seen...

 

[OldSteve]

O/T- but I'm proud of the posters on this thread. We seem to have all come back to what is most important here- finding Holly. And finding out what happened to Holly, the Bobo family, and their community that morning.

Thanks ya'll, for redirecting- and caring enough to keep trying to help find Holly.

Many shows I've seen lately don't get solved until the case goes to a cold-case unit, and new sets of eyes going over evidence see something that was missed.... Don't know why, but I think this is where Holly's case is heading...

 

[Yellow Rose]

Many shows I've seen lately don't get solved until the case goes to a cold-case unit, and new sets of eyes going over evidence see something that was missed.... Don't know why, but I think this is where Holly's case is heading...

I've been rather afraid of the same thing. But if it does go to cold case file detectives I readily agree: Find something overlooked, and find it quickly! I'm not blaming anyone or anything, but I have always felt that LE should have been just a tad more public in this one. The rural setting and underpopulated area made it especially hard for outsiders to assist IMHO.

 

[cluciano63]

Many shows I've seen lately don't get solved until the case goes to a cold-case unit, and new sets of eyes going over evidence see something that was missed.... Don't know why, but I think this is where Holly's case is heading...

That can't happen unless current LE is willing to let someone else take over the case, whether it is another agency or a private investigator given access to the files. I don't see that happening, personally. I know I am a pessimist about this case, but I just don't see much of anything happening unless/until LE decides to start involving the public in a more meaningful way and it is possible it is already too late for that. JMO

 

[shefner]

OT I know, but suspense has got me - so how did your daughter shake this wack-a-doo off?? I hope this was long ago in the past, as this kind of obsessive/stalker has a way of not going away from what I've seen...

Nope, not long ago. In fact, it was the first of this year. She was with a girlfriend, on the way home from an evening eating of fast food and walking thru Walmart. She came to the intersection on a small country road and she saw his car lights flip on. He had been waiting for her. He chased her car and attempted to wreck her. After this incident, we took out a temporary restraining order.

In spite of the RO, he still made attempts to contact her and see her. She was only 19 at the time (20 now). Believe me when I say it was a huge and scary ordeal. His family was fairly wacky and lived in total denial of his behavior. They defended his every action...even his stalking.

The young man in question has since moved in with his dad in a nearby town about 30 minutes away. We don't see him or run into him anymore. Hopefully he has moved forward. I thank God every day that my daughter was able to survive the experience.

We learned after this that his previous girlfriend also took out an RO on him...and that her family took him and his family to court on some other actions. This helped me to realize that this was a pattern of behavior for this young man...and his family aided him by denying he had a severe problem.

I am tempted to do a background search of any future BFs....just to be on the safe side.

 

[Oriah]

Many shows I've seen lately don't get solved until the case goes to a cold-case unit, and new sets of eyes going over evidence see something that was missed.... Don't know why, but I think this is where Holly's case is heading...

True, OldSteve.

And... this is where we bump Holly's face:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

This is who we are looking for.
This is who many, many people dearly love and miss.
This is who is possibly a victim of a very violent crime.

This is Holly.

Can ya'll imagine if this was your child? Your sister? Your grandchild? Your neighbor? Your girlfriend? Your best friend?

Great ideas everyone, on looking at what may have happened that morning. Let's keep it up!

 

[concentric]

Great ideas everyone, on looking at what may have happened that morning. Let's keep it up!

There were numerous theories put forth in earlier threads re: obsessed stranger or obsessed acquaintance abduction.

The fact remains that: We don't have the details. We probably never will have the details.

I still think the family should hire a good P.I. And we've recommended 2 who we know have demonstrated integrity and persistence. That would be the only way to really dig in there and ferret out the information.

That's JMO.

