TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #31

[Eileen730]

My opinions only, no facts here:

Though I have heard both stories (brother visiting vs. brother home most of the time), I tend to agree with you when the sum of all reports is considered. This is interesting, since if the perpetrator was familiar with the family schedule and waiting nearby, it would be quite bold to kidnap Holly while another family member is unaccounted for (had not left the house for work/school yet).

I believe Clint lives at home.

he was not supposed to be home that morning tho! says Karen!

 

[OldSteve]

I believe Clint lives at home.

he was not supposed to be home that morning tho! says Karen!

I don't remember hearing that Clint was not supposed to be home... did I miss that in one of the later interviews where more info was given?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

If ya go back and listen to clint talk one thing that he has said over and over again is he thought it was DREW. That is one thing that has not changed ..
Could this be true?

We dont really know where he was that morning and the grandothers property
where it was said he was hunting is only 3o or so mins away from Hollys.

There are many things we dont know.
But Karen said she talks to Drew every night! Why?

Why have we heard nothing from him or any of his family.

Food for thought and JMO

Well we have not heard a whole lot from anyone really. The thing is that IF it were Drew... big IF... WHY? What motive? What rationale? There is still the time line with the screams and 911 calls, blood, etc. You would think if her b/f did it he would know who was at home, there would not be some need for an assault, taking her away to the woods, etc. Just doesn't make sense that way (at least to me).

 

[Carla Lashelle]

BBM:

Would you mind explaining the source of this characterization of Holly- and any boyfriends she may have/had?
It is the complete opposite of everything I have read in MSM regarding Holly's relationships.

In addition to that not really matching with any legit accounts of Holly, it is known that Holly and Drew have been together for some time... so this alleged supposed mystery ex b/f would have to have been from many years back.

I do agree that this does not seem like the kind of crime a teenager or 20 year old would carry out.

 

[wishuwerehere]

Strange coincidence that within a 10 minute timeframe the eyewitness had at least three opportunities to see and/or confront camo man and Holly, however:

1) He first sees camo man and Holly kneeling down in garage, but only sees silhouettes. (Instead of confronting them, he calls his mom.)
2) He sees them again walking into the woods, but only sees the back of camo man’s head.
3) Thirdly, he arms himself with a gun at the behest of his mother and is ready to go into the woods after them, but instead stops to give the neighbor his attention.

I find it interesting to look at this case with the eyewitness testimony thrown out.

jmo

 

[wishuwerehere]

cjchoirboy:

Are you a local to Darden or Parsons, TN?

 

[nosyone]

Its a good thought, It would explain alot of things, but why have the lunch bag and not the money. I was watching the Long Island Serial Killer special on A&E tonight, and I thought it was interesting to hear the family's say that the police won't tell them anything also. I guess that this must be more common than we think.

I have heard about the lunch bag but haven't heard about a purse. Did she have one that she usually carried?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

:twocents:

I have heard about the lunch bag but haven't heard about a purse. Did she have one that she usually carried?

No mention of any purse or bag has ever been made by anyone. The only item that is confirmed that she was carrying was the lunch bag. It is assumed that she had her cell phone as Karen said she did not know if it had been found or not. Other than that, no description of anything else she may have had has ever been released.

 

[cluciano63]

I can't find a link any longer, but I do recall someone from LE saying something about keeping any eye out for a purse, books and other items...way back when. I remember because I was wondering how she was carrying so many things, if she did not have a knapsack or a book bag...JMO

 

[Plumeria5]

I can't find a link any longer, but I do recall someone from LE saying something about keeping any eye out for a purse, books and other items...way back when. I remember because I was wondering how she was carrying so many things, if she did not have a knapsack or a book bag...JMO

She surely had a purse, her lunch bag, and a jacket of some sort. Since she took her lunch, it doesn't appear she was going to be leaving school until after lunch and had more classes than just the one she had the test in. So, she probably did have books. It was cold and damp that morning so why flip-flops? She told her friend she had to put her shoes on. I wouldn't think she would refer to flip-flops as shoes. And she had a Coke. Maybe she was drinking it as she went to her car as she was tired and needed caffeine since she got up so early to study. Sounds like she would need a backpack. Very puzzling why only the lunch bag seems to have been found and why was it allowed to be taken?

