I doubt she had the professor's number but could have called the college and the secretary transferred the call or had the professor come to the phone.
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I doubt she had the professor's number but could have called the college and the secretary transferred the call or had the professor come to the phone.
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I don't post very much on here but I read almost daily to see if Holly and others have been found. Here is what I think if LE are not telling the family anything and have ask them to keep quiet if this were my daughter at this stage of the game the heck with LE I would be trying anything and everying in my power to find my daughter. I am a very verbal person and would have been doing this long ago. What are the police gonna do to them, take away their birthday, I don't think so. Either they all know something we don't or this is the most passive family I have ever seen. IMO:banghead:
It's just kinda pathetic that they don't even spell check, ya know?
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This is a good overhead view of the property depicting the "road" that ran
around the back of the property,backside of the pond and then out onto
Swan Johnson.
I couldn't see any other likely prospect for a road that Drew often parked
there to hunt from.
http://www.zillow.com/homes/681-swa....174703,35.678087,-88.176411_rect/18_zm/1_fr/
around the back of the property,backside of the pond and then out onto
Swan Johnson.
I couldn't see any other likely prospect for a road that Drew often parked
there to hunt from.
http://www.zillow.com/homes/681-swa....174703,35.678087,-88.176411_rect/18_zm/1_fr/
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Watched it (again). There is nothing in there that indicates what part of the house is shown at all. Nowhere does anyone say they are in X room or whatever. I assume it is their house but that is an assumption. There is a double glass door but we do not know where it faces on the house (out back?) or what room it opens into (living room?)
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That is a good photo. And the road corresponds with Drew saying he saw Holly and the suspect walking north (towards the top of the photo) when he looked out the window.
Perhaps the teacher found out through word of mouth the same way as all the people who showed up at the house that morning and were milling about (which is weird in itself). How on earth did all those people know, anyway? I wonder if LE created a backwards "phone tree"? By asking each person how they found out that morning that she was gone, it might point to someone who knew because the perp let something slip. It's entirely possible (though it sounds unrealistic) that the guy kidnapped her, stashed her, then returned to the area to "assist" in the search. I wonder if "who told you HB was missing" is the first question LE asks each POI/interviewee.
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I don't know why that doesn't make sence to people. for starters who says the friend that was upset asked the teacher at 9 oclock how do you know she didn't ask her when class ended whatever that time was..Maybe she was upset because holly was her partner in a project for that class and maybe holly had all the Info and was bringing it in to class but when she didn't show the girl new she had nothing to hand in for the assighnment and thats why she was upset holly wasn't there. Also If mom gets that phone call from the brother and by all acounts that was pretty early in the am and he says they are heading towards the woods . well mom knowing she was going to school and not fully understanding what has happened yet of coarse your gonna call the school asap to see if holly made it to class and thats how the teacher knows ...Thats pretty reasonable to me.
Sometimes the similarities are not meaningless. More than one murder, etc., has been committed by "contractors" familiar with the layout as well as the day to day comings and goings of the families involved.
Glad you brought up contractors.
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I still strongly believe they are not connected at all . You have one that is most likley about drugs (LS) . You have another that is most likley about a divorce (KS), another one you have a girl that i think maybe because she was such a pretty girl might have been stalked or even a familly member(HB) . and one more that most likley is a bf/gf case( KM) . And the last one (PJ) I have not read about her yet but iam sure thier is a thought about what happened. Certinally not a Serial Killer Going around blonde girls and ditches thier cell phones miles away ..If that were the signature what would he be called i wonder they AT&T Attacker..Feel free to Think of names for this fictional SK...
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Hmmm apparently Seventeen Magazine ran an article on/with Holly Bobo and some other missing girls.
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My opinions only, no facts here:
If I am way off on any of my calendar dates, please let me know. Also I would like to know if cell tower coverage is definitely available throughout the region. Anyway, I am considering a hypothesis that the original ground searches for Holly Bobo fell into two categories: 1) earlier searches based upon credible tips or serendipitous discoveries of evidence, and 2) later searches based upon analyzed phone records.
It has occurred to me that although Holly Bobo was kidnapped on April 13, the search of the area just north of her house (intersection of Swan Johnson Road and 5 Forks Road) was conducted on or about April 23. But this is the first place I would have searched! So- why the delay? Perhaps it took a week or so to acquire and analyze Hollys and/or someone elses cell phone records and it was determined that her phone pinged in the intersection area.
