TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #31

[R.U.Kidding!]

Clu......i see it a bit differently. If its a local, and LE is still on the case, this persons timeframe for thaf morning can be disputed eventually by an interview with another. I hope anyway....

...or the perp has an alibi for that timeline she was taken. Might have even been part of the search effort. Although if this were the case , the family would have provided the alibi, and LE is trying to break that alibi or find other evidence of involvement. Maybe?

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I think LE and Dana made reference to it being "someone in the community" at the beginning of this. My opinion has always been someone with a powerful family is being protected by that family.

Can't help but think it had to be someone , who if seen, would not cause alarm. I mean it was in broad daylight and hunting season. From 7:30 (scream heard) to 7:55 (Clint witnesses them going into woods)--that's 20 minutes to be hanging around . Who does that ? Regardless of what Clint says he saw, 20 minutes for an abduction is very curious, don't you think?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

We need to get some clarification on what this garage vs. carport thing is.
So, if the former garage has been turned into a den/family room or extra bedroom, then please explain why Clint would have first thought it was Drew bringing a dead and bleeding turkey to show Holly. NOBODY would bring something like that into another woman's house unless they had a death wish. It makes much more sense to believe that all this took place in the carport, rather than INSIDE the house.
In looking at arial views of the property, there looks to be a smaller stand-alone carport further back but the main carport is attached to the house, in the area that was possibly the former garage. It is closed in on two, possibly three sides and could very well be called a garage to distinguish between the two. OR he could have just misspoke, if the remodeling took place in the recent past.
But for the life of me, I cannot figure out why anyone would think the perp was ever inside the house, based on ONE misspoken statement, yet discount everything else Clint has said. No disrespect intended but I don't understand this reasoning at all.

No one has ever said the enclosed garage was a den, family room or living room. Its just that... an enclosed GARAGE. Perhaps they have washing machines and a dryer in there? who knows. But they do not use it to park cars in. The front doors are blocked off and that is obvious from photos of the front, side and back of the house. You can't get a car into the garage.

It seems Holly exited the house either through a door in the back of the garage or back of the house by the car port. Again there are photos of this area, albeit not the best. This isnt made up stuff... go back and look at the pictures of the house. The shed in the back (perhaps where they keep an ATV or mower) is not the garage and not the carport

Clint in his own words said the suspect and Holly were IN THE GARAGE and that the GARAGE was attached to the house (indicating it was not some out building removed from the house). he also said that he thought they had a turkey, etc. and that the blood came from the turkey. Again, this is what Clint said on live TV. So its not like anyone is making up those details.

 

[OldSteve]

...or the perp has an alibi for that timeline she was taken. Might have even been part of the search effort. Although if this were the case , the family would have provided the alibi, and LE is trying to break that alibi or find other evidence of involvement. Maybe?

Glad to see you bring this up as it is along the line of something I mentioned way back many thread ago; namely in a number of crime shows I've seen LE actually believe alibis supported by family/friends of the suspect.

 

[cluciano63]

If the perp is a local man, and he has been seen out and about in his regular places and at his home since last April 13, regardless of his alibi for those few hours in the morning, I do not see how Holly could be alive and "stashed" someplace. Even if LE has an idea that this person (if suspected) has a false alibi or no alibi, there is not much they could do. I doubt very much this person will return to the scene at this late date, if he killed Holly; that is something serial killers sometimes do, but IMO not all that often if someone has killed in anger/frustration/etc.. and had to dispose of the victim in haste. In this scenario, Holly, like countless others, will have to be found by chance, if at all. JMO

 

[MizStery]

Holly was focused on getting to her test. Perhaps when she encountered the perp she screamed in surprise. The perp slaps her causing a cut. Holly falls to her knees. The perp get down on his knees tells her if she values her life to leave with him or he will get really rough. He helps her stand up and they walk toward the woods. Holly thinks by cooperating she may see someone and be able to call for help.

I do not think with that exam at 8AM a ruse would not have worked to get her in the woods.