 

[Mr. Noatak]

She surely had a purse, her lunch bag, and a jacket of some sort. Since she took her lunch, it doesn't appear she was going to be leaving school until after lunch and had more classes than just the one she had the test in. So, she probably did have books. It was cold and damp that morning so why flip-flops? She told her friend she had to put her shoes on. I wouldn't think she would refer to flip-flops as shoes. And she had a Coke. Maybe she was drinking it as she went to her car as she was tired and needed caffeine since she got up so early to study. Sounds like she would need a backpack. Very puzzling why only the lunch bag seems to have been found and why was it allowed to be taken?

My opinions only, no facts here:

I agree about the bag conundrum. Why would the perpetrator also kidnap Holly's lunch bag? And if the bag is so important that it must be taken along, why dump it later? Unwieldy things like her purse and bag would have been discarded right off. Either in the garage, lawn, or nearby woods.

I know that in many, many criminal cases the victim's purse, cell phone, etc. are found miles away. But these cases typically involve a snatch and grab from street-side or a carjacking. Not a ten minute conversation (and possible assault) and then a slow walk into the woods.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Well again about why the lunch bag was taken... it seems probably that 1) the lunch bag was in a larger bag that Holly had slung over her shoulder... so the bag went with her when she walked away or 2) the bag itself had a shoulder strap. Either way seems logical and probable.

I have seen no direct quote from Holly about wearing shoes of flip flops. The original description said white sneakers or tennis shoes but at some point a month or two into the search it just changed to flip flops. I find flip flops rather odd given the weather for that day... cold and rainy, although I wear them here in Florida quite often in various weather.

 

[CocoChanel]

Strange coincidence that within a 10 minute timeframe the eyewitness had at least three opportunities to see and/or confront camo man and Holly, however:

1) He first sees camo man and Holly kneeling down in garage, but only sees silhouettes. (Instead of confronting them, he calls his mom.)
2) He sees them again walking into the woods, but only sees the back of camo man’s head.
3) Thirdly, he arms himself with a gun at the behest of his mother and is ready to go into the woods after them, but instead stops to give the neighbor his attention.

I find it interesting to look at this case with the eyewitness testimony thrown out.

jmo

BBM
I like this suggestion. Put aside the things that don't make sense to us and look at this from a changed perspective. Added to the perplexing things I will try to discard is that the eyewitness to the crime is not the one who called 911.

KB made an immediate decision to call 911 from some distance away. She had knowledge that this was an emergency situation. I believe she certainly has disclosed this knowledge to LE, but I don't believe we have been told what that knowledge is, or how it became known to her. I suspect it perhaps came in the flurry of calls and texts that morning PRIOR to the call to 911.

My beliefs and thoughts are MY OPINION ONLY based on the facts that make sense to me from that morning, minus the eyewitness account.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I had not seen any mention of this but the body of Gail Palmgren, also missing in TN was found after a seven month search.

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/16200033/remains-from-signal-mountain-confirmed

I know some people here speculated her disappearance could be linked to Holly's but it seems she died in a jeep wreck, as her body was found in her wrecked vehicle off the side of a road.

 

[Plumeria5]

I had not seen any mention of this but the body of Gail Palmgren, also missing in TN was found after a seven month search.

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/16200033/remains-from-signal-mountain-confirmed

I know some people here speculated her disappearance could be linked to Holly's but it seems she died in a jeep wreck, as her body was found in her wrecked vehicle off the side of a road.

Thanks for the article. Poor lady. Now it appears there is a controversy over where the $2000 reward money should go.
http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/16202545/controversy-over-palmgren-reward-fund

 

[Hippy Chick]

I have read everything I can find about this case and have followed here since the abduction, I also saw the JVM interview and this is my take. Holly was a beautiful girl and well known in this community. I think this is a local that wanted her and she had probably rebuffed him or he had never had the nerve to outright ask her, if he had been caught there the guise of turkey hunting would have got him off the hook for trespassing. When she saw him it startled her she dropped her soda the "lunch purse" not sure wht that exatly is but maybe like a tote maybe that she could carry her books, lunch, phone, wallet, etc in was either slung on her shoulder or on like a back pack(hope that makes sence). She probably spoke with him trying to get rid of him, hence the voices that clint heard.He probably had a shot gun (again the guise of turkey hunting) and took her at that time by force, raped and unfortantly killed her. I think the perp thought Holly was home alone thinking parents gone to work, Clint to school or turkey hunting. I also think Clint saw more than he can say and told his mother on the phone the reason KB was immediatley aware something was wrong. As I have said I live in Missouri in a community similar to this one and people out turkey hunting are not given a 2nd thought to and alot of hillbilly (redneck) types would lust after a beautiful young girl like this and think they could go unnoticied enough to take her and that is exactly what has happened. IMO Also the ? of flip flops vs shoes my daughter wears flip flops as soon as she can in the spring so that dosen't strike me as unusual just kinda a young girl thing...

 

[Plumeria5]

Whether she was wearing shoes or flip flops isn't that significant I guess, but it seems that flip flops would have been hard to keep on in a struggle or walking through the brush and might have been recovered somewhere.

Bringing up the fact about Clint being home makes me wonder. Was Holly's abductor so close to the family that he knew Drew was going turkey hunting and originally maybe Clint was to go too but for some reason changed his plans. Thus when the abductor saw Clint's car he thought that Drew had picked up Clint and that he wasn't home, leaving Holly all alone at the house.

 

[Chili Fries]

Whether she was wearing shoes or flip flops isn't that significant I guess, but it seems that flip flops would have been hard to keep on in a struggle or walking through the brush and might have been recovered somewhere.

Bringing up the fact about Clint being home makes me wonder. Was Holly's abductor so close to the family that he knew Drew was going turkey hunting and originally maybe Clint was to go too but for some reason changed his plans. Thus when the abductor saw Clint's car he thought that Drew had picked up Clint and that he wasn't home, leaving Holly all alone at the house.

Good point about the car. I had thought that he is someone who works with Clint, because I believe Clint was supposed to be at work that morning.

Great summary by Hippy Chick. I think it could very well be that he was someone who noticed her in that way without her realizing it.

 

[nosyone]

The only thing that I know about this case is that I don't know what in the heck happened! There are so many things that bother me! One major thing that puzzles me is KB's reaction of immediate terror when she got the call. I feel like she had an idea that there was impending danger, just a gut feeling I have. I don't know whether I want her to still be alive so badly that I imagine a gut feeling that she is, or whether it is truly a gut feeling, but I do think she is still alive. Most importantly, I want this case to be solved for her, her family and all the people who have been interested in her and prayed for her, all deserve it.

 

[OldSteve]

The only thing that I know about this case is that I don't know what in the heck happened! There are so many things that bother me! One major thing that puzzles me is KB's reaction of immediate terror when she got the call. I feel like she had an idea that there was impending danger, just a gut feeling I have. I don't know whether I want her to still be alive so badly that I imagine a gut feeling that she is, or whether it is truly a gut feeling, but I do think she is still alive. Most importantly, I want this case to be solved for her, her family and all the people who have been interested in her and prayed for her, all deserve it.

Well said! Like you, I agree that "The only thing that I know about this case is that I don't know what in the heck happened!" - and I'm sure that goes for the rest of us. Just hope, it doesn't go for LE as well.