 

[shefner]

As for motive, there are several possibilities:

1. Someone wanted just to talk to Holly and things got out of control.

2. A stranger stalked her from school or somewhere outside of town and became
obsessed with her. Sexual motive.

3. A local was obsessed with Holly and decided to take her. Sexual motive.

4. A local had something against her, perhaps she had rejected him (this could be a
real or perceived rejection).

5. Someone had a vendetta against Holly's family...or a particular member of her
family and took her as revenge.

6. Abducted by a militia type organization.

7. Abducted for sex trade.

8. Abducted by mistaken identity.

9. Drug/crime involvement abduction.

10. Abducted for ransom but something went wrong.

Anything else?

 

[shefner]

There were numerous theories put forth in earlier threads re: obsessed stranger or obsessed acquaintance abduction in earlier threads.

The fact remains that: We don't have the details. We probably never will have the details.

I still think the family should hire a good P.I. And we've recommended 2 who we know have demonstrated integrity and persistence. That would be the only way to really dig in there and ferret out the information.

That's JMO.

I respect your opinion but tend to disagree regarding the "never will have the details" part. The more time that has progressed, the more details we have received. I think this will be a trend that will continue, even if over years instead of months.

I do agree that a good PI would be helpful. I can't understand why that hasn't been done (if indeed it hasn't...surely we would have heard if so). I would definitely hire someone to help....perhaps a professional search group. The fact that they haven't done so shows me that maybe they have been asked not to do it. I think, with time, the family will start doing what they think is best...and not what they are asked to do.

 

[shefner]

BTW, I think some of us here were shocked early on when so many hundreds of volunteer searchers were used in the initial search. IMO, this was a major botch. Planted evidence was the result.

 

[concentric]

I think, with time, the family will start doing what they think is best...and not what they are asked to do.

I pray that the Lord will give the Bobo family courage and strength to do what they need to do, in order to find Holly.

 

[Soulmagent]

I noticed on the youtube party in the USA video linked here a while back ,Something is weird about it. Anyone have the link I want to see what clothes everyone had on.

 

[Soulmagent]

BTW, I think some of us here were shocked early on when so many hundreds of volunteer searchers were used in the initial search. IMO, this was a major botch. Planted evidence was the result.

It takes hundreds of volunteers to clear an area. It is a huge world out there. After seeing such a search in progress it doesnt seem so shocking.

What I dont understand is why they let volunteers in while there was an offender roaming the woods. I wondered if they picked up a suspect before the search was in progress.

 

[concentric]

It takes hundreds of volunteers to clear an area. It is a huge world out there. After seeing such a search in progress it doesnt seem so shocking.

What I dont understand is why they let volunteers in while there was an offender roaming the woods. I wondered if they picked up a suspect before the search was in progress.

Because LE thought that the offender had already moved from the area, and they were combing for clues?

(I posted much the same opinion in an early thread.)

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Whoa!! What happened to "direct suppositions". I don't thing anything was said about "loading an ATV onto a trailer or a flat bed".....Yikes!

I think the ATV idea only came into play because Holly was last seen walking into the woods, (not walking to the tree lined Swan Johnson road). If indeed she was walking into the woods, then they would need some kind of ATV to navigate the dense woods. Those woods had been described by
1) Dana : as woods people who are familiar with the area get lost in.
2) So dense they had to carry a SAR dog.
So an ATV of some sort would certainly be a possibility, albiet a rather noisey one, right?

Well I don't think the suspect would have driven an ATV from his house, to Holly's house and then back to his house with Holly sitting on the back. That just does not make any sense at all. So if he used an ATV then he would have had to get it to the area of Holly's house, hence using a trailer or putting it in the back of a truck. Either way you are now using two vehicles and that just seems like a lot of work to do something you can do with one.

I do not believe anyone went any great distance in the woods anyway. THey could be dense or not but if the suspect did not travel far in them how dense or not would be totally moot.

I still think the suspect parked a car or truck on the side of Swan Johnson road or just off the road on one of the many trails and then walked a short distance to the Bobo property. Very simple, direct and not requiring a lot of effort, time, noise, etc. Nor would you have to be that familiar with the woods since you were not in them per say anyway.