TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[~n/t~]

Miley CyrusARTY IN THE USA - YouTube

Yes, it certainly is weird. This video used to say it was uploaded in Dec 2010, now it says Dec. 2009!! But, if you notice it still says on the menu, uploaded one year ago! How can you change your upload date on your youtube page? Or more importantly, why?

I mean in addition to the lack of a rearview mirror, and the shiny table dashboard. What about the clothes? You mean cause it was winter and what not? Supposedly.

I must be missing something. What is so strange about the video? I see 3 girls having fun. Even if it says uploaded in December, it doesn't necessarily mean that's when the video was taken.

What I'd like to know is who are the girls with her and who posted the video. Is one of the girls her friend who cried at school? Sorry I don't remember her name offhand.

 

[Oriah]

Miley CyrusARTY IN THE USA - YouTube

Yes, it certainly is weird. This video used to say it was uploaded in Dec 2010, now it says Dec. 2009!! But, if you notice it still says on the menu, uploaded one year ago! How can you change your upload date on your youtube page? Or more importantly, why?

I mean in addition to the lack of a rearview mirror, and the shiny table dashboard. What about the clothes? You mean cause it was winter and what not? Supposedly.

I'm completely baffled as to why this video is relevant to Holly's abduction; with the exception of the person who abducted her possibly viewing it, or being present when it was made, or uploaded- and therefore it's physical location. :waitasec:

Why does it matter if you can see a rearveiw mirror or not?

ETA- n/t, all I see is three girls having fun also.
And it must break those two girls hearts to watch now, missing Holly.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Miley CyrusARTY IN THE USA - YouTube

Yes, it certainly is weird. This video used to say it was uploaded in Dec 2010, now it says Dec. 2009!! But, if you notice it still says on the menu, uploaded one year ago! How can you change your upload date on your youtube page? Or more importantly, why?

I mean in addition to the lack of a rearview mirror, and the shiny table dashboard. What about the clothes? You mean cause it was winter and what not? Supposedly.

wasn't this already discussed? that it was a video shot at some place that you can make your own videos and not in a real car etc. Kind of like a video version of a photo booth where you and your friends can sit in a "car" and sing karaoke and have a video made.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

The way this crime went down has always bothered me:

--in broad daylight!
--On the victims turf
--On the One day her brother was home
--hunting season w/ hunters all over the place
--risk the vehicle for abduction being scene by anyone
Geez! Doesn't that seem downright stupid?

I mean --Nighttime, Mall parking lot--end of story, right?

Although they did get away with it. Luck ? or ineptness by the first responders?

Some of those details actually help (to me) reenforce the idea that this is NOT someone that knew Holly well or that Holly knew. Anyone that was even remotely close to Holly would have been able to get to her away from the house; at school, a store, at night, on the highway, etc. So whoever did this did not have that closeness. He did not know her routine enough to get her away from home, but did know enough to be able to pull this off at the house.

But a lot of crimes happen during the daytime too. If you think about it, with a house, chances are that more people would be around at night than during the day. Even when this crime happened, two of the four people that lived there were gone. And we had the big ninja home invasion here in Florida where the truck loads of invaders drove up in broad daylight, stormed the house, rounded up and executed the parents (they had a bunch of special needs kids inside too) and took their time in stealing a large safe. Plus the house had extensive indoor and outdoor video surveilance.

I had my apartment robbed during the day once and the theives had several hours to do it since I was at work. They actually brought a small moving truck up to my door and just piled my stuff inside. A lot of people saw it happeneing but just figured I was moving and didn't pay attention. Lots of people move in and out of apartments. They got away and I never got my stuff back.

 

[concentric]

Some of those details actually help (to me) reenforce the idea that this is NOT someone that knew Holly well or that Holly knew. Anyone that was even remotely close to Holly would have been able to get to her away from the house; at school, a store, at night, on the highway, etc. So whoever did this did not have that closeness. He did not know her routine enough to get her away from home, but did know enough to be able to pull this off at the house.
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I agree. I think the abductor followed her from some event she attended, or found out her address on the internet, or both. He probably hid in the woods making observations.

There could even be more than one person behind this, wanting to acquire her.

 

[shefner]

Some of those details actually help (to me) reenforce the idea that this is NOT someone that knew Holly well or that Holly knew. Anyone that was even remotely close to Holly would have been able to get to her away from the house; at school, a store, at night, on the highway, etc. So whoever did this did not have that closeness. He did not know her routine enough to get her away from home, but did know enough to be able to pull this off at the house.

But a lot of crimes happen during the daytime too. If you think about it, with a house, chances are that more people would be around at night than during the day. Even when this crime happened, two of the four people that lived there were gone. And we had the big ninja home invasion here in Florida where the truck loads of invaders drove up in broad daylight, stormed the house, rounded up and executed the parents (they had a bunch of special needs kids inside too) and took their time in stealing a large safe. Plus the house had extensive indoor and outdoor video surveilance.

I had my apartment robbed during the day once and the theives had several hours to do it since I was at work. They actually brought a small moving truck up to my door and just piled my stuff inside. A lot of people saw it happeneing but just figured I was moving and didn't pay attention. Lots of people move in and out of apartments. They got away and I never got my stuff back.