But the significant find, variously described as located at Holladay Road, Highway 69, Eaton Plant off Highway 641, Kolpack, the Tennessee Technology Center where Holly attended school, and the Tri-County Concrete property at 100 Eaton St. was also searched around the same time (April 24?). This is where the cell phone and/or SIM card was rumored to have been found (interestingly it was called a card early-on in the rumor mill). Could this be the location of another ping from Hollys phone or even a cell phone call or ping from the perpetrator?
Note that the Bible Hill (Gooch Road?) search was conducted much earlier, around April 16th. This makes sense, if the white book bag (that is what I think it is) was found by a local landowner on April 15th. The much-rumored duct tape, if it exists, would also have been found here, but possibly a day or two into searching this area. Also, note that the Natchez Trace State Park search began at least as early as April 18, also possibly prior to obtaining and fully analyzing phone records. This search may have been based upon a credible tip.
I have tried and tried to account for the supposed distribution of physical evidence in the Holly Bobo case, and still come up short. Let us assume that Holly was carrying a book-bag on her shoulder that held her lunch, books, pocketbook-purse, and other items and was kidnapped going to her car. If it turns out that Holly was actually wearing a backpack, I will be VERY disappointed by the prior reporting, because I will need to revise this part of my post and change some of my theories.
For the sake of argument, let us also assume Holly had a cell phone with her. Would the cell phone also be in her book-bag? I doubt it, because people today are yakking on their cells 24 hours a day. She would have had her phone in her hand or a pocket, with the intent of having/placing it within easy reach during her drive to school and not needing to rummage through her book-bag for it.
I am inclined from the sum of the official and unofficial information to presume that the book-bag story is true and that this item was found north of Bible Hill on Gooch Road(?) and with less confidence, that Holly's phone and/or the SIM card from her phone was found at the second (and later) location.
On the face of it, this all seems counter-intuitive. Why would the abductor lead Holly into the woods behind her home and not make her ditch the book-bag immediately? Now, fast-forward to Bible Hill/Gooch Road. The abductor is either WITH Holly or WITHOUT Holly at this time. 1) If Holly was still with the abductor, why risk being caught while dumping her book-bag on private property? For crying out loud- a much greater piece of evidence (Holly) would still remain with the abductor. 2) If Holly was no longer with the abductor- why was the book-bag not discarded with Holly at an earlier time? A perfect crime could theoretically have been pulled-off, but the abductor zoomed off with her book-bag in the vehicle? There seems to be something curious about the location of the book-bag.
The cell phone/SIM card, if it exists, is particularly important. If the abductor is going to dump the evidence (book-bag), they would certainly obtain the cell phone from the victim beforehand and dump it at the same time, if not before. Even if Holly is still with the abductor at Bible Hill/Gooch Road, the abductor would demand the phone at or before that time and dump all of the stuff together. In this day and age, it is unlikely that a perpetrator would remain unaware that Holly has a cell phone and that cell phones can be traced in certain ways.
As I indicated in earlier posts, I believe that the Swan Johnson-5 Forks Roads search area was a good choice, but I would have preferred to continue the search successively further ESE.
If I am way off on any of my calendar dates, please let me know. Also I would like to know if cell tower coverage is definitely available throughout the region. Anyway, I am considering a hypothesis that the original ground searches for Holly Bobo fell into two categories: 1) earlier searches based upon credible tips or serendipitous discoveries of evidence, and 2) later searches based upon analyzed phone records.
It has occurred to me that although Holly Bobo was kidnapped on April 13, the search of the area just north of her house (intersection of Swan Johnson Road and 5 Forks Road) was conducted on or about April 23. But this is the first place I would have searched! So- why the delay? Perhaps it took a week or so to acquire and analyze Hollys and/or someone elses cell phone records and it was determined that her phone pinged in the intersection area.
But the significant find, variously described as located at Holladay Road, Highway 69, Eaton Plant off Highway 641, Kolpack, the Tennessee Technology Center where Holly attended school, and the Tri-County Concrete property at 100 Eaton St. was also searched around the same time (April 24?). This is where the cell phone and/or SIM card was rumored to have been found (interestingly it was called a card early-on in the rumor mill). Could this be the location of another ping from Hollys phone or even a cell phone call or ping from the perpetrator?
