TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

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  • #201
I can't imagine the family being free the next few days to go scatter Holly's belongings though...didn't LE settle in there right away, and they were probably being interviewed all the time.

While Clint's conflicting stories (and they ARE conflicting) don't make sense, I don't suspect him of anything other than possibly a below average IQ and even that is just a guess. If his mom was worried enough to tell him to get a gun and get out there and he still doesn't have much of a reaction, we are probably dealing with a rather slow-witted guy and I am not trying to "slam" him, but at that point, he has a hysterical, by her own words, mom on the phone and he gets the gun and still basically saunters outside? Plus Mom has a witness or more than one to her reaction, and Dad likely has witnesses that he was at work all morning.

My opinion is that Holly was kidnapped and that the most unfortunate part, besides that fact, is that Clint was the witness, as he clearly is not a solid one. JMOJMOJMOJMOJMO

My opinions only, no facts here:

I have to admit, that in the same situation, I would be tempted to call my sister and boyfriend on the cell phone, before I rushed into the woods with the gun loaded and ready to pull the trigger on someone I hardly even knew, if at all.
 
  • #202
What kind of entire town can be silenced at the request of LE or anyone else? Stepford?

If you will recall, and IF I am correct, the same thing happened in the Kyron case. Remember the email Kaine sent to co-workers about gossiping? Do you recall some sort of a newsletters circulated by the lady who owned the church building across the road from the school? She asked that people not say anything, speculate, gossip. I'm always suspicious when people say "don't talk",
it's kinda like, "Don't open that box, Pandora!"

JMO
 
  • #203
Ok...I am headed off on a cruise for the next 6 days....please have this case figured out when I get home! LOL

Holly, where are you? Please come home.....
 
  • #204
Ok...I am headed off on a cruise for the next 6 days....please have this case figured out when I get home! LOL

Holly, where are you? Please come home.....

Have a fabulous holiday!! :seeya:

What? It's not solved yet? I thought we solved it. :floorlaugh:
 
  • #205
Ok...I am headed off on a cruise for the next 6 days....please have this case figured out when I get home! LOL

Holly, where are you? Please come home.....

:seeya: Hurry back, Shefner, we need you. That fresh open air on the sea is just what you need to clear out any cobwebs in your head. If we haven't solved it in a week, we will hold out for your fresh mind to do so.

..I think we should all go with you and make it a working cruise. :floorlaugh:
 
  • #206
Karen has an incredible reaction that holly is walking into the woods.

Teacher and classmates are crying and concerned.

100's show up at bobo home fast.

Obviously we are missing the entire backstory to this. These are not "normal" reactions to "walking into woods" with supposed boyfriend, and not showing up for school on any given day.
 
  • #207
Re: first day of bow or firearm season..

Not sure If that helps answer your question or not..

My gut tells me if Clint was NOT supposed to be @ home that morning, it is because he was planning on going turkey hunting. He is a turkey enthusiast.

It has been stated that he spoke w/Drew the prior evening about turkey hunting but never asked Drew where he was hunting. Am I the only one that finds that odd? Since he and Drew are friends and have pics of them hunting together, why wouldn't he know where drew was going and why wasn't he going along with him?

Clint loves hunting turkeys. He is home and people are saying he was not usually home at that time. I am betting he was home to go hunting with drew...but apparently, plans changed. Why?
 
  • #208
My gut tells me if Clint was NOT supposed to be @ home that morning, it is because he was planning on going turkey hunting. He is a turkey enthusiast.

It has been stated that he spoke w/Drew the prior evening about turkey hunting but never asked Drew where he was hunting. Am I the only one that finds that odd? Since he and Drew are friends and have pics of them hunting together, why wouldn't he know where drew was going and why wasn't he going along with him?

Clint loves hunting turkeys. He is home and people are saying he was not usually home at that time. I am betting he was home to go hunting with drew...but apparently, plans changed. Why?

Maybe his license expired but went ahead anyway? And that's why a tragic accident is being swept under the rug? He would be in a heck of a lot of legal trouble if that is what happened.


ETA: Yes I also found it unusual that he and Drew didn't discuss where he was going to hunt.
 
  • #209
My opinions only, no facts here:

Well, I would not put this in my timeline because it is a personal speculation and because I am still unclear about the account concerning the figures in the garage- but if figures WERE seen in the garage I would pick the 7:40 to 7:45 AM time interval.

We can't ignore the figures in the garage, its not speculation, CB said it himself in the interview. In that interview he said that is why he got in contact with his mom, to see who they were.

Then, in the latest newpaper article, CB states he didn't wake up until 7:50.
 
  • #210
I think those closest to Holly should be brought in for re interviewing.
 
  • #211
I wonder if drew did tell clint where he was hunting...and it was right there on clint's property. I also wonder if clint was hunting with him. If there is a solid witness to place drew at a different property in south county, then drew should be excluded. It should not read that EVERYONE is a suspect. Drew would clearly not be in the group of suspects if he was observed elsewhere.

UNLESS, the total timeline is not accurate and LE knows it. I wish LE would be kind enough to advise the public whenever a suspect is ruled out.
 