I know I have probably posted this before....I am repeating myself. :back:

 

[wishuwerehere]

Holly was focused on getting to her test. Perhaps when she encountered the perp she screamed in surprise. The perp slaps her causing a cut. Holly falls to her knees. The perp get down on his knees tells her if she values her life to leave with him or he will get really rough. He helps her stand up and they walk toward the woods. Holly thinks by cooperating she may see someone and be able to call for help.

I do not think with that exam at 8AM a ruse would not have worked to get her in the woods.

I know I have probably posted this before....I am repeating myself. :back:

BBM - Welcome to the Holly Bobo thread. :banghead:

 

[wishuwerehere]

I think LE and Dana made reference to it being "someone in the community" at the beginning of this. My opinion has always been someone with a powerful family is being protected by that family.

Can't help but think it had to be someone , who if seen, would not cause alarm. I mean it was in broad daylight and hunting season. From 7:30 (scream heard) to 7:55 (Clint witnesses them going into woods)--that's 20 minutes to be hanging around . Who does that ? Regardless of what Clint says he saw, 20 minutes for an abduction is very curious, don't you think?

I don't think the family has to be "powerful" per se. Just close knit.

BBM - I have asked myself that question a thousand times.

jmo

 

[wishuwerehere]

Reminds me of when my mom was in the hospital and nurse in charge said her artery tests were all okay, no need to worry. We told all the family...
Next day, when we actually spoke to head cardiac doc he told us
they were all blocked....
I know I'm comparing apples to oranges in bringing this up, but still, I'm skeptical until LE goes on record saying what the blood is.

Old Steve, this is a good analogy. Any idea why LE would not be inclined to confirm the blood being Holly's, one way or another?

When should we look forward to another update from LE? (I don't expect you to answer that one.)

jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

If the perp is a local man, and he has been seen out and about in his regular places and at his home since last April 13, regardless of his alibi for those few hours in the morning, I do not see how Holly could be alive and "stashed" someplace. Even if LE has an idea that this person (if suspected) has a false alibi or no alibi, there is not much they could do. I doubt very much this person will return to the scene at this late date, if he killed Holly; that is something serial killers sometimes do, but IMO not all that often if someone has killed in anger/frustration/etc.. and had to dispose of the victim in haste. In this scenario, Holly, like countless others, will have to be found by chance, if at all. JMO

Oh I agree, Clu. Sadly I fear Holly is no longer alive. This is what I think makes this such a tough case to break. There has been so much time that has gone by, it would be hard to believe she is being held someplace by someone local. If--and this is MOO, the family of this man is covering for him, we can only hope Holly is recovered and their is a forensic link , or he screws up again. The latter being highly probable, and maybe this time family won't be able to protect him.

as WishYouWereHere has mentioned, they do not have to be "powerful" just very close, and they protect their own.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Glad to see you bring this up as it is along the line of something I mentioned way back many thread ago; namely in a number of crime shows I've seen LE actually believe alibis supported by family/friends of the suspect.

Absolutely! How does that happen???

 

[nosyone]

I am wondering if enough time goes by with no , with no clues, no arrest, no body (praying there isn't one), if LE will release the 911 tapes and any pertinent information so the public can help. Just wishing!

 

[cluciano63]

I am wondering if enough time goes by with no , with no clues, no arrest, no body (praying there isn't one), if LE will release the 911 tapes and any pertinent information so the public can help. Just wishing!

Well what on earth would be enough time? It will be a year before long...good grief, LE...JMO

 

[shefner]

I think we all admit that Holly is most likely deceased. It would indeed be a miracle if she is living. That is our hope and prayer....just not very likely, I must say.

 

[SUNchips]

I think we all admit that Holly is most likely deceased. It would indeed be a miracle if she is living. That is our hope and prayer....just not very likely, I must say.

I don't know...out of all the cases I follow here on WS Holly is one of the only ones, if not the only one still missing that I truly feel is still alive.
It may be a gut feeling or intuition on my part, but I really feel like she may be alive. If she isn't, I don't think she was killed right away.

IMO.