Note that the Bible Hill (Gooch Road?) search was conducted much earlier, around April 16th. This makes sense, if the white book bag (that is what I think it is) was found by a local landowner on April 15th. The much-rumored duct tape, if it exists, would also have been found here, but possibly a day or two into searching this area. Also, note that the Natchez Trace State Park search began at least as early as April 18, also possibly prior to obtaining and fully analyzing phone records. This search may have been based upon a credible tip.
I have tried and tried to account for the supposed distribution of physical evidence in the Holly Bobo case, and still come up short. Let us assume that Holly was carrying a book-bag on her shoulder that held her lunch, books, pocketbook-purse, and other items and was kidnapped going to her car. If it turns out that Holly was actually wearing a backpack, I will be VERY disappointed by the prior reporting, because I will need to revise this part of my post and change some of my theories.
For the sake of argument, let us also assume Holly had a cell phone with her. Would the cell phone also be in her book-bag? I doubt it, because people today are yakking on their cells 24 hours a day. She would have had her phone in her hand or a pocket, with the intent of having/placing it within easy reach during her drive to school and not needing to rummage through her book-bag for it.
I am inclined from the sum of the official and unofficial information to presume that the book-bag story is true and that this item was found north of Bible Hill on Gooch Road(?) and with less confidence, that Holly's phone and/or the SIM card from her phone was found at the second (and later) location.
On the face of it, this all seems counter-intuitive. Why would the abductor lead Holly into the woods behind her home and not make her ditch the book-bag immediately? Now, fast-forward to Bible Hill/Gooch Road. The abductor is either WITH Holly or WITHOUT Holly at this time. 1) If Holly was still with the abductor, why risk being caught while dumping her book-bag on private property? For crying out loud- a much greater piece of evidence (Holly) would still remain with the abductor. 2) If Holly was no longer with the abductor- why was the book-bag not discarded with Holly at an earlier time? A perfect crime could theoretically have been pulled-off, but the abductor zoomed off with her book-bag in the vehicle? There seems to be something curious about the location of the book-bag.
The cell phone/SIM card, if it exists, is particularly important. If the abductor is going to dump the evidence (book-bag), they would certainly obtain the cell phone from the victim beforehand and dump it at the same time, if not before. Even if Holly is still with the abductor at Bible Hill/Gooch Road, the abductor would demand the phone at or before that time and dump all of the stuff together. In this day and age, it is unlikely that a perpetrator would remain unaware that Holly has a cell phone and that cell phones can be traced in certain ways.
As I indicated in earlier posts, I believe that the Swan Johnson-5 Forks Roads search area was a good choice, but I would have preferred to continue the search successively further ESE.
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I haven't read at this case for a while-I guess I became kind of discouraged. Anyway, just thinking. I wonder if LE has put Holly's brother under hypnosis? Maybe his unconscious mind may have retained something that his conscious mind may have forgotten.Something that may help identify the man who took Holly. This may be a silly idea-but at this point I would be willing to try anything!
I have been following many persons cases for years and it has always terrified me that some people could just disappear from the face of the earth and is never seen or heard from again....so sad! The longing by the families must be unbearable.
I have been following many persons cases for years and it has always terrified me that some people could just disappear from the face of the earth and is never seen or heard from again....so sad! The longing by the families must be unbearable.
I have brought these issues up before, as I am sure others have as well, but I think there are a couple of factors that you are overlooking. The first would be the maps of where searches were conducted is volunteer based searches, not LE. The second is the supposed Easter find (eaton road), that area had been previously searched and although it is possible this evidence was overlooked, when you combine that with what has been reported, this find came on a tip, either to LE or the Bobo's, that has never been addressed. Also, take a look at the 2 days preceding the Easter find.
The volunteer searches went to the north end of Natchez Park and also to the very south end of the county, as well as in the area right directly north of the Bobo home. After these 2 days of searching, a tip miraculously comes in (LE said searches would expand out more if nothing came up) and leads to evidence being found in an area that was already searched (also this evidence is found back towards the town of parsons as searches were expanding out). Also remember the searchers being on their hands and knees for this search, they were not right off the road in a spot where somebody could of thrown evidence from a vehicle on the highway ( also, if a random person noticed a phone on the side of the road, how would they know it's HB phone and if they didn't know it was HB phone, why call it in as a tip?) IMO the probability of this evidence being planted is 90%.