I tend to go the other way in my reasoning....I think Holly was taken by someone who knew her and someone she knew. To kidnap someone at a store, at school, or even along a highway involves the public....all those eyes and surveillance cameras. The Bobo's home was the most secluded place on earth....with only one potential witness, Clint Bobo.

 

[concentric]

I tend to go the other way in my reasoning....I think Holly was taken by someone who knew her and someone she knew. To kidnap someone at a store, at school, or even along a highway involves the public....all those eyes and surveillance cameras. The Bobo's home was the most secluded place on earth....with only one potential witness, Clint Bobo.

In the case of Dru Sjodin, the victim did not know the abductor. The perp. was a level III sex offender who had been released from prison after many years to his home community. It is thought that he scoped her out at the mall where she worked, a distance from where she or he lived, waited in the parking lot at the mall, abducted, raped and murdered her.

 

[~n/t~]

Some of those details actually help (to me) reenforce the idea that this is NOT someone that knew Holly well or that Holly knew. Anyone that was even remotely close to Holly would have been able to get to her away from the house; at school, a store, at night, on the highway, etc. So whoever did this did not have that closeness. He did not know her routine enough to get her away from home, but did know enough to be able to pull this off at the house.

But a lot of crimes happen during the daytime too. If you think about it, with a house, chances are that more people would be around at night than during the day. Even when this crime happened, two of the four people that lived there were gone. And we had the big ninja home invasion here in Florida where the truck loads of invaders drove up in broad daylight, stormed the house, rounded up and executed the parents (they had a bunch of special needs kids inside too) and took their time in stealing a large safe. Plus the house had extensive indoor and outdoor video surveilance.

I had my apartment robbed during the day once and the theives had several hours to do it since I was at work. They actually brought a small moving truck up to my door and just piled my stuff inside. A lot of people saw it happeneing but just figured I was moving and didn't pay attention. Lots of people move in and out of apartments. They got away and I never got my stuff back.

I can only go according to what's been reported in the media. Both Holly's dad and LE believe it had to have been someone familiar with the area because of where the house is located and the perp having to know their way to and from the woods. Yes, it could've been someone, a hunter, perhaps who just happened to be in the area hunting turkey and noticed a pretty girl and abducted her but I think if we go with LE's theory, I think it's more likely that it would be someone who knew the comings and goings of the family. Someone who may have been stalking Holly or wanted harm done to her for whatever reason.

I wouldn't rule out a female being involved as well.

 

[concentric]

I agree that the perp. probably knew the area well, but it was because he studied it, with his prey in mind, not because he was close to the family or lived in the immediate area at the time of the crime.

However, there is a possibility that he could have lived there in past. JMO.

 

[concentric]

I'm back to thinking that this is a person who knows of the family, the area, but in a way that is somewhat removed from the direct circle. Someone like an employee, or past employee, for example. We've discussed this before.

 

[Oriah]

Can I encourage folks to look at fugitives, and possible connections of fugitives to the region? In addition to looking at 'locals' who may have known the area and the Bobo's family schedule?

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

The way this crime went down has always bothered me:

--in broad daylight!
--On the victims turf
--On the One day her brother was home
--hunting season w/ hunters all over the place
--risk the vehicle for abduction being scene by anyone
Geez! Doesn't that seem downright stupid?

I mean --Nighttime, Mall parking lot--end of story, right?

Although they did get away with it. Luck ? or ineptness by the first responders?

I'm sorry. This comment was only meant to question "what kind of person" would commit this crime in broad daylight, etc. This only related to the MO of the suspect. Weather it was planned or unplanned, by a suspect known or unknown to Holly was not the point. I had only wanted to add this to a suspect profile. I realize I did not explain myself too well, sorry!:waitasec:

 

[~n/t~]

Can I encourage folks to look at fugitives, and possible connections of fugitives to the region? In addition to looking at 'locals' who may have known the area and the Bobo's family schedule?

RSO fugitives? Not sure what you mean by fugitives. I thought LE had already looked at RSO's in the area and there was one who was caught in another State (Wall)? Are there others missing? Or are you saying to look at all fugitives regardless of where they may have resided and see if they are connected to the area?

LOL...I guess I need you to clarify fugitives. There are rapists, murderers, drug dealers, kidnappers, and so on and so on.

 

[~n/t~]

I'm sorry. This comment was only meant to question "what kind of person" would commit this crime in broad daylight, etc. This only related to the MO of the suspect. Weather it was planned or unplanned, by a suspect known or unknown to Holly was not the point. I had only wanted to add this to a suspect profile. I realize I did not explain myself too well, sorry!:waitasec:

You made a good comment. You listed the facts as we know them and yes, I agree that the reason for taking her at the house rather than a mall parking lot at night (or day) begs pondering. Why would the perp take that risk?

 

[wishuwerehere]

On the morning of the abduction what was it that initially convinced Clint it was Drew with Holly outside? Was it just an assumption? Or was there something more convincing to Clint, i.e. the type of camo the perp was wearing? I know Clint has described the perp to be wearing full camo garb. Did Drew usually wear full camo garb when hunting? Was there something specific about the clothing that made Clint believe it was Drew?

