TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[~n/t~]

Except the people who decided what the backstory was, could be the same people who were scripting the front.

I heard that KB screamed out BBs name when she dramatically fell to the floor. Then I looked up his bio and photos. Death threats from that guy?
Sorry, but "pipsqueek" was the word that came to mind to describe this so-called 'villain'.

Who is BB?

 

[mountainguy777]

Who is BB?

Blake Barnett

 

[~n/t~]

Blake Barnett

Holly's ex? Thanks

 

[houndstooth]

Except, Mountainguy777, of the people at school around Karen when she dramatically reacted to the call about the scream (not yet about the people in the garage, or walking into the woods according to what she has said), nobody there could understand her reaction. "They just thought I was having this sort of panic." Or something to that effect. So not everybody was on razor's edge. Only Karen "just knew" at that point.

I have a problem with the "backstory" idea. This is tough to say, because at some point I'm going to get booted off here for talking about the family - that's why I never posted until now. Everything I was thinking was off-limits. So if I disappear, I have just dug my own Websleuths grave.

I got a distinct "acting" vibe from Karen at the original press conference, others totally believed her emotions, but I just didn't. I also wondered about the dramatic over-the-top "panic" at the school. Classic over-acting? Now think if your daughter was just abducted by a known threat - the backstory. Would you say "Please, please, somebody, if anybody has seen anything or knows anything, please...." Heck. I'd be saying something direct like "Please bring her back! Please! We'll do anything to get her back! Just bring her back safely! Please!" Because you know they have her.

Now if on the other hand you know she's not alive, you would be trying to say what you think you should say. This just didn't sound right to me.
Totally my opinion, but I had the exact same reaction to Susan Smith. I didn't feel any weird vibes from Dana, however.

Me too. I speak as a former bootie, as it were, though.

I also didn't buy the over-acting, but more importantly, that she did not come prepared to bring a BOLO photo to this all important presser to get her face out there. I read someting into the omission like she knew she wasn't really missing, not that here is an opportunity for a wider group of people to know who to look for.

But, even LE referred to the case as alleged abduction so why can't we investigate as if this were only alleged?


Okay so long nooooooooooooooow.....
:maddening:

 

[mountainguy777]

Holly's ex? Thanks

One of her exes, yes.

 

[MizStery]

Hi birpu,
I think we can both agree with the good Inspector Clouseau! I had a question for you all ready to send and I took a moment to read the latest posts and magically you had answered it. Could you use that clairvoyant gift of yours to solve this for us? Smooth Operator recognized immediately how your fresh eyes would contribute to this thread. I have a long way to go but thanks to you I am confident I can eventually catch up. :bud:

I do have a question....do you think James heard a scream coming from the Bobo's at 7:40 that morning?


MOO

 

[birpu]

The relative not recognizing Drew bothers me a lot and then followed by the flurry of phone calls. Did Drew finally get permission to hunt there or not? If not, did he decide to hunt on the Bobo property? OR was it someone else with dad on grandma's property and Drew decided to hunt with Clint instead?

I really think there is more to this tidbit than meets the eye. Just the fact that they even bothered to tell this story to start with raises my eyebrows. Why now? It doesn't help find Holly at all. It never would have, because it doesn't establish the last time they saw her, for example, because... well, Clint, woods, etc. Are they trying to explain all the calls around 7:30? Nobody would know about those except probably the police. Why did they bring this out now? I can hardly believe it's just idle chat with the media. They didn't say a single WORD to the media for almost four months after the press conference. So many explanations for things that.... why are they explaining this again? Is there a sensible explanation for the explanation?

 

[sammi89]

I really think there is more to this tidbit than meets the eye. Just the fact that they even bothered to tell this story to start with raises my eyebrows. Why now? It doesn't help find Holly at all. It never would have, because it doesn't establish the last time they saw her, for example, because... well, Clint, woods, etc. Are they trying to explain all the calls around 7:30? Nobody would know about those except probably the police. Why did they bring this out now? I can hardly believe it's just idle chat with the media. They didn't say a single WORD to the media for almost four months after the press conference. So many explanations for things that.... why are they explaining this again? Is there a sensible explanation for the explanation?

I posed this earlier and haven't really heard much of a response: could the brother have been calling the mother because there had been an accident with Holly? Could she have been injured/dying/dead, and that was why the mother had such a reaction? If so, these people aren't killers. They probably freaked out. Regardless if only the police would find out about the calls, they probably worried it would somehow get out, so they came up with an explanation. If untrue, it seems rather odd: I too am bothered by the idea that HB's relative did not recognize the boyfriend. If they have been dating for awhile and it is a small town, I think it would be highly unusual to have never met the relative.

 

[cluciano63]

I really think there is more to this tidbit than meets the eye. Just the fact that they even bothered to tell this story to start with raises my eyebrows. Why now? It doesn't help find Holly at all. It never would have, because it doesn't establish the last time they saw her, for example, because... well, Clint, woods, etc. Are they trying to explain all the calls around 7:30? Nobody would know about those except probably the police. Why did they bring this out now? I can hardly believe it's just idle chat with the media. They didn't say a single WORD to the media for almost four months after the press conference. So many explanations for things that.... why are they explaining this again? Is there a sensible explanation for the explanation?

For one, they are trying to give Drew an alibi, since Clint thought the man was Drew even after Mom said it wasn't; Mom is pressing the point that it could not have been Drew, which is why we are hearing about the hunting snafu.

Why we AREN'T hearing, this time around, about Clint hearing their voices, is unexplained. And why, of course, he felt they would not get her back for a long time. That one blows my mind, much as I hate that phrase.

 

[wishuwerehere]

Except, Mountainguy777, of the people at school around Karen when she dramatically reacted to the call about the scream (not yet about the people in the garage, or walking into the woods according to what she has said), nobody there could understand her reaction. "They just thought I was having this sort of panic." Or something to that effect. So not everybody was on razor's edge. Only Karen "just knew" at that point.

I have a problem with the "backstory" idea. This is tough to say, because at some point I'm going to get booted off here for talking about the family - that's why I never posted until now. Everything I was thinking was off-limits. So if I disappear, I have just dug my own Websleuths grave.

I got a distinct "acting" vibe from Karen at the original press conference, others totally believed her emotions, but I just didn't. I also wondered about the dramatic over-the-top "panic" at the school. Classic over-acting? Now think if your daughter was just abducted by a known threat - the backstory. Would you say "Please, please, somebody, if anybody has seen anything or knows anything, please...." Heck. I'd be saying something direct like "Please bring her back! Please! We'll do anything to get her back! Just bring her back safely! Please!" Because you know they have her.

Now if on the other hand you know she's not alive, you would be trying to say what you think you should say. This just didn't sound right to me.
Totally my opinion, but I had the exact same reaction to Susan Smith. I didn't feel any weird vibes from Dana, however.

BBM - Totally disagree w/you on this. I believe Karen and Dana’s pain is very real.

JMO

 

[birpu]

I know many people did read Karen's reactions as real - that could very well be, nobody can say for certain. Clearly whether she was hiding anything or not, she would be very upset either way, in my opinion. So I'm just saying how it felt to me, which is only instinct.

What did you think of her demeanor during the JVM family interview (in particular, her body language and facial expressions when Clint was asked a question)? What did you think of Clint's demeanor? Just curious how you see that, and if it seemed normal to you.

 

[cluciano63]

I know many people did read Karen's reactions as real - that could very well be, nobody can say for certain. Clearly whether she was hiding anything or not, she would be very upset either way, in my opinion. So I'm just saying how it felt to me, which is only instinct.

What did you think of her demeanor during the JVM family interview (in particular, her body language and facial expressions when Clint was asked a question)? What did you think of Clint's demeanor? Just curious how you see that, and if it seemed normal to you.

Personally, my take on Karen is that she is majorly concerned about protecting both Clint and Drew. Maybe deep down she feels it is too late to protect Holly, and there is no way she plans to allow either of them to be blamed. But I honestly don't think she knows what happened; she may have a suspect in her mind, but it is not either of them, in my opinion.

 

[birpu]

Personally, my take on Karen is that she is majorly concerned about protecting both Clint and Drew. Maybe deep down she feels it is too late to protect Holly, and there is no way she plans to allow either of them to be blamed. But I honestly don't think she knows what happened; she may have a suspect in her mind, but it is not either of them, in my opinion.

So, then you think she is protecting them from unwarranted suspicion (in her mind) on the part of LE?

 

[wishuwerehere]

I know many people did read Karen's reactions as real - that could very well be, nobody can say for certain. Clearly whether she was hiding anything or not, she would be very upset either way, in my opinion. So I'm just saying how it felt to me, which is only instinct.

What did you think of her demeanor during the JVM family interview (in particular, her body language and facial expressions when Clint was asked a question)? What did you think of Clint's demeanor? Just curious how you see that, and if it seemed normal to you.

I think grief is an SOB. It brings up feelings you never even knew existed. Put that in front of a camera…

It’s very difficult to judge people on emotion alone. Throw in some facts (if you can find them)… then let’s talk.

 

[Wonless]

His behaviour that morning was more than bizarre, imo. I'd love to have a sit down with him. lol

"Dude, there was no freakin turkey, quit the BS and tell me what happened"

N/T I agree with you about the rose colored glasses, and also about Clint's story. My point about the video of the TBI/Sheriff's news conference is this...why go to so much trouble to DEMOSTRATE the method of the "dragging" of Holly if Clint Bobo had not explicitely made statements to that effect. Now Clint says there was no dragging...it can only be that Clint's story has changed. I say that because LE or anyone might make a mistake in saying "Lead" vs "Dragged" but not in specifically demostrating the technique of the interaction unless that was the statement that was made. You are right, if its not the truth, its a lie.

That leaves what really happened...hows this...Clint has someone in the house with him that the family doesn't know about...call it a "friend". CB and this friend get to horsing around with Holly while she is trying to leave for school. Something bad happens, and one thing leads to another..they come up with a story and "friend" leaves with Holly and Clint stays behind to cover up the story...

 

[AnonymousD]

Here is the link to the timeline at the JacksonSun.com. Unfortunately it gives just a few paragraphs then informs you to view the entire article in Sunday's paper. So unfortunately I cannot give you a link to the entire article.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jackson...nstruct+ti me+before+Holly+Bobo\'s+abduction

I will go by my memory,please posters correct me if any thing I say is inaccurate. An article from he Jackson Sun said that James lived in a mobile home next to his parents which is approx.350 feet from the Bobo's home. James was about to get into his car to go to work. He hears the scream coming from the Bobo home. He calls his mother inside her home and tells her about the scream. James continues to work. James mother calls Holly's mother and the chain of events is in Mr. Noatak's timeline. I believe other posters have watched video or read more details perhaps even giving more details about exactly what James heard.

I feel confident if James has an alibi he is a reliable witness to what exactly happened that morning.I can find no motive for him to mislead authorities. Perhaps even more crucial is his account is independent from the families statements. James provides a critical link as to the exact time and provides continuity in the chaotic retelling of what happened that morning.MOO

BBM

Here is a link to the entire article:

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/2...econstruct-time-before-Holly-Bobo-s-abduction

 

[Wonless]

I think there is another possiblity for Clint Bobo's Actions and Statements. I think its possible that Clint has a drug and/or Achohol problem. I think its very possible that he was intoxicated or hungover on the morning of the accident which my have lead to his behavior and statements. I think that this may be the pink elephant in the room about Clint with regard to the family.

Clint's actions and statements in the various interviews we have seen since the family started talking indicate to me that a drug/achohol problem is very possible...IMO.

 

[MizStery]

BBM

Here is a link to the entire article:

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/2...econstruct-time-before-Holly-Bobo-s-abduction

Thanks for the link!
At 7:40 James,a neighbor hears a scream 350 yards away at the Bobo home. He tells his mother about the scream.His mother calls the secretary at Holly's mother's school with the message that a scream was heard coming from the Bobo's
home.

At every step the witness has said singular scream. But,when using CB own words from his statement he says,"The neighbor pulled up
and she said she heard screams about 15 or 20 minutes ago and that was
about eight o'clock". Poor CB does not even respond to the neighbor's alarm over hearing a scream or say i.e. "Oh no,Holly and a man just walked in the woods!" instead he calls mom.
(this is word for word the Jackson Sun linked above).

Now I believe Clint at that point is shocked to see the neighbor and that someone heard it. He knows there is a pool of blood and now a scream to account for not to mention a person has vanished and he is the only eye witness to this?? Perhaps
he had been coached in what to say. Unfortunately a fly in the ointment presents itself with James raising the alarm on hearing a scream. CB says
screams instead of scream but claims he heard nothing. I think it messed up his script and he cant't think on his feet. The link to the story is in AnonymousD post. MOO

 

[Hippy Chick]

From what I understand it was the first day of Turkey Hunting Season. But...I am totally clueless of what that all means. Do they use bow and arrows to hunt turkeys?

Can you tell I'm a city girl? :floorlaugh:

LOL yes I can tell, I was thinking on the accident theroy of she was shot by a bow versus a gun there would not have been a noise, This is a messy case I have been back and forth in my head dozens of times about what happened to her. There is something going on but I just can't place what it is...

 

[Hippy Chick]

I think there is another possiblity for Clint Bobo's Actions and Statements. I think its possible that Clint has a drug and/or Achohol problem. I think its very possible that he was intoxicated or hungover on the morning of the accident which my have lead to his behavior and statements. I think that this may be the pink elephant in the room about Clint with regard to the family.

Clint's actions and statements in the various interviews we have seen since the family started talking indicate to me that a drug/achohol problem is very possible...IMO.

I agree thats why he was so addled that morning I bet he had been out most of the night drinking or doping or both, thats why he wasen't hunting to stoned or hung over to go,