  • #212
I wonder if drew did tell clint where he was hunting...and it was right there on clint's property. I also wonder if clint was hunting with him. If there is a solid witness to place drew at a different property in south county, then drew should be excluded. It should not read that EVERYONE is a suspect. Drew would clearly not be in the group of suspects if he was observed elsewhere.

UNLESS, the total timeline is not accurate and LE knows it. I wish LE would be kind enough to advise the public whenever a suspect is ruled out.

The relative not recognizing Drew bothers me a lot and then followed by the flurry of phone calls. Did Drew finally get permission to hunt there or not? If not, did he decide to hunt on the Bobo property? OR was it someone else with dad on grandma's property and Drew decided to hunt with Clint instead?
 
  • #213
Well, cool, SmoothOperator. I've very much enjoyed reading your posts.

Good morning all. According to all I have seen of the timeline (such as it is) and I don't have time to quote the articles here, but I can later if you want, Clint supposedly grabs a gun after the last call from Mom as she is speeding back home with her friend. Next, he goes out to the garage and sees the blood, at which time the neighbor whose son heard the scream pulls up in the driveway. Followed by the noise of the police car engines on Swan Johnson Road, the police, mom, and the entire population from the nearby woods and beyond.

Here's my question. Is Clint brandishing a hand weapon when everyone shows up? Did he go back inside to lock the gun away? When did he do that? He says in speaking of the neighbor's arrival, that he might have had his phone on his side or in his hand (odd thing to mention in my opinion) and probably didn't speak to her, but just called 911, "like mom said." (He does give off the "mama's boy" vibe, does he not? )
 
  • #214
I wonder if drew did tell clint where he was hunting...and it was right there on clint's property. I also wonder if clint was hunting with him. If there is a solid witness to place drew at a different property in south county, then drew should be excluded. It should not read that EVERYONE is a suspect. Drew would clearly not be in the group of suspects if he was observed elsewhere.

UNLESS, the total timeline is not accurate and LE knows it. I wish LE would be kind enough to advise the public whenever a suspect is ruled out.


Schafer have a great cruise. We will behave and follow TOS rules and not sleuth where you are sailing.:seeya:

Whisperer,your quote(highlighted)occurred to me also. Thanks for voicing it. If Drew has an alibi or a solid witness...why cannot we eliminate him as a suspect???

Also,I am still trying to figure what the backstory is!

Anyhow, no disrespect intended,but I just could not help but recall the famous quote in one of the Pink Panther movies...

"I believe everything and I believe nothing. I suspect everyone and I suspect no one."

Inspector Clouseau
 
  • #215
Well, cool, SmoothOperator. I've very much enjoyed reading your posts.

JUST SPECULATING:
Good morning all. According to all I have seen of the timeline (such as it is) and I don't have time to quote the articles here, but I can later if you want, Clint supposedly grabs a gun after the last call from Mom as she is speeding back home with her friend. Next, he goes out to the garage and sees the blood, at which time the neighbor whose son heard the scream pulls up in the driveway. Followed by the noise of the police car engines on Swan Johnson Road, the police, mom, and the entire population from the nearby woods and beyond.

Here's my question. Is Clint brandishing a hand weapon when everyone shows up? Did he go back inside to lock the gun away? When did he do that? He says in speaking of the neighbor's arrival, that he might have had his phone on his side or in his hand (odd thing to mention in my opinion) and probably didn't speak to her, but just called 911, "like mom said." (He does give off the "mama's boy" vibe, does he not? )



I've only recently started reading about this case (I heard about it after reading some of the Lauren Spierer case) so forgive me if I'm completely off or if this has already been addressed, but I think birpu raises a great point: is there any way to prove his mom told him to get the gun? From what I've read here, I'm leaning toward the accident theory. I think, if he had accidentally shot his sister, one of the biggest concerns would be that his DNA/fingerprints was on the gun. Because the timeline seems so tight, the boyfriend or someone else would likely have had to been there while he was making all of these phone calls to remove Holly from the scene. Another variation of this could be that the boyfriend was the one who pulled the trigger, but regardless, we would get to the same end point: brother and boyfriend hunting together, an accident occurs, and instead of getting help, they tried to hide the scene (maybe it was fatal?). This could explain the mother's reaction (crumbling to the floor) as well: instead of telling her Holly was with a strange man, he was actually telling her that something horrible had happened, Holly was injured/dying/dead/etc.

The coverup/lies would be that his mother told him to grab a gun. First, I think that is a strange reaction: nothing in the narrative so far seems to warrant that a gun was necessary. Couldn't he have just strolled out and called out to them? I feel like grabbing a gun would come later, when he actually realized, "oh hey, something is actually wrong," which he clearly didn't, based on his belief that the man in question was the boyfriend. Second, if he already had a gun on him because HE HAD ACTUALLY BEEN HUNTING ALL ALONG, this would give him a necessary excuse: I wasn't hunting, I grabbed it to protect Holly.
The other big one would be the boyfriend hunting on grandma's land. How long have they been dating? Has he been to family functions? It seems likely they wouldn't recognize the boyfriend's family, so if his dad went out anyway and took a friend, this could explain the confusion. Maybe that's what even caused some of it. When did the dad stop hunting? Drew clearly had to be at work, so I just can't see him hunting at that time. Maybe he was already on the Bobo property and his dad went later with a friend, and then grandma got confused. Maybe Drew called Holly out while they were making these phone calls and while she was out there trying to figure it out, something tragic happened?