Clint has stated that he heard voices in the garage, and one sounded younger. Did he actually recognize Drew’s voice? Or was he still assuming it was Drew because the voice sounded younger?

Did the perp purposefully try to make himself look like Drew from a distance?

Clint did believe it was Drew outside with Holly. Up until when? At what point did Clint not believe it was Drew?

Clint said he tried to reach Drew on his cell, but after ringing about five times, it went to voicemail. I believe Clint has said this also convinced him it was Drew with Holly, because Drew did not answer his phone. (He explains this by saying Holly did not answer her phone either, so the two must be together.)

So, after Holly was abducted, when was Drew actually reached by phone? What time did Drew show up at the Bobo property to search for Holly?

I know this looks like I’m pointing a big finger at Drew. Actually, I’m trying to eliminate him. (If only he would give a public interview.)

Has Drew’s friends and acquaintances been looked into by LE?

The perp convinced Clint he was Drew. Was this just by accident, or was this purposeful on the perp’s part?

jmo

 

[Oriah]

RSO fugitives? Not sure what you mean by fugitives. I thought LE had already looked at RSO's in the area and there was one who was caught in another State (Wall)? Are there others missing? Or are you saying to look at all fugitives regardless of where they may have resided and see if they are connected to the area?

LOL...I guess I need you to clarify fugitives. There are rapists, murderers, drug dealers, kidnappers, and so on and so on.

Sorry, should have been more clear. Fugitives as in the 'wanted' sort. Violent crimes in the area (TN) as well as fugitives from other states who may have ties to TN.

Cross check databases, that sort of thing.

 

[Oriah]

On the morning of the abduction what was it that initially convinced Clint it was Drew with Holly outside? Was it just an assumption? Or was there something more convincing to Clint, i.e. the type of camo the perp was wearing? I know Clint has described the perp to be wearing full camo garb. Did Drew usually wear full camo garb when hunting? Was there something specific about the clothing that made Clint believe it was Drew?

Clint has stated that he heard voices in the garage, and one sounded younger. Did he actually recognize Drew’s voice? Or was he still assuming it was Drew because the voice sounded younger?

Did the perp purposefully try to make himself look like Drew from a distance?

Clint did believe it was Drew outside with Holly. Up until when? At what point did Clint not believe it was Drew?

Clint said he tried to reach Drew on his cell, but after ringing about five times, it went to voicemail. I believe Clint has said this also convinced him it was Drew with Holly, because Drew did not answer his phone. (He explains this by saying Holly did not answer her phone either, so the two must be together.)

So, after Holly was abducted, when was Drew actually reached by phone? What time did Drew show up at the Bobo property to search for Holly?

I know this looks like I’m pointing a big finger at Drew. Actually, I’m trying to eliminate him. (If only he would give a public interview.)

Has Drew’s friends and acquaintances been looked into by LE?

The perp convinced Clint he was Drew. Was this just by accident, or was this purposeful on the perp’s part?

jmo

BBM: Check the timeline- and the pictures.

The 'perp' did not 'convince' Clint he was Drew.
Clint just thought the 'perp' was probably Drew.

 

[wishuwerehere]

BBM: Check the timeline- and the pictures.

The 'perp' did not 'convince' Clint he was Drew.
Clint just thought the 'perp' was probably Drew.

BBM - How can you be so certain?

 

[Oriah]

BBM - How can you be so certain?

I guess I can't.

 

[~n/t~]

On the morning of the abduction what was it that initially convinced Clint it was Drew with Holly outside? Was it just an assumption? Or was there something more convincing to Clint, i.e. the type of camo the perp was wearing? I know Clint has described the perp to be wearing full camo garb. Did Drew usually wear full camo garb when hunting? Was there something specific about the clothing that made Clint believe it was Drew?

Clint has stated that he heard voices in the garage, and one sounded younger. Did he actually recognize Drew’s voice? Or was he still assuming it was Drew because the voice sounded younger?

Did the perp purposefully try to make himself look like Drew from a distance?

Clint did believe it was Drew outside with Holly. Up until when? At what point did Clint not believe it was Drew?

Clint said he tried to reach Drew on his cell, but after ringing about five times, it went to voicemail. I believe Clint has said this also convinced him it was Drew with Holly, because Drew did not answer his phone. (He explains this by saying Holly did not answer her phone either, so the two must be together.)

So, after Holly was abducted, when was Drew actually reached by phone? What time did Drew show up at the Bobo property to search for Holly?

I know this looks like I’m pointing a big finger at Drew. Actually, I’m trying to eliminate him. (If only he would give a public interview.)

Has Drew’s friends and acquaintances been looked into by LE?

The perp convinced Clint he was Drew. Was this just by accident, or was this purposeful on the perp’s part?

jmo

You bring up some excellent points. The younger voice as Clint described it leads us to believe that the perp is probably in his 20's.

How many of Drew's friends or Holly's ex boyfriends have similar features as Drew or features as described by Clint. It shouldn't take LE long to eliminate perhaps a handful of buddies, right? If they have alibis?