I have always thought the lunchbag find was suspicious and it would be nice to know what kind of condition it was in, that would certainly let you know if/when it was tossed from a vehicle or planted. As you said, it is perplexing to consider the perp tossing ONLY the lunchbag while having HB with him still, but it is also perplexing to consider the alternative in coming back later and planting the evidence. When I view this as being planted evidence, it makes more sense to me. The road it was found on (Gooch rd.) T's on the north and south end, it gives no direction of escape except in relation to the Bobo home and also being toward the interstate. If the abductor wanted HB to not take anything with her, it seems he could of left her stuff in the garage or in the yard somewhere. This leads me to believe the perp actually wanted to take her things. Following this line of thought, I have often wondered if evidence wasn't planted to throw of a physical search, it may have been to cast suspicion at somebody else. Probability of this being planted evidence is also 90% IMO.
As you said, it is common to find a kidnapping victim's items together, or not find any at all. If you make a list of reasons why an abductor would keep their victim's items longer than they needed to, I can only come up with a trophy or to possibly plant evidence later. If it was a trophy, then all or just particular items will not be found.
If it was to plant evidence by misleading direction of searches or to frame another person, then you know the abductor has some sort of a connection to their victim or they are purely doing it to taunt LE, sometimes a combo of the two. A stranger abduction is usually meant to be efficient committing the act and also to getting away with it, as in a crime of opportunity. It appears HB abductor was not being efficient at all, spending time with HB at her home, moving towards the woods letting her walk freely, letting her keep her personal items, etc... Think about this, HB is apparently assaulted just outside her home, there is blood left behind and CB sees silhouettes kneeling. The abductor had all the time in the world to have HB leave her things behind.
I strongly believe the known evidence was planted and LE knew this very early on. I also tend to believe that CB being home altered the abductor's plans. If we flip this thought around some, what may the outcome have been if CB was not home? If we take the idea that the abductor spends 10 minutes with HB and starts to move away from the property about the same time as CB narrative begins, I think it is safe to assume CB did effect the abductors plans. Was the original plan to make it look like HB left on her own? I cannot say that is accurate but it is something to consider.
I think the bottom line here is that at the very least, a local was involved in this abduction. Nothing else really makes any sense, if this was a stranger/stalker type of abduction, I think there wouldn't be any evidence left behind and CB would not of woken up before HB was taken away. It would of been quick and efficient and I am willing to bet LE would be more open in sharing the info they have. I mean come on, CB glimpsed camo man and the only impression he is left with is that he was 6' 200llbs? I don't think so. He could certainly describe camo coloring and patterns and that would certainly make people think back if anybody owns or was wearing that type of get-up that morning, but that never happened. I am sure LE has figured if a car or atv was used in the crime, but they just left it very open ended and let people assume whatever they wanted. An abrupt end to searches after a supposed tip comes in, the TBI staying at the Bobo home indefinitely after the abduction, the family seemingly being sequestered. IMO when you add all of this up, LE has had a bead on camo man since April, but more than likely there isn't much physical evidence and no HB to draw any provable conclusions from. It is JMO and I know it isn't a popular one, certainly taking a back seat to the notion that the TBI is inept and does not care to solve crimes. Also, let's be clear that the FBI has and is involved in the case, along with other federal agencies. They are not ALL inept.
This is exactly what I was saying before as far as evidence that was found. This was already the perfect crime so why bother "planting" anything? I personally think that what ever was planted was done after Holly was gone and someone came back and put her stuff there in various places. I also don't think that whoever did this realized they had commited the perfect crime so they scattered some items thinking this would confuse things. This also tells me that who ever did this isn't as bright as one would think as they were having second thoughts about what they did. JMHO.
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We can't really say it was a perfect crime without knowing what kind of crime it was supposed to be all along. If this was supposed to be a robbery, for example, it is not perfect as nothing was stolen (that we know of). It does seem Clint interrupted or altered something that was happening. But we do not know exactly what this is.
Myself I think that gaining access to the inside of the house was part of the original crime. If this were purely a kidnapping why wait around the house 10-15 minutes, going in and out of the garage, etc. Just snatch Holly and run. And since Clint heard voices outside the house before he saw the figures in the garage, Holly and the suspect seeminly went into/back into that area after being outside. I do not think the suspect knew Clint was home then. I think the dog barking and Clint peering into the garage tipped him off and then he made a hasty retreat from the property with Holly in tow.
Now why was he there? Was this some sort of sexual assault/infatuation crime where the suspect wanted to do whatever at the home or in the home, thinking it was just him and Holly? I sort of think this was the intent partly because it seems Holly and the suspect entered back into the garage after they were outside the house initially.
In an unrelated thought train... the lack of a visible weapon has got me thinking a bit. This is just random stuff/details.... Being hunting season, etc. and with the suspect (and seemingly lots of folks) going around in camouflage you would think perhaps the suspect would have had a rifle. It would not be unusual, uncommon or terribly suspicious. And if you were going to commit some sort of crime a rifle is a good weapon of choice. At least if you were observed going to and from the scene with a hunting rifle no one would be obviously alarmed. I suppose a kife or pistol would be easy to conceal. I know some hunters carry pistols as a back up, but this was not a hunter. Since Clint never mentioned seeing a large, obvious hunting type weapon, the suspect most likely did have something small like a knife or pistol.
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yes that is what i saw
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This all makes sense. I've been wondering, too, about why they'd go back into the garage. Like you said, if he just planned to take her, why not just do it from the driveway. The kneeling also sounds suspicious to me. I can't think of any good reason why Holly and her abductor would have been kneeling together in the garage, so my guess is that wasn't exactly what they were doing.
Going by this theory, he doesn't want to take her with him, but he also doesn't want to risk going inside the house because it's much easier for him to get away this way, plus there's the off chance someone might be home, there might be a dog, an alarm, etc. If you think about it it's really not that rare. It's just like someone waiting for a jogger and taking her into the bushes, only this guy had a specific target in mind and planned to use the garage. Then Clint and/or the dog ruined the plan. And from there, I have no clue what happened (in this hypothetical scenario).
I was starting to think this might have been someone around her age and might have been related to some dama or issues she may have been having with some peers (not that I know of any - just something I thought of), but when you really look at how this went down and consider the scenario Carla brought up, I really could see this being a random boogeyman. It happens more than we'd like to think, and several cases come to mind; we're just not used to hearing of it happening at someone's home.
I mostly agree and I think you hit on something that gets overlooked, but first I want to say that I see this as a planned abduction, the home invasion/robbery scenario doesn't cut it. If it was a home invasion, then why did the perp need HB to be home if the intent was not to abduct her? There is no evidence of a home invasion except the sequence about silhouettes in the garage and LE also quickly clarified their comments that this was NOT a home invasion. I also have a hard time seeing this as a planned robbery because there were two people home and that would not be very good planning. Also, why the need to approach somebody as their leaving their home, when you see them why wouldn't you just wait for them to leave?
Now the interesting thing I think you were heading towards and that I wanted to add my spin onto was the how exactly might they have ended up in the garage if the encounter started outside. You recalled CB version correctly, that he HEARD voices outside and SAW silhouettes in the garage. If the scream happens in the begin of the encounter and the soda can is near HB car, it is more than likely HB was approached as she was heading toward her car. Roughly 10 minutes later CB enters the story and he hears them outside and then sees them in the garage kneeling, maybe looking at a turkey. So in those 10 minutes, a large portion of time is spent OUTSIDE, not in the garage, otherwise how would CB be able to tell they were outside if he was still asleep? If we assume the time spent in the garage was no more than a handful of minutes, how does the kneeling silhouettes and finding blood under where they were factor into this. It almost feels like somebody surprised her, tried to reason with her in some fashion, they ended up in the garage and at that point, camo man took control of HB and then walked away with her. Then we add in the fact that once they walked away, they escaped the immediate area pretty quickly, IMO this shows somebody who was comfortable being around the Bobo home and surrounding woods and was comfortable enough in trying to talk to HB in a situation where abducting her was an option in camo man's mind. I see the time spent as the abductor thinking he had all the time in the world and I see the garage sequence with the blood as the abductor not taking No for an answer and violently taking control of the situation. It is also possible HB knew this man was dangerous and tried to retreat to the garage and that would fall in line with camo man then becoming physical.
Also I agree about the weapon, if camo man is around those woods and claims to be hunting without a weapon if someone spots him, that would look awfully suspicious.
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