 

[MizStery]

Has their religion been discussed? I have always been puzzled by CB saying that the perp and HB knelt in the garage. Now,to you and I this seems odd but CB seemed to convey this was not peculiar ....at least to him.

There is always the chance of a outwardly pious(unbalanced)person in the community taking HB. The idea of this person being of impeachable character or the possibility they have the unshakable support of the community shielding them from being a suspect.

Or this perp knew something that might prevent HB from getting her license in nursing.(i.e. drug use) So she is given a choice of going with him or having her secret outed.

As has been discussed whoever abducted Holly is either under the radar of suspicion or is being shielded because of ties to illegal activity or misguided friends & family. :frown: MOO

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Has their religion been discussed? I have always been puzzled by CB saying that the perp and HB knelt in the garage. Now,to you and I this seems odd but CB seemed to convey this was not peculiar ....at least to him.

There is always the chance of a outwardly pious(unbalanced)person in the community taking HB. The idea of this person being of impeachable character or the possibility they have the unshakable support of the community shielding them from being a suspect.

Or this perp knew something that might prevent HB from getting her license in nursing.(i.e. drug use) So she is given a choice of going with him or having her secret outed.

As has been discussed whoever abducted Holly is either under the radar of suspicion or is being shielded because of ties to illegal activity or misguided friends & family. :frown: MOO

Clint said he thought they were kneeling over a Turkey that "Drew" had shot. Of course there was no turkey and it was not Drew and when Clint went into the garage later he found the blood at that location.

Actually the community does support the Bobos and they had a special New Years Eve church service in her memory. So I do not think as a whole the community is hiding or supporting the suspect, although someone somewhere may have some ideas as to who did it.

 

[CocoChanel]

I don't know...out of all the cases I follow here on WS Holly is one of the only ones, if not the only one still missing that I truly feel is still alive.
It may be a gut feeling or intuition on my part, but I really feel like she may be alive. If she isn't, I don't think she was killed right away.

IMO.

BBM
I have that same gut feeling, in spite of the many things many of you all can cite as indications my gut is wrong. I just lean towards this being one of those highly unusual and rare cases that everything we were told (and NOT told) added together points to something very surprising, though it may be several years before it all comes to light.

 

[mountainguy777]

I think holly is deceased...unfortunately. LE has gone about this from the first week as if its a recovery situation. No urgency, or info released to get any sort of public help.

The only thing strange about this case is lack of facts. It all might make perfect sense, and not seem so strange if we knew something....anything.

 

[bznbear]

Clint would be comfortable with a gun to hunt, but to be on the ready to "shoot" someone who may have a gun on his sister? I mean wouldn't there have to be "responsible evaluation" of the entire situation? Surely someone "should" recognize Clint could have also been killed, along with his sister. Seems "mom" may have just been panicked and not thinking clearly.

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Yeah, I totally get what you're saying, and I was just teasing you. People really are serious about gun ownership here, but the general attitude is: if the context indicates that someone is breaking into your apartment/home, then shoot first, ask questions later. If someone's climbing in my window at 3am (and I live alone), if I shoot the person, I probably won't be prosecuted as long as I'm the lawful owner of the gun. There was one case in which a very drunk man broke into his neighbor's house in the middle of the night by mistake and was killed by the neighbor. The neighbor was not charged.

I definitely agree with you about the panic. I've always thought that her mom seemed to be responding with almost psychic response about the situation, and her prompting him to get a gun was strange given the circumstances. I think that, even in Texas, that would not have been a normal response. I've thought from the get-go that something may have happened before the kidnapping that put the family on edge, maybe an ex-boyfriend threatened her, or she received some kind of creepy email from an unwanted suitor, etc.

I've pretty much stuck by what I think happened: a guy she knew through friends liked her and wanted to date her, came to her house to confront her, tried to talk to her, didn't like her response, decided to kidnap her. I think it was semi-planned as a Plan B, but not completely thought out beforehand.

Good day, long time lurker, first tie poster.

Good thoughts on Karen's reaction to Clint's call that morning.

I was thinking maybe Karen reacted that way because she knew Holly had been threatened by someone in the recent past, and she immediately thought of this person.:newhere: