TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

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With all the volunteers and LE who swarmed upon the scene so quickly I think the crimes scene was completely contaminated.
I questioned how so many found out so quickly about what had happened and wondered if the perp(s) somehow were involved in getting the word out just for this purpose.... Reminds of the way the J.B.Ramsey crime scene had everyone running around...

ETA: It might have better if LE cordoned off the entire area around the household right from the beginning. Instead of hundreds of people trampling the woods, get some helicopters in the air. How dense was the foliage in April?

I'll have to go back to the original MSM articles. I'm not sure when the volunteers began to show up. We have Clint's version in the latest article but I don't think it was the same day but I could be wrong.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I wonder of anyone involved in this case has this tattoo?

http://ugliesttattoos.failblog.org/2011/10/16/funny-tattoos-department-of-fail-and-game/

 

[TxLady2]

Not just bodies leave DNA about the perp. We don't know what DNA was taken from the crime scene (Bobo house) but assuming all was done properly by LE they would have plenty. Hairs, clothing fibers, skin cells, footprints, fingerprints and if she was raped, his fluids may also be there. In addition there may be other evidence to confirm if a rape occurred or not.

Her lunchbag and whatever else was found also had DNA. It was found on the side of the road. It could've been planted there or the perp put Holly in the car and oooops...the lunchbag dropped? I'll go with planted.

This leads me to conclude the perp is not someone who is in the system. (RSO, drug dealer, burglar, etc). This was/is the perp's first crime based on my knowledge of other cases I've followed.

Chelsea King's clothing had the perps DNA on them and that's how they got him. Amber Dubois was found shortly thereafter.

In this case, we can assume LE has evidence, Holly's blood, eye witness but we don't have a body.
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DNA evidence is good, but only if they have something to compare it to... if the perp does not have a record and his DNA is not on file anywhere, it's not going to help them much. I'm not sure how long bodily fluids would remain in or on the body, though. After several months it could all be deteriorated.

It's said that everybody leaves something of theirs behind when they commit a crime, but it takes some sharp eyes and skill sometimes to find it. ONE hair can sometimes be the clue that breaks a case. Amazing, isn't it.

 

[TxLady2]

I wonder of anyone involved in this case has this tattoo?

http://ugliesttattoos.failblog.org/2011/10/16/funny-tattoos-department-of-fail-and-game/

OMG, that's ugly! Reading some of the comments below that picture was fun, though.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

DNA evidence is good, but only if they have something to compare it to... if the perp does not have a record and his DNA is not on file anywhere, it's not going to help them much. I'm not sure how long bodily fluids would remain in or on the body, though. After several months it could all be deteriorated.

It's said that everybody leaves something of theirs behind when they commit a crime, but it takes some sharp eyes and skill sometimes to find it. ONE hair can sometimes be the clue that breaks a case. Amazing, isn't it.

Well at this point, after 6 months there will not be a body per se... They can, apparently, get DNA material from some bodies, though. Something was recovered in the Morgan Harrington case, although they found her remains after a month or two not over half a year.

And no, if they obtain DNA from a suspect but the suspect is not in the system, then there is not much they can do until perhaps they received another DNA hit from a second crime and could then combine investigations.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Well at this point, after 6 months there will not be a body per se... They can, apparently, get DNA material from some bodies, though. Something was recovered in the Morgan Harrington case, although they found her remains after a month or two not over half a year.

And no, if they obtain DNA from a suspect but the suspect is not in the system, then there is not much they can do until perhaps they received another DNA hit from a second crime and could then combine investigations.

Ya know DNA is a wonderful tool for LE,and the bill to pass Familial DNA into law will be an additional benifit.......one would think?

But it seems the new MO of predators is to dispose of the body long enough to never be found, or long enough for any DNA to be degraded beyond usefulness. So many cases have to rely on "circumstantial evidence". I guess EVil always finds a way.:maddening:

 

[docwho3]

Not just bodies leave DNA about the perp.
We don't know what DNA was taken from the crime scene (Bobo house)
but assuming all was done properly by LE they would have plenty. . .

I agree that it is possible that other evidence is probably already in the
hands of LE. I certainly hope so. But too many perps have heard that
leaving a body behind is bad and I also outlined some of why leaving one
behind close to home would have been bad for the perp in this instance.

Someone once asked me in a previous post if the perp came into this
whole thing with the mindset to kidnap/murder anyone that should
happen to interrupt him suddenly. I tend to think it is possible especially
if this poking around a house uninvited was something he was used to
doing. He may have had a general sort of exit strategy already mapped
out in his head.

If poking around homes was something he was used to doing he may have
had the general thought that if someone ever happened out the door at
the wrong moment that person was going away with him & would have to
die because he was determined not to be ID'd and put in prison
as a result of what LE would find out when they caught him.

. . .Her lunchbag and whatever else was found also had
DNA. It was found on the side of the road. It could've been planted there
or the perp put Holly in the car and oooops...the lunchbag dropped? I'll go
with planted. . .

From what I have read it was discarded, along with other items, papers
etc. This is consistent with what has happened in some other WS cases.
Whenever a victim's belongings were just thrown out and found the victim
did not return alive (at least not in those cases that I read. )
Most times the stuff was dumped in one place and the body found
elsewhere. I do not know how much planning really goes into that
but just that it has happened that way in some other cases.
It doesn't seem to be rocket science & does not seem to fool LE
and yet it happens in more than one case.

. . .This leads me to conclude the perp is not someone
who is in the system. (RSO, drug dealer, burglar, etc). . .

Not sure we can say that yet. I don't know if he was wanted somewhere
(people have run from LE at hundreds of MPH over a warrant from
unpaid traffic fines so maybe he was wanted for something & determined
not to be caught) or was afraid of going back to prison (which would
mean he might be in the system to some degree) or if he just had a meth
lab at home & had never yet been caught & was determined not to ever
be caught & sent to prison. At this point we do not really know if he
has ever been arrested before.

. . .This was/is the perp's first crime based on my
knowledge of other cases I've followed. . .

I don't know if that is so but I certainly hope it was his first time.
It bothers me that he managed to stay calm and collected enough
to walk her away and not just panic and kill her on the spot.
To me this says he is a more dangerous individual on a longer term basis.

I respect your thoughts & will think more on these things.

 

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I'll have to go back to the original MSM articles. I'm not sure when the volunteers began to show up. We have Clint's version in the latest article but I don't think it was the same day but I could be wrong.

Quoting myself. I went back to the first thread with all the articles. What a mess! Local, TBI and FBI were there with volunteer searchers. LE searched a 5 mile radius. Horses, ATV's and everything else imaginable used. People very eager to help. Family and Sheriff Wyatt appreciative for all the help.

Next day, over 250 showed up to help search.

6 months later. No Holly. Only her lunchbag.

 

[Plumeria5]

Quoting myself. I went back to the first thread with all the articles. What a mess! Local, TBI and FBI were there with volunteer searchers. LE searched a 5 mile radius. Horses, ATV's and everything else imaginable used. People very eager to help. Family and Sheriff Wyatt appreciative for all the help.

Next day, over 250 showed up to help search.

6 months later. No Holly. Only her lunchbag.

5 mile radius and no Holly. She must have been taken in a vehicle. A van or something similar that didn't have windows. I wonder if one person drove and the other restrained Holly. What other types of vehicles? Trucks with camper shells?

 

[~n/t~]

I just realized something. There was never a search warrant even though at the very beginning of the case, it was believed the abduction was a result of a home invasion. That theory was dismissed very quickly and LE confirmed the suspect was not inside the house. I wonder why? How were they so sure?

 

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I wonder if Holly's purse, car / house keys, school bag, books, cell phone were found?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Ya know DNA is a wonderful tool for LE,and the bill to pass Familial DNA into law will be an additional benifit.......one would think?

But it seems the new MO of predators is to dispose of the body long enough to never be found, or long enough for any DNA to be degraded beyond usefulness. So many cases have to rely on "circumstantial evidence". I guess EVil always finds a way.:maddening:

I don't necessarily think that is anything new or different. For one, crimes have been solved by police work and good old fashioned investigative techniques for centuries without the use of DNA. While DNA is useful, it is not mandatory for any kind of conviction. And people have been hiding bodies successfully for centuries too. Thats nothing new. And (again) people have been convicted in circumstantial cases like say Scott Peterson.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

5 mile radius and no Holly. She must have been taken in a vehicle. A van or something similar that didn't have windows. I wonder if one person drove and the other restrained Holly. What other types of vehicles? Trucks with camper shells?

Oh I am 110% certain there was a vehicle. Could be a lot of things... back seat/floor of a larger car, trunk of a car, back of a pickup under a tarp, back of a van or suv, tool box on a truck, etc. I have a tennis tour bag that is big enough to put a body in (seriously). I can get in the bag and someone can zip it up.

 

[Plumeria5]

I just realized something. There was never a search warrant even though at the very beginning of the case, it was believed the abduction was a result of a home invasion. That theory was dismissed very quickly and LE confirmed the suspect was not inside the house. I wonder why? How were they so sure?

Very good question. Since Clint says he was initially asleep, how would he know the abductor was never in the house? And, why wouldn't LE search to make sure Holly wasn't abducted inside the home?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I just realized something. There was never a search warrant even though at the very beginning of the case, it was believed the abduction was a result of a home invasion. That theory was dismissed very quickly and LE confirmed the suspect was not inside the house. I wonder why? How were they so sure?

I dont think police need a search warrant for a crime scene nor if they are granted permission by the home owners to search the home and gather evidence.

 

[Plumeria5]

Oh I am 110% certain there was a vehicle. Could be a lot of things... back seat/floor of a larger car, trunk of a car, back of a pickup under a tarp, back of a van or suv, tool box on a truck, etc. I have a tennis tour bag that is big enough to put a body in (seriously). I can get in the bag and someone can zip it up.

BBM
Don't give anybody ideas, Carla!! :floorlaugh: lol

 

[cluciano63]

Since the abductor apparently had a head start if they went into a vehicle promptly, as I tend to believe, it doesn't have to be a panel van or anything enclosed. He was probably out of the immediate area before anyone was peering into vehicles as they passed them. All or most of LE was probably at the house soon after and no one was looking for any particular vehicle, so they could have passed through town, tossed the lunchpail and continued on out of town. Holly may or may not have been restrained within the vehicle.

If Clint is correct in saying that Holly and this man were crouched down, "talking", maybe an abduction was not even on the cards until somehow she was injured and a plan was made in haste.

 

[Plumeria5]

Since the abductor apparently had a head start if they went into a vehicle promptly, as I tend to believe, it doesn't have to be a panel van or anything enclosed. He was probably out of the immediate area before anyone was peering into vehicles as they passed them. All or most of LE was probably at the house soon after and no one was looking for any particular vehicle, so they could have passed through town, tossed the lunchpail and continued on out of town. Holly may or may not have been restrained within the vehicle.

If Clint is correct in saying that Holly and this man were crouched down, "talking", maybe an abduction was not even on the cards until somehow she was injured and a plan was made in haste.

I hope the word is out for all these young ladies that no matter what... don't allow anyone to get you into a vehicle and take you to another location. I just can't picture Holly complying without restraints in the vehicle unless it was someone she knew and thought she could talk her way out of it.

 

[cluciano63]

I hope the word is out for all these young ladies that no matter what... don't allow anyone to get you into a vehicle and take you to another location. I just can't picture Holly complying without restraints in the vehicle unless it was someone she knew and thought she could talk her way out of it.

What if he told her he was taking her to the hospital to tend to her injury? That could explain her going with him, seemingly willingly.

 

[Plumeria5]

What if he told her he was taking her to the hospital to tend to her injury? That could explain her going with him, seemingly willingly.

I suppose that is possible if she knew the person. Otherwise I think she would say, "I'll pass. My brother is home and he can drive me." Clint says she was walking so it didn't seem to be a life-threatening injury at that point.