Again, all just speculation.
 
  • #216
Hey, what do you all make of this statement from the recent article in the Jackson Sun, Oct 13?
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111013/NEWS25/110130314

It sure sounds to me like he is saying Clint's (and others'?) statements are on record - and Clint can now recall something else, but he believes what Clint first said, and is hinting that Clint can't quite remember exactly what that was - but he has it. It's recorded. Do you get the same thing from this?

So Birpu,

It is your opinion that this recent article is not being taken seriously, as TBI has written documentation from day one as to what had taken place, and this NEW info is suspect?

If that is the case then perhaps we should disregard the current article, and go back to the one we were using prior to the Oct 13 .

......and I suppose this explains why TBI has not cleared anyone. As Whisperer said , maybe TBI knows the witness account is bogus and until they sort it out EVERYONE would be suspect.
 
  • #217
Karen has an incredible reaction that holly is walking into the woods.

Teacher and classmates are crying and concerned.

100's show up at bobo home fast.

Obviously we are missing the entire backstory to this. These are not "normal" reactions to "walking into woods" with supposed boyfriend, and not showing up for school on any given day.

Except the people who decided what the backstory was, could be the same people who were scripting the front.

I heard that KB screamed out BBs name when she dramatically fell to the floor. Then I looked up his bio and photos. Death threats from that guy?
Sorry, but "pipsqueek" was the word that came to mind to describe this so-called 'villain'.
 
  • #218
So Birpu,

It is your opinion that this recent article is not being taken seriously, as TBI has written documentation from day one as to what had taken place, and this NEW info is suspect?

If that is the case then perhaps we should disregard the current article, and go back to the one we were using prior to the Oct 13 .

......and I suppose this explains why TBI has not cleared anyone. As Whisperer said , maybe TBI knows the witness account is bogus and until they sort it out EVERYONE would be suspect.

My opinion is simply that the TBI is making a very strong and challenging statement. Sort of saying, you guys can spin this any way you want to remember it, but we have your original description of events that day. He is unambiguous as far as I'm concerned. I think he is talking directly to the family.
 
  • #219
Schafer have a great cruise. We will behave and follow TOS rules and not sleuth where you are sailing.:seeya:

Whisperer,your quote(highlighted)occurred to me also. Thanks for voicing it. If Drew has an alibi or a solid witness...why cannot we eliminate him as a suspect???

Also,I am still trying to figure what the backstory is!

Anyhow, no disrespect intended,but I just could not help but recall the famous quote in one of the Pink Panther movies...

"I believe everything and I believe nothing. I suspect everyone and I suspect no one."

Inspector Clouseau


Well, I'm with the good Inspector Clouseau!

I don't think we can eliminate Drew based on what we have heard so far. He could have been hunting at Grandma's and then come over to the Bobo's. He could have been hunting at the Bobo's all along, and the Grandma's land story is made up for the express purpose of having him appear to be nowhere near the Bobo's. Who's the relative? Why not say Uncle Jim? And what time was that if it happened? If Holly walked off at 7:50, and Drew's encounter on Grandma's land was prior to 7:30, that doesn't clear him at all. The thing is, until we can be sure WHEN something happened to Holly, all alibis are useless.
And where the heck IS Grandma's property? Anybody?
 
  • #220
Karen has an incredible reaction that holly is walking into the woods.

Teacher and classmates are crying and concerned.

100's show up at bobo home fast.

Obviously we are missing the entire backstory to this. These are not "normal" reactions to "walking into woods" with supposed boyfriend, and not showing up for school on any given day.



Except, Mountainguy777, of the people at school around Karen when she dramatically reacted to the call about the scream (not yet about the people in the garage, or walking into the woods according to what she has said), nobody there could understand her reaction. "They just thought I was having this sort of panic." Or something to that effect. So not everybody was on razor's edge. Only Karen "just knew" at that point.

I have a problem with the "backstory" idea. This is tough to say, because at some point I'm going to get booted off here for talking about the family - that's why I never posted until now. Everything I was thinking was off-limits. So if I disappear, I have just dug my own Websleuths grave.

I got a distinct "acting" vibe from Karen at the original press conference, others totally believed her emotions, but I just didn't. I also wondered about the dramatic over-the-top "panic" at the school. Classic over-acting? Now think if your daughter was just abducted by a known threat - the backstory. Would you say "Please, please, somebody, if anybody has seen anything or knows anything, please...." Heck. I'd be saying something direct like "Please bring her back! Please! We'll do anything to get her back! Just bring her back safely! Please!" Because you know they have her.

Now if on the other hand you know she's not alive, you would be trying to say what you think you should say. This just didn't sound right to me.
Totally my opinion, but I had the exact same reaction to Susan Smith. I didn't feel any weird vibes from Dana, however